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post 1631789543 02-19-2021, 04:09 AM
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How come your real-life strength remains the same after hitting the gym?

Cliffs at the end.

Going to the gym doesn’t actually make you STRONGER. Stronger being defined as your ADAPTABLE capacity to apply a force against another force or stationary object.

When I wrestle or try to defend myself after going to the gym, I’m still just the same as I was before.

Lifting shopping bags doesn’t feel easier, everyday activities feel just as difficult.

Even when I test my strength against people, I’m disappointed. A girl pressed her fist against mine and pushed it against my fist to see who was stronger. As I pushed my fist against hers, I could barely move it.

Yeah, I’m not big or anything. But I shouldn’t need to be huge to beat a girl who’s never trained in a test of functional strength.

Also, one time at work, this guy who liked picking on people who seem easy to intimidate, kept picking on me. He’d grab my wrist and I wouldn’t be able to recover my arm. He’d hold it there for a while and eventually shove me to the point where I’d take a few steps to gain balance. I tried to shove him back and he barely moved. His shoulders felt hard and his body was stable. He has never been to the gym (he told me) and is skinny and short.

Cliffs: my real life strength (functional strength) is the same after lifting heavy for 3 years.
post 1631789613 02-19-2021, 04:11 AM
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after 10 years of consistent training

i would crush myself 10 years younger


but hypothetical if you just go from benching 135 to 225, yeh not gonna make much difference
post 1631789793 02-19-2021, 04:17 AM
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I think grip strength is what is mostly improved
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strength is specific.
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Originally Posted By andyray
after 10 years of consistent training

i would crush myself 10 years younger


but hypothetical if you just go from benching 135 to 225, yeh not gonna make much difference
I don’t see why it wouldn’t...

I need to train for 10 years to be stronger than my past self? Das tuff...
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post 1631790243 02-19-2021, 04:33 AM
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That feel when you squat 4 and deadlift 5 plates, but your non lifting friends have just as much "functional" strength.
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Originally Posted By TrickHenry
strength is specific.
^^ This

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post 1631790353 02-19-2021, 04:40 AM
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gym strength is cope

its not really applicable outside of the gym

it doesnt improve your functional strength

guys that are strong naturally will be strong naturally weather they go to gym or not
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Gym strength is not real world strength, simple as that? Hard pill to swallow for liftmaxxxers
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The fuk? An easy example i can think of is your grocery thing

I easily notice it there. Can feel my biceps as i load up

I agree with you there are times where i may not notice it, but i think i typically do

Id say bench is prob least functional as you prob use "push" the least in real life.

Youll def. Feel legs and i could even see certain jobs for pull. But push prolly comes up very infrequently unless youre a football lineman
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Testosterone builds slow twitch muscles. Depending on how you lift if you do 8-10 reps say, as your muscle grows, you're adding type 1 while the muscle fibers expand. If you do max strength / low reps, that causes DHT to activate the epidermal growth factor receptor and mapk pathway, which then makes type 2 (stronger fast twitch but low oxidative, denser and quick to deplete of energy).



edit This graph I think mixes up 2a with type 1, but I think you get the idea

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.c...ol.2009.182162
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Originally Posted By SnipeItLikePro
I don’t see why it wouldn’t...

I need to train for 10 years to be stronger than my past self? Das tuff...
getting strong at bench press really just makes you strong at bench press

even if you've only been doing barbell for a year and switch to dumbells i guarantee you'll be weak as fuk on dumbbells

and that's doing the same movement let alone doing a completely different exercise


BUT

once you build a foundation over time you will gain 'functional strength' as well, 3-4 years of consistent heavy compound lifts will do this
post 1631791913 02-19-2021, 05:28 AM
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It does make a difference as long as you're not just fukking around in the gym.

Gaining bodyweight will also make a difference to your real world strength

Being genetically strong and/or being shaped by your environment to be physically strong is king though
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post 1631791923 02-19-2021, 05:29 AM
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Makes a big difference to me.
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What about the role of natural explosive power?

I believe that you can stop training and still have a certain amount of power. It's called fast-twitch muscle fibers, no? They are responsible for ANY heavy lifting or forceful movement in daily life. Then once you start lifting, you'll use that explosiveness to lift heavier and the rate at which you develop more strength and development will be faster than others with predominantly slow-twitch fibers. I think some people underestimate the value/role fast-twitch fibers play in anything that requires force.
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you sound like a weak pussy OP. maybe work harder in the gym?
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Originally Posted By etet1919
What about the role of natural explosive power?

I believe that you can stop training and still have a certain amount of power. It's called fast-twitch muscle fibers, no? They are responsible for ANY heavy lifting or forceful movement in daily life. Then once you start lifting, you'll use that explosiveness to lift heavier and the rate at which you develop more strength and development will be faster than others with predominantly slow-twitch fibers. I think some people underestimate the value/role fast-twitch fibers play in anything that requires force.
Yeah, I was just looking this up. Fast twitch fibres help with explosiveness and strength. I guess that matters more than how much you can lift.
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Originally Posted By TrickHenry
strength is specific.
This.

I move beer kegs all day and being able to lift a lot in the gym hasn’t made it any “easier”.
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Originally Posted By SnipeItLikePro
Cliffs at the end.

Going to the gym doesn’t actually make you STRONGER. Stronger being defined as your ADAPTABLE capacity to apply a force against another force or stationary object.

When I wrestle or try to defend myself after going to the gym, I’m still just the same as I was before.

Lifting shopping bags doesn’t feel easier, everyday activities feel just as difficult.

Even when I test my strength against people, I’m disappointed. A girl pressed her fist against mine and pushed it against my fist to see who was stronger. As I pushed my fist against hers, I could barely move it.

Yeah, I’m not big or anything. But I shouldn’t need to be huge to beat a girl who’s never trained in a test of functional strength.

Also, one time at work, this guy who liked picking on people who seem easy to intimidate, kept picking on me. He’d grab my wrist and I wouldn’t be able to recover my arm. He’d hold it there for a while and eventually shove me to the point where I’d take a few steps to gain balance. I tried to shove him back and he barely moved. His shoulders felt hard and his body was stable. He has never been to the gym (he told me) and is skinny and short.

Cliffs: my real life strength (functional strength) is the same after lifting heavy for 3 years.
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post 1631795023 02-19-2021, 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted By propreffered7
The fuk? An easy example i can think of is your grocery thing

I easily notice it there. Can feel my biceps as i load up

I agree with you there are times where i may not notice it, but i think i typically do

Id say bench is prob least functional as you prob use "push" the least in real life.

Youll def. Feel legs and i could even see certain jobs for pull. But push prolly comes up very infrequently unless youre a football lineman
Yeah you’ll feel your biceps if you load up like it’s a bicep curl. But what if you’re carrying your grocery bag with your arm full extended down? It FEELS heavy still. The gym does affect how heavy **** feels. Nor how easily you can carry it (using a non gym motion/position).

I basically want to be able to defend myself and fend off people. I want to be able to stop getting strangled and pushed around.

I think I might just learn boxing.
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Originally Posted By Lefticle
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Boy. I’m certain I have more T than you. Strength and T isn’t an absolute correlation.
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Originally Posted By BeginnerGainz
This.

I move beer kegs all day and being able to lift a lot in the gym hasn’t made it any “easier”.
Yeah man. I think this is the facts. I’ll try to develop strength by actually performing the task I want to be good at.
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Yes I’m sure Eddie Hall struggles with shopping bags.

This thread is retarded. Strength is strength.
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Because unless you're doing moderate heavy compound lifts for several years to build an foundation...doing reverse lunge curls doesn't build a solid strength base.

95% of what people do in the gym has zero carryover into real world strength.
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Who cares? I don’t lift to lift grocery bags easier I lift so I look cute naked
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Lifting heavy doesn't make you functionally strong, bodybuilding doesn't make you functionally strong.

The things that make you functionally strong are weird exercises that engage your support muscles. Such as club swinging, rotating a plate around your head, one leg squatting type exercises, band exercises, wrist and forearm exercises.... higher reps is more important than heavy and low.

Grip, Foot and core strength are most important for strength.
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It absolutely does. Picking up/pushing/pulling objects is significantly easier. Maybe you have been doing extremely bitch exercises that don't help your whole body.
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Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy
Lifting heavy doesn't make you functionally strong, bodybuilding doesn't make you functionally strong.

The things that make you functionally strong are weird exercises that engage your support muscles. Such as club swinging, rotating a plate around your head, one leg squatting type exercises, band exercises, wrist and forearm exercises.... higher reps is more important than heavy and low.

Grip, Foot and core strength are most important for strength.
I think so man. Except, I thought low reps was better for strength.
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So I think most real world strength involves core, stability, grip strength, neck training, and a posterior chain. Which these areas are largely ignored by many guys. Most guys don't do keg/sandbag carries, farmers walks, yokes, loading, or grip work. I've been a firm believer in this type of training for awhile, since my results in specific exercises like squat and deadlift have exploded the past two years I have incorporated this type of training. (Also, this training is very easy to do during quarantine.)
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