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post 1632564353 02-28-2021, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
you should pursue your Juris Doctor and make it your goal to prosecute speeders for murder. Report back.
Where did I say speeding is murder?
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post 1632564423 02-28-2021, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted By topperstyle⏩
So you think he drove the car purposefully into the car, right?
Yes, of course.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Agree, but the problem is people whothinkthey are able to speed safely and are wrong.
Yes, that's the problem. Most people who speed are actually responsible i.e. they evaluate their skills and situation adequately (at least in Europe, can't speak for USA as I have never been there), but unfortunately there is always a few of those who don't and ruin things for everyone.
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post 1632564543 02-28-2021, 08:43 AM
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When and where.

There were people everywhere, that was asking for serious sh!t to go down.

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post 1632564693 02-28-2021, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
No, I did not. I understood fully what you were saying, and it doesn't make sense. Knives are not made with the intent to kill either (using your logic). So if a guy grabs a knife and starts stabbing random people he shouldn't be charged with murder?

Also, cars can be used to kill (see: Nice terrorist attack or Santa Monica terrorist attack back in 2003ish).


Because you are taking this very personally. Acting very guilty.
It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.

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post 1632564783 02-28-2021, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.
Let me ask you this:

You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
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post 1632564923 02-28-2021, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
You are still retarded. I literally said on first page that driving that fast on such a busy road is not ok (unless left line is clear which is when crash shouldn't happen even if you drive fast. If someone merges from right line to left and causes crash they are at fault as they didn't check mirrors and evaluate situation). What I'm trying to say you can drive very fast very safely in specific situations if you have adequate skill and situational awareness.
no ****, you can drive 200 mph if you have the skill and no one is on the road.

u are too retarded to realize that speed is an factor for accidents, even when you are not at fault.

go drive 120+mph on the reg daily in the US. I just hope you crash into a wall and not another car.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
It’s been said before man. Intent. You are asserting his intention.

The law doesn’t agree with you, people ITT don’t agree with you, your boyfriend doesn’t agree with you.
Intent and chance causing death is what matters. What law says is not really an argument though as there have been plenty of examples where laws were morally wrong (i.e. Slavery in USA, nazism and genocide in Nazi Germany, etc.).
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post 1632564953 02-28-2021, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Let me ask you this:

You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Let me ask you this:

You said this earlier: "Not comparable to a car or how we use cars at all."

So how do we use cars? Explain what you meant by that statement.
We don't arm soldiers with Cars to "protect our country"

We don't arm police with Cars in order to "protect the common good"

People don't purchase cars for "home defense"

The primary utility of a car is transportation. This is not a difficult concept to grasp.
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Originally Posted By Ironmanlet⏩
I have spent too much time trying to reason with an unreasonable person already.
Answer the question. What is the intent of using a car? I have been answering all your questions/arguments in good faith, so answer my question.
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Originally Posted By littlecaesars59⏩
no ****, you can drive 200 mph if you have the skill and no one is on the road.

u are too retarded to realize that speed is an factor for accidents, even when you are not at fault.

go drive 120+mph on the reg daily in the US. I just hope you crash into a wall and not another car.
I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
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post 1632565163 02-28-2021, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
lol my dad was stationed in Germany and when he came back to the U.S. he got like 20 speeding tickets because he was so used to the Auto Bahn.

I agree with you - we should at least at the minimum up the speed limit from 65 MPH to 85 MPH on some free/highways like the I-5 in California.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
I don't live in USA. Maybe most of you have spatial awareness and coordination of jason genova making speeding there really dangerous, but as I said previously, Germany has less incidents per mile driven despite fukton of dudes doing 150 mph as a part of their daily commute.
that is the autobahn u stupid fk.

article is in the US. we've been talking in MPH.

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Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
We don't arm police with Cars in order to "protect the common good"
TIL police don't use cars. Actually just kidding, they do:

Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
The primary utility of a car is transportation. .
It's not to thrill ride at 140 MPH+ on a busy street? So you agree with me.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
There are times when you can do 140+ mph safely. Obviously doing that in a busy street like in a video is not one of such cases, but I hate when people say speeding is reckless and should be punished heavily no matters the situation. I don't endanger anyone if I go for a fast drive on empty curvy roads at 4am and slow down to safe speed in time if I see someone oncoming.
For the record, I am a car guy myself but what you are posting here is completely ridiculous. Going 140 mph on any public road is purely reckless. How do you know the road is empty? If you have spotters ahead then possibly. At 4 am in the dark going 140 mph you think you can "slow down in time" on a curvy road when you see something either in the way, coming towards you, or merging into your lane? On top of that, if your car has an issue it can be lights out for you and anyone around you.

Take it to the track. Sheesh.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Answer the question. What is the intent of using a car? I have been answering all your questions/arguments in good faith, so answer my question.
Here is the basic premise you miss and how you continually misrepresent the situaion

1. This is a, as another user described it "ghetto cars and coffee", somewhat controlled in a somewhat closed off street
2. The driver had told participants prior to this "i'm going to be doing a flyby" driving a a high rate of speed
3. The driver did this, but just ran out of skill

Murder, as other users have described it, required intent to kill. The problem with your comparison to the guy shooting is that obviously there's a single outcome of a guy shooting a gun in a crowded space at random, this is not the case in the incident above.

A better comparison would be that at a gun range in a semi-controlled setting someone fires a stray bullet and kills someone. This would probably end up with similar charges as this incident, because there's no intent to kill.
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Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
The problem with your comparison to the guy shooting is that obviously there's a single outcome of a guy shooting a gun in a crowded space at random, this is not the case in the incident above.
There's also an obvious single outcome of a guy driving 140 MPH+ on a busy street for thrills.

See the OP for more details.
Originally Posted By WildBill112⏩
A better comparison would be that at a gun range in a semi-controlled setting someone fires a stray bullet and kills someone. This would probably end up with similar charges as this incident, because there's no intent to kill.
LOL what? Not even close. A stray bullet would obviously be an accident. And the purpose of a gun range IS TO SHOOT A GUN. The purpose of a freeway/highway IS NOT TO THRILL RIDE AT 140 MPH+.

Wow.

A better comparison would be if you're at a gun range, and then you take the gun, cover your eyes, and start shooting randomly outside of the permitted target zones. If you kill 3 people, that's murder.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
This lol. Per million miles driven no-limit autobahn has less accidents, injuries and fatalities than US highway. There's a fukton of guys who just drive 150+ mph every day to their work and back home and never get in accident.
I have driven on the autobahn. First off, the roads there are much much better. Its illegal to pass on the right on the autobahn. People are expecting HIGH SPEED on those roads.

BRB cruising down the highway with my family in the US at 70 and someone DB passes me at 150+ mph on the right = the same as driving on the autobahn. GTFO.......
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Can we take a minute and just appreciate how safe these pony cars are

140mph and the driver nearly walked away.
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There are accidents, even if someone is a bit careless, or especailly just stupid.. That's one thing. What this guy did, I don't see how he imagined it coming out. Thinking he was going to do the ultimate blowby I don't know, but now people are hurt or killed.

Back in the day, I went to car meets. Even did some back road street racing, but stopped going because of *******s like this that did risky things that could have gone badly. Gladly, they never got that bad. We had one guy wreck his car pretty bad, but nobody was hurt.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
So if a guy grabs a knife and starts stabbing random people he shouldn't be charged with murder?
That would be murder if they died, they are purposely using the knife in such a way to effect the death of a person. Which classification is up to the law to decide.

It's possible, but I doubt this person woke up in the morning and thought to himself that he would purposely drive his car into people to kill them. This driver was reckless and deserves to be punished for the death(s). But as far as we know, it was an accident made by bad decisions, not someone who intentionally wanted to murder people. You're can't change the definition of a word (intent) to suit your narrative. He'll be charged with murder, but there are different degrees of murder and I doubt intent will be involved.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
Ok you are retarded, it all makes sense now. I never said that driving 120+ mph makes you a good driver or vice versa. I'm saying there are plenty of people who can drive safer at 120+ mph than average person does at 40.
too many factors come up when going 120+ it is absurd yo say some are safer at 120+ than avg driver at 40. all it takes is a little nail or debris on the road and at 120+ thats a blowout. yea in wide open roads with clear visibility its no danger to others but on city roads/hwys its always foolish.
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Originally Posted By Slie⏩
It's possible, but I doubt this person woke up in the morning and thought to himself that he would purposely drive his car into people to kill them.
That would be easier to believe if he didn't drive 140 MPH+ for thrill seeking on a busy highway.
Originally Posted By Slie⏩
This driver was reckless and deserves to be punished for the death(s). But as far as we know, it was an accident made by bad decisions,
Driving 140 MPH+ for thrills is an accident? What, was he being brainwashed by the little Red Devil on his shoulder?

This was NOT an "accident."
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
If you're driving 140 MPH like this on a busy street, you are intending to kill.
I agree. Ignore the other guys who are saying intent and risky behavior are not the same thing. Both leads to one thing - bodily harm.

That's like saying I'm going to crash this plane with 100 people onboard without the intent to kill, gets me off the hook from intentional killing because I was ignorant from the laws of physics.

If you partake in dangerous actions, its the same thing as a set of actions to kill.

Fire off a gun in the direction of a crowd without the intent to kill = driving 140 miles into a crowd without the intent to kill.

The only difference between intent and non intent harm, is that bodily harm is always in the factor while intent isn't.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Driving 140 MPH+ for thrills is an accident? What, was he being brainwashed by the little Red Devil on his shoulder?

This was NOT an "accident."
Yeah this goes way beyond accident. People that enjoy cars hate people that take risks like this. Every moron that can't pick a time and place away from the rest of the world makes the rest of us look like reckless a$$holes.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I agree. Ignore the other guys who are saying intent and risky behavior are not the same thing.

That's like saying I'm going to crash this plane with 100 people onboard without the intent to kill, gets me off the hook from intentional killing because I was ignorant from the laws of physics.

If you partake in dangerous actions, its the same thing as an intent to kill.

Fire off a gun in the direction of a crowd without the intent to kill = driving 140 miles into a crowd without the intent to kill
No intention to kill, just throwing caution to the wind and getting caught up in the moment.

People like this are a disgrace to the car community, we hate guys like this.

There is a huge difference between 2 people on a highway by themselves doing a pull and doing 140 right by people standing on the side of the road. Personally I hate doing any more than like 30 by people, not 130.
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Originally Posted By tunafishha⏩
I agree. Ignore the other guys who are saying intent and risky behavior are not the same thing.

That's like saying I'm going to crash this plane with 100 people onboard without the intent to kill, gets me off the hook from intentional killing because I was ignorant from the laws of physics.

If you partake in dangerous actions, its the same thing as an intent to kill.

Fire off a gun in the direction of a crowd without the intent to kill = driving 140 miles into a crowd without the intent to kill.

The only difference between intent and non intent harm, is that bodily have is always in the factor. If there's harm, regardless of intent, you are guilty.
Not to mention in many states, if you participate in an armed robbery with someone, if that person kills the bank teller/security guard/anyone else, YOU also get charged with first degree murder even though you didn't "intend" to kill. It's like in Oklahoma a few years ago. 3 teens broke into some dude's house, so he shot and killed 2 of them. The third teen was charged with their murders as well as the robbery even though he didn't "wake up thinking 2 people were going to get killed."

There's a difference between going 10 MPH+ then swerving, and doing what the guy in the OP did.
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Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
It's not the same. Very few people who speed actually get in accidents where someone gets hurt. I literally know 40+ car guys who love to drive fast but none of them ever crashed in a way a innocent bystander was involved or someone got hurt/killed. You can actually speed safely if you can evaluate the situation (the guy in the video couldn't). It's one of a thousand who doesn't understand when it's relatively safe to speed and/or underestimates skill where chit like this actually happen. If I knew 40+ guys who shot at someone there would be a lot of deaths, it's not the same at all.
Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
There are times when you can do 140+ mph safely. Obviously doing that in a busy street like in a video is not one of such cases, but I hate when people say speeding is reckless and should be punished heavily no matters the situation. I don't endanger anyone if I go for a fast drive on empty curvy roads at 4am and slow down to safe speed in time if I see someone oncoming.
Originally Posted By 2Chad4You⏩
You are still retarded. I literally said on first page that driving that fast on such a busy road is not ok (unless left line is clear which is when crash shouldn't happen even if you drive fast. This is how they do it in germany and still have less crashes even with fuk ton of dudes doing 150+ mph daily. If someone merges from right line to left and causes crash they are at fault as they didn't check mirrors and evaluate situation.). What I'm trying to say you can drive very fast very safely in specific situations if you have adequate skill and situational awareness.
You're trying to defend the indefensible. The kind of person who regularly drives at 120+ mph 9/10 is not a responsible driver, and it's simply only a matter of time before such people get involved in a serious accident.
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don't feel bad for those people at all.. it's not like they were crossing the street minding their business.. They were on the side of a strip, somewhere they shouldn't of been" watching someone do something dangerous and illegal. nothing of value was lost that day, except maybe the car.
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