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post 1633029523 03-05-2021, 01:52 PM
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Pretty amazing turnaround today. 3 of my 4 largest holdings are mutual funds, so I won't know the final tally til they update later. But was sure nice to end the week on a pick-me-up in many areas.
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post 1633029663 03-05-2021, 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid⏩
Lolz. At one point a minute ago i was actually almost green.
I’m now slightly green at +$181 lmfao
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post 1633029913 03-05-2021, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted By thetrebel⏩
Hahaha holy smokes just went back a bit and I can’t believe you and some of the OGs are still here, nostalgia hitting me hard man. Spent so much time here and hitting the charts. Think I might hop back on.
i think you drew the "PLUG": chart for me way back when.....lol. should have held onto my shares.....
post 1633030053 03-05-2021, 01:57 PM
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Im gonna go ahead and grab some SPY puts, todays bounce back was insane.
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post 1633030103 03-05-2021, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted By thatsnarf⏩
i think you drew the "PLUG": chart for me way back when.....lol. should have held onto my shares.....
Hahah hell yeah that was me. Hell I think even remember the pattern it was breakout triangle. Good times.
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post 1633030283 03-05-2021, 01:59 PM
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Going long ZNGA at around avg cost 10. Sold some calls, really like it below $10. Tryna get a large position.


Bought pltr when it was around $10 and got my call assigned, trying to go long again soon. Looking to sell some puts on it, the premiums are so juicy
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post 1633030293 03-05-2021, 01:59 PM
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How do you guys think increased oil prices will affect airlines, cruiselines and large vehicle sales?

Some of these companies are carrying debt and negative cash flow.

I expect increased ticket prices and eventually decreasing volume.



I don't think this is over.

I still see many companies that are undeniable overvalued.

If you missed the low today, don't worry, pretty sure you will get another chance.



I think the stimulus will mark the start of the true run up.
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post 1633030413 03-05-2021, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted By PositiveCrew⏩
I think it's a better time to be a hedgie than ever before

with the Robinhood investors and 9M strong on WSB, the hedges can just infinitely create pump and dumps like GME, RKT, APHA, BB, AMC, UMWC, etc

Citadel gets the orders from robinhood, so they know exactly what is happening. post some of their own DD on WSB and watch the frenzy happen

I'd imagine they want to keep the newbies in the game
ok that makes sense
post 1633030543 03-05-2021, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
How do you guys think increased oil prices will affect airlines, cruiselines and large vehicle sales?

Some of these companies are carrying debt and negative cash flow.

I expect increased ticket prices and eventually decreasing volume.



I don't think this is over.

I still see many companies that are undeniable overvalued.

If you missed the low today, don't worry, pretty sure you will get another chance lol.
I think we are about to see a bunch chop. Market has been mooning and needs to cool down.
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post 1633030703 03-05-2021, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted By KingSWRV⏩
In theory...

If there was a legit full on true crash into a significant bear market that would be a turn off to the newbie 2021 Robinhooder masses just getting in and giving them a bad taste of the market (being impatient) and maybe they will want to quit the game in droves.

So do the big bois really hate the masses to the point where they would prefer to have a crash to get people away from their territory and scare us away.

Or on the other they could feed on us or maybe we aren’t significant enough?

What do you guys think based on reverse engineering the establishment
You’re over thinking it too much. The easy money for “the establishment” is scalping the pension funds, etc., not Joe Schmo with his $4k in Robinhood.

Crashes happen all the time. The markets are not actually a casino, nor are they truly rigged. Yes there are certain constructed advantages but that’s life.

So no, there is not some global conspiracy being orchestrated by the disjointed financial institutions keeping the markets from going which direction.
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
How do you guys think increased oil prices will affect airlines, cruiselines and large vehicle sales?

Some of these companies are carrying debt and negative cash flow.

I expect increased ticket prices and eventually decreasing volume.



I don't think this is over.

I still see many companies that are undeniable overvalued.

If you missed the low today, don't worry, pretty sure you will get another chance.



I think the stimulus will mark the start of the true run up.
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
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post 1633031823 03-05-2021, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
Agreed. Thinking of going in on a travel ETF or fund in the near future.
post 1633032273 03-05-2021, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
actually this. We had a vegas trip planned the summer of covid and it didn't happen, so we're looking to go ASAP.

EXPE stock might be the play... NCLH... FUN is Cedar Point in Ohio. Only air-line I would touch is Delta because I remember hearing about them having so much money that they gave out $1B in bonuses a few years in a row(before COVID).
post 1633032583 03-05-2021, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted By Bavaria⏩
If you're into podcasts there's one out of Vancouver by Michael Campbell called 'Money Talks'. He's a mixture of politics, and markets. More so towards the markets with how certain policies effect them. He has some real good guest speakers every episode; day trader, real-estate guy, commodities traders, very diverse.

They've been calling for next run on commodities for the last few months and I've been shuffling my portfolio to that direction.

1. Lots of those companies pay strong dividends
2. Relatively stable share price
3. Inflation hedge in my portfolio.
4. Stimulus spending in infrastructure goes hand in hand with copper, iron, fuel, etc.

Imperial has done significant cap ex reductions and leaning out. At $60 a barrel we are a cash flow machine right now.....however we are not running at max rates at the refinery and our jet fuel production is ~30% of what it used to be. This tells me this run-up is shaky and will come down.

I'm a bit biased towards them as I work there and have a boatload of shares lol
Will check it out man thanks, I'm constantly reading/watching but don't have any podcasts lined up

You're probably right, the fact that benchmark prices have recovered this much despite travel being so subdued is interesting from a few different angles. I had done some research into refinery operations last year -- margins also hinge on what you're producing out of each barrel of crude right? That's what I recall when the pandemic hit, that refiners were being impacted not just by the lack of overall demand but by the change in product ratios

Definitely been strongly considering rotating some of my funds out of producers and into either pipelines or refining, but the economics seem quite different


I also think there's a huge amount of pent up travel demand that will explode when things open up, and one can only imagine that producers/refiners won't be able to keep up in the short term when it happens
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
actually this. We had a vegas trip planned the summer of covid and it didn't happen, so we're looking to go ASAP.

EXPE stock might be the play... NCLH... FUN is Cedar Point in Ohio. Only air-line I would touch is Delta because I remember hearing about them having so much money that they gave out $1B in bonuses a few years in a row(before COVID).
But EXPE is already trading above pre-covid price...
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
which is why most of my portfolio is in travel/covid hit stocks
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post 1633033613 03-05-2021, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Will check it out man thanks, I'm constantly reading/watching but don't have any podcasts lined up

You're probably right, the fact that benchmark prices have recovered this much despite travel being so subdued is interesting from a few different angles. I had done some research into refinery operations last year -- margins also hinge on what you're producing out of each barrel of crude right? That's what I recall when the pandemic hit, that refiners were being impacted not just by the lack of overall demand but by the change in product ratios

Definitely been strongly considering rotating some of my funds out of producers and into either pipelines or refining, but the economics seem quite different


I also think there's a huge amount of pent up travel demand that will explode when things open up, and one can only imagine that producers/refiners won't be able to keep up in the short term when it happens
Unless that new strain hits hard and laughs at the vaccine? Travel is BS anyway who cares what plot of dirt your standing on?
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Originally Posted By DeputyDong5⏩
actually this. We had a vegas trip planned the summer of covid and it didn't happen, so we're looking to go ASAP.

EXPE stock might be the play... NCLH... FUN is Cedar Point in Ohio. Only air-line I would touch is Delta because I remember hearing about them having so much money that they gave out $1B in bonuses a few years in a row(before COVID).
As soon as things are back to "normal" where you don't have to wear a damn mask around everywhere and have to act like everything and everyone is radioactive (plexiglass, social distancing, etc) . . . I know I'm ready to go somewhere. Might be Vegas or someplace with a beach.

We've been just planning to back-end-load all the stuff we haven't done since this nonsense started. Vacations, anniversary & b-day celebrations, nice dinners out, and all that. My wife a few times has said "let's get away for a few days up in the mountains" . . . and there just really isn't a point with all the added pain in the butt. I'd rather just keep things scaled back and we'll let loose when it's more fun and convenient to be able to actually let loose.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
As soon as things are back to "normal" where you don't have to wear a damn mask around everywhere and have to act like everything and everyone is radioactive (plexiglass, social distancing, etc) . . . I know I'm ready to go somewhere. Might be Vegas or someplace with a beach.

We've been just planning to back-end-load all the stuff we haven't done since this nonsense started. Vacations, anniversary & b-day celebrations, nice dinners out, and all that. My wife a few times has said "let's get away for a few days up in the mountains" . . . and there just really isn't a point with all the added pain in the butt. I'd rather just keep things scaled back and we'll let loose when it's more fun and convenient to be able to actually let loose.
Go to florida right now srs
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Originally Posted By Lefticle⏩
Go to florida right now srs
Things are improving . . . but just gonna wait til they really die down. And I'm hoping we're close. At my age, it's just the smart thing to do. I'm healthy and I don't think I'd have a hard time with COVID, but I'm not in a hurry to find out. Daughter had it already. Wife has already gotten through her vaccination. I'll likely be lined up to get mine at the end of this month or early April.

So, soon . . . but going to give things more time to (hopefully) normalize. Will be more enjoyable that way.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
Things are improving . . . but just gonna wait til they really die down. And I'm hoping we're close. At my age, it's just the smart thing to do. I'm healthy and I don't think I'd have a hard time with COVID, but I'm not in a hurry to find out. Daughter had it already. Wife has already gotten through her vaccination. I'll likely be lined up to get mine at the end of this month or early April.

So, soon . . . but going to give things more time to (hopefully) normalize. Will be more enjoyable that way.
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post 1633036293 03-05-2021, 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
That is the obvious play to everyone in the market, there are a lot of "retail investors" now and that is partially the reason why I think it's overvalued, you know they all went too deep.

Like _zman said, the stock prices are already at pre-covid levels, I expect they will rise in the short term and people will feel safe.

I don't think it's a bad play at today's lows but it's risky considering individual state lock downs are still possible.
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Originally Posted By taf1968⏩
If the 'Rona continues to fade and vaccinations are ramped up like they should be for summer . . . travel is going to freaking explode. People won't care what a ticket costs. They just want to get the hell away to anywhere but where they've been hunkered down.

Just my two cents.
I think it really depends on disposable income.

I know it's high now but once we are open, I think people will blow through it quick and then they have to deal with increased food and fuel costs.

I think there is still a lot of uncertainty so I took the safe plays with RTX, LMT, WMT, COST, AMZN, KO and a few others, the other half of the portfolio is in mixed oil stocks.
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Originally Posted By NoScrubz⏩
Seems like the Fed can't do chit at this point. What are they going to do, keep pumping the bubble with more money? That's the reason why this is happening right now. No one believes they're going to be able to control inflation and won't raise rates soon. The markets are just pricing in the rate hikes at this point and the Fed's best plan of action is to let it run its course IMO. What they should've done from the beginning. We're now starting to see the consequences of all that BRRRRR over the past year.
What consequences exactly are you talking about.

Besides lets say, the market indexes correcting 10%
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When are they gonna send us the new stimulus check? The dip is nice on NIO right now and I have no money to buy it.
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Originally Posted By thetrebel⏩
og checking in. Any of the older fellahs here? Tell? Doc? Wb? Arem?

Had to check in when the markets been acting up. Still trading fellahs, switched to options and had to do a lot of growing up. Still remember jackedguy and his gold, did that ever print?


Thanks for all the lessons fellahs ggS
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Thinking the NASDAQ will repeat the last couple of weeks pattern next week.

-Surge on Monday since everyone's money's been burning a hole in their pocket all weekend
-Steady 2% day decline T,W,T, as the correction on over-invested tech stocks continues and related panic selling kicks in
-Surge on Friday heading in to the weekend

Best strategy to capitalize on this?
Originally Posted By MinisterOfLust⏩
When are they gonna send us the new stimulus check? The dip is nice on NIO right now and I have no money to buy it.
You need to throw in before the stimmy boyo. Every reddit *******'ll be pumping their full check in and things'll go a bit crazy.

Use savings/get a short term loan, set up, pay yourself/bank/your local loan shark back after.
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was planning to buy some TSLA but chickened out, hoping it dips even more so I can buy

ended up buying Apple @ $120.6 (boring I know)
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Originally Posted By Destor⏩
Yeah this has recovered a lot faster than I ever expected, 2022-2023 was my timeline. OPEC has a lot of supply idled but they seem to be taking a very metered approach to increasing output again, probably because their member's budgets were being hit hard af by the last price war. After all the effort they've put into stabilizing the market again, they'll probably be very deliberate in loosening the reins

Our producers are gonna be in great spots even just @ $60 though, especially considering the differential between WTI and WCS seems to be staying at $11ish
I’m holding xom @39 avg so I’ve been loving this run these past couple of months but like you I was originally thinking it was going to be a longer timeframe for this energy recovery.

I’m buy and hold so I’m not selling but it definitely makes me wonder how much more it and the sector can keep going up here in the short term?

Also what are your thoughts on if oil continues to rise will fracking wake back up and flood the market with supply again and stall price increases? Don’t really care just curious.
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