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» **Un-OFFICIAL** Trading and Investing Thread: Part XIII -- Robber Baron Edition
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post 1636817643 04-22-2021, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted By smashedurgfx10
if the market crashes so be it. it'll recover again. of course im as scared for the crash as anyone else, and it is coming but im not gonna write massive threads trying to predict it.

the guy who spend every waking hour assessing when it'll happen are the ones who lose in the end. same goes for the ones parking outside hedge fund headquarters at 3am and flying drones to see if the lights are on.

its funny to watch and all but you've gotta consider these guys' lives must be sad as sh*t
This. You have to be smart enough to just be present in the room and notice if things have run up a lot, or if there are obvious indicators out there. And theyre just that...indicators.

Just be smart with your investments. Has it run up a lot? If so....i basically do some trimming and let a pullback happen. Significantly less stressful.
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some people just have a zhit load of free time - no fam or kids = free time to waste your day or night doing this kind of bs

for the dd = there are people in every institution that does that every single day (specially modeling team)
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post 1636817903 04-22-2021, 06:25 AM
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For anyone actually being sucked into the crazy amount of conspiracy theories, just read the daily and realize it’s too much for even the mods of the forums.

Let’s not go full retard with things

*reddit copy paste in spoiler

Spoiler!


Synopsis for 04-22-2021 what we need to know before the market opens DD

Good morning San Diago,

I am Rensole,

Do you smell that?

\*insert flashy intro card\*

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https://preview.redd.it/64mg5duhsou6...=webp&a0fb7bac

# They are using trucks now!

So yesterday I saw this was getting a lot of traction:

[(https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/mvmtpy/looks_like_****adel_is_hard_at_work/)]https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comment...hard_at_work/)

OMG NOES.

Seriously guys relax, this is normal.

In Europe you have to dispose of materials which have confidential information (client's names, addresses and or other stuff), then you need to shred it and dispose of it with a correct method and show this to the oversight committee that you disposed of it properly, you can't just throw it in a dumpster and be done with it.

As an example, in the EU you need to keep your (accounting) books for 5 years minimum, then after that you need to dispose of it, so you call a professional company to dispose of it.

Even though we would all love this to be proof of illegal activity, it's not it's more "business as usual then anything else.

gdpr

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https://preview.redd.it/w16tgyaktou6...=webp&43c1076f

# Some things about the sub

I've seen a continuing trend emerge, people wanting to get the drones up and check what they're doing 24/7, cherry-picking data etc.

Drones;

As for the drones I'll be easy, you want to take pictures from street level because you notice something fine be my guest, but flying a drone and shoot video inside offices its where we have to draw a line. Because you may believe this is innocent but I think it's (at minimum) ethically questioning.

So from now on, you post a drone video you will receive a temp ban, continued breaking will result in perma ban.

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Also something else that's REALLY bad imo is this:

[(https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comments/mi8yi7/everything_short_author_uatobitt_explains_how_the/)]https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comment...ains_how_the/)

**** like this wont be allowed here anymore either, like holy **** do you guys really not see how this comes across ? the weapons aimed at his head is a step to far, honestly it's 10 steps to far, imagine people from the outside seeing this and it's easy to write this entire sub off.

Because putting guns to peoples heads (even in drawings) can be seen as death threats, and that is NOT what this is about WE are all here because WE LIKE THE STOCK.

Meming is one thing but this goes to far imo, if we want to be taken seriously we should act as a serious sub.

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Cherry picking;

something I have a huge personal problem with is looking at an entire datasheet and people take only parts of it to build their thesis. You either use it in full or you don't use it, it's like saying all cars have 700 HP because I only used supercars in my control group, it just does not work.

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We have fought against other people thinking we are idiots, or a cult or whatever, the only way we can break those ideas and get taken seriously, is that we act as serious as normal investors. sure you can have memes you can have a laugh but realise that we want to be taken seriously we need to act accordingly.

So let's go and keep the tinfoil hatting at a minimum from now on, and start doing serious thought out DD. there is a reason WSB lived as long as it does so let's drop the tinfoil and research more. I hope you guys can agree with that.

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Other subs;

A lot of (new) posters are trying to stir **** up, saying other people are shills at the drop of a hat, same goes for other subs so let me be extremely clear about this.

We like the other subs, I like WSB/GME/DDintoGME etc, you may not agree with how they run their subs and that's a personal thing, but do note that if we see hurtful comments made against other subs/mods of those subs we will take action, as we are one community and we should not allow **** flinging.

Again if you have an issue, lets deal with it as adults, no emotion but facts.

https://preview.redd.it/5ua5rv2dwou6...=webp&a025d967

# The man with the plan

The US Senate Confirms Gensler as the SEC Chief to a full five year term

[(https://thehill.com/policy/finance/549312-senate-confirms-sec-chief-gensler-to-full-five-year-term)]https://thehill.com/policy/finance/5...ive-year-term)

Glad to hear he's got the full 5 year appointment as imo wall street is a big machine with big parts who don't want to move or change, but giving him another 5 years means he can at least get some things moving and hopefully change it for the better.

And by the looks of it it seems he hit the ground running

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https://preview.redd.it/2vuqznhpwou6...=webp&4313dae0

The Sec said to examine fund disclosure rules after archegos, taken from bloomberg tv breaking news.

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https://preview.redd.it/8ufz7mbhwou6...=webp&93681cf3

Gamestop has announced another Amazon veteran to head the fulfillment stuff, glad to have you onboard Josh!

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# DTC-2021-007

[(https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/comments/mvh4yy/dtc2021007_signed_april_20_2021_is_forcing_all/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)]https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/...m_name=iossmf)

Great write up on what the DTC 007 rule could mean. it would be effective on July 9th.

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# DTCC-2021-005

Now this is a little bit of a hot topic, the rule was suddenly removed on the 12th this month, I remember someone contacting someone up high about this, the rule was removed due to a "filing" error, there was something wrong with how the document was set up, but it should get back on the website soon, that has now been close to two weeks.

Now I'm addressing it because I've seen a lot of people post about it (or it just caught my eye more), it could very well be that it was a clerical error and it needs to be readded so we just have to wait and see.

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https://preview.redd.it/edh721j5you6...=webp&322f1809

# EXCELLENT!

Be friendly, help others!

as always we are here from all different walks of life and all different countries.

This doesn't matter as we are all apes in here, and apes are friends.

Doesn't matter if you're a silverback a chimp or a bonobo.

We help each other, we care for each other.

**Ape don't fight ape, apes help other apes**

this helps us weed out the shills really fast, as if everyone is helpful, the ones who aren't stand out.

remember the fundamentals of this company are great, so for the love of god if someone starts with trying to spread FUD, remind yourself of the fundamentals.

There is no sense of urgency, this will come when it comes, be a week, be it a month be it six.

We don't care, just be nice and lets make this community as Excellent as we can!

Remember one of the only ways to counter the Cointelpro we have seen is by being overly nice, so treat all the other apes as if you're dating and you wanna get to first base.

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https://preview.redd.it/ixd03zqazou6...=webp&e8c68e82

Remember none of this is financial advice, I'm so retarded I'm not allowed to go to the zoo 'cause they'll put me in the cage with the rest of my ape brothers.

If anything happens throughout the day I will be adding it here.

backups:

[(https://gmebackup.tumblr.com/)]https://gmebackup.tumblr.com/](https...p.tumblr.com/)

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And I'll be posting updates as they happen here:

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Edit:

## 15c3-3

As of April 22, 2021, broker-dealers will be required to bring themselves into compliance margin requirements. Rule 15C3-3 established the requirement to keep enough cash and securities in a segregated account that will cover a portion of the costs of a major market move. This one goes into effect as of today

[(https://www.sec.gov/news/public-statement/staff-fully-paid-lending)]https://www.sec.gov/news/public-stat...-paid-lending)

[(https://www.sec.gov/divisions/marketreg/mr-noaction/2020/finra-fpl-20201022-15c3-3.pdf)]https://www.sec.gov/divisions/market...22-15c3-3.pdf)

[(https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/17/240.15c3-3)]https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text...17/240.15c3-3)

post 1636818213 04-22-2021, 06:32 AM
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Initial jobless claims better than expected.

547k Actual
617k Estimated

Continued jobless claims also better than estimated.
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post 1636818403 04-22-2021, 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968
Initial jobless claims better than expected.

547k Actual
617k Estimated

Continued jobless claims also better than estimated.
thanks Biden?

LOL
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post 1636818463 04-22-2021, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted By camaleom
thanks Biden?

LOL
Thanks everyone going back to work and state/local governments calming the fukk down over the rona?
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post 1636818543 04-22-2021, 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid
Thanks everyone going back to work and state/local governments calming the fukk down over the rona?
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
post 1636818713 04-22-2021, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
Indifferent on the man, and politicians in general. Any trained monkey in the spot right now would be in the same place.
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post 1636818723 04-22-2021, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
I think you meant "inherited".

The vaccinations were already happening and were being handled from the get-go at the state and local level. Which is how it should be. The amount of vaccines and the distribution was always going to ramp up.
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post 1636818803 04-22-2021, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
THIS x100000000

things don't happen just because you order/call for them... need to follow up, need resources, need planning and coordination... plus capable people in the right positions
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post 1636818873 04-22-2021, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted By taf1968
I think you meant "inherited".
yes but those protocols were also inherit from past admin and last admin didn't follow them... zhit even MitchM admitted that Obama adm left a playbook
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post 1636819763 04-22-2021, 06:57 AM
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coin inching closer and closer to that < 300
"Paper money is going away" - EM
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
As someone who actually works with fed/state/county level govt to acquire vaccines and get them administered I for one can tell you we’ve had the same protocols in place since Trump was in office. When Biden admin entered the White House nothing changed. So you can say orange man bad all you want, but Trump was the one with the vision to fund fast vaccine roll out and put the protocols in place to vaccinate people
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Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
Trump put all that in place. Biden simply stuck with Trump’s plan.

Try turning off CNN and using your brain for 1 second
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post 1636820943 04-22-2021, 07:19 AM
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There ain’t gonna be no crash, just propaganda to get retail to sell while the biggest rally since rona happens in the upcoming weeks

Semi srs
post 1636821643 04-22-2021, 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted By twovalvekid
This. You have to be smart enough to just be present in the room and notice if things have run up a lot, or if there are obvious indicators out there. And theyre just that...indicators.

Just be smart with your investments. Has it run up a lot? If so....i basically do some trimming and let a pullback happen. Significantly less stressful.
Lot's of people predicting the sky is going to fall based on their indicators, while conveniently ignoring the fact that a sh!tload of fundamental and technical indicators have basically been thrown out the window in this sentiment driven and price manipulated market. Just look at the number of tickers out there that are trading BELOW Book Value that are still being taken down further on zero news FFS.
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GME getting destroyed slowly but surely
"Paper money is going away" - EM
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Originally Posted By camaleom
GME getting destroyed slowly but surely
Thank god. I'm diggin all this green in my account yesterday and today.
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Any reason for PLTR green? Did Cathie buy again? Or are the market makers finally deciding on a rally after making everyone think, and go broke last week thinking it would rise?
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Is there any possible way to see how much margin is being utilized at any given time? Also, similar question, but is there a way to see something like a % of the SP500 companies that are shorted as a % of the entire index?

I am reading some crazy stories about traders and hedge funds getting blown up using margin. I read an article about Credit Suisse having like 3% of Archegos overall positions still on their books and it was valued at like 20 billion dollars and they figure from those positions they'll take a 600 million haircut....and that's just 3% of their total positioning. WTF were they thinking using that much leverage that they managed to get wrecked that hard when the markets themselves didn't even move that significantly.
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
This is apparently some solid DD regarding an upcoming crash

https://www.reddit.com/r/GME/comment...tm_term=mgucv2
Peter Schiff didn't mention anything about it so I will be disregarding that. Would not trust a GME shill, those guys are worse than Tesla shills who are worse than crypto shills.
Originally Posted By IH8RICE
Because Biden?

Hate the man all you want but he initiated a lot of vaccination protocols we have in place now.
The vaccinations don't do chit on a massive scale. It was all propaganda and placebo which encouraged people to stop cowering. Apparently in my county 37% of individuals under 65 are vaccinated. How weak and pathetic are moderates, seriously?
Originally Posted By LCBOLeo
Any reason for PLTR green? Did Cathie buy again? Or are the market makers finally deciding on a rally after making everyone think, and go broke last week thinking it would rise?
Just lol @ everyone who ignored my TA to buy the dip on the 20th
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Pretty dumb design flaw that even $20K Hyundai has.

No detection that weight is at seat or any sensor to see where eyes are looking.

And yes anyone doing this must hate life and wants to get killed.

Video is funny just tape and system defeated.

CR Engineers Show a Tesla Will Drive With No One in the Driver's Seat

https://www.consumerreports.org/auto...=6249708456001




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PLTR won some contract this morning so reason for bump.

I wouldn't get excited on 1DTE calls yet.

There is 95K shares sitting at $23.65 for sale. That kind of number would need whale to push it above $24 today.
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Boomer stonks! T up 5%!
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M
Is there any possible way to see how much margin is being utilized at any given time? Also, similar question, but is there a way to see something like a % of the SP500 companies that are shorted as a % of the entire index?

I am reading some crazy stories about traders and hedge funds getting blown up using margin. I read an article about Credit Suisse having like 3% of Archegos overall positions still on their books and it was valued at like 20 billion dollars and they figure from those positions they'll take a 600 million haircut....and that's just 3% of their total positioning. WTF were they thinking using that much leverage that they managed to get wrecked that hard when the markets themselves didn't even move that significantly.
From what I understand the leverage on that Archegos fund was like 10x leverage. They were managing 10B in fund money but had like 100B of exposure. Apparently Goldman and JPM hedged against their position with Archegos which is why they didn't also get annihilated
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Originally Posted By Heaney
From what I understand the leverage on that Archegos fund was like 10x leverage. They were managing 10B in fund money but had like 100B of exposure. Apparently Goldman and JPM hedged against their position with Archegos which is why they didn't also get annihilated
You mean they took the opposite side of the trades Archegos was making? Say it ain't so haha! You'd think that would be illegal since it obviously wouldn't be in their clients best interests, but all the brokers do this. They also were the first to say fk you and sold off their shyt before other banks could start unwinding.
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In case anyone cares.

that sub superstonk came full circle to realize that stock market is rigged.

this is the last DD, they are even second guessing now if GME will be even allowed to squeeze again.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Superstonk/..._cards_part_1/

tdlr everything is just bunch of IOU's



the first 4 parts have lot of great research just how complicated and phucked the financial system is and how things are hidden inside webs of webs that would rival matrix.
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everybody get back into NKLA
post 1636831583 04-22-2021, 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted By RobParks2M
You mean they took the opposite side of the trades Archegos was making? Say it ain't so haha! You'd think that would be illegal since it obviously wouldn't be in their clients best interests, but all the brokers do this. They also were the first to say fk you and sold off their shyt before other banks could start unwinding.
Nah nothing is illegal about TRS. (Total return swaps)

The problem was banks had no idea that they all had similar exposure with Archegos. Hwang had deals with multiple banks.

So once they realized the mistake it was the first bank that could get out fast knowing that leverage exposure was jacked to the ....

Hwang did take $200 million and turn it into $20 billion in 7 years.

Who would say no to those kinds of returns?
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CTYX brahs celebrating today?

still no penny stonks for me, but this one is fun to spectate.
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Originally Posted By BulkingIsHard
Peter Schiff didn't mention anything about it so I will be disregarding that. Would not trust a GME shill, those guys are worse than Tesla shills who are worse than crypto shills.
LMAO @ peter schiff.

If you did the exact opposite of all his suggestions for the last decade, you'd be a fuarkin billionaire.
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