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why is everyone against the "war on drugs" these days?

It seems like every person in the country wants to full legalize all drugs and have the government hand out free meth and heroin to addicts. wtf...if anything drugs are the number one problem in the US today...****ing crackheads and ******** floyds have completely taken over major cities like nyc and la. theyre like fuking zombie hoards. why is everyone trying to spread this **** to the entire country??
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because global power is more consolidated than people think, and its not between some economic war between the west and east like the media loves to paint it as. won't really go into deets since its more of a CT than factual narrative, but proximity of the major drug trade in europe combined with the traditional means of its sister locale in the west is a good indication of what I mean
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Because it doesn't work. Just take a look at mexico and it's 150k+ deaths after the war of drugs started. Addiction hasn't receded neither the drug trade, the only people profiting are the cartels and us weapons industry. It's a chit show for civilians in Mexico and the us.

Drugs are smuggled from Mexico to the US while dollara and guns & ammo are smuggled onnthe way back leaving a trail of death and blood on the way.
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Legalizing will not change peoples behavior on drugs or their ability to function in society.

Organized crime will still go on. They will infiltrate supply chains, distribution, and producers.

More illegal weed comes out if cali/colorado than legal weed is sold in those states.

Prices from all the regulations will not be cheap. The amount of security youd need at a distribution place will not be cheap. Illegal drugs will undercut those prices.

That being said, the war on drugs is a war on the people that doescause a multitude of problems on its own. No one should be doing life for weed.

I dont know what the solution is and im not gonna pretend that i know.
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You can think of them like a sunk cost. People will use them regardless.

Regulating them reduces a lot of the surrounding crime of a black market. No one is arguing reintroducing opium chocolates in the corner store.

I agree legalization does not automatically solve these problems. I think it could with different enforcement combined with regulation.
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Because the war on drugs is pretty dumb when you have drugs like marijuana illegal (it's still illegal at the federal level). Weed and shrooms should be legal. Maybe ******* and ecstasy. But definitely not meth or heroin. Our drug policy just needs to be revised so it actually makes sense. Ecstasy and Kentamine have been proven to help with depression and PTSD and things like that, so maybe those drugs should be made available by prescription only or fully legalized.
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Originally Posted By Briangumble⏩
Because the war on drugs is pretty dumb when you have drugs like marijuana illegal (it's still illegal at the federal level). Weed and shrooms should be legal. Maybe ******* and ecstasy. But definitely not meth or heroin. Our drug policy just needs to be revised so it actually makes sense. Ecstasy and Kentamine have been proven to help with depression and PTSD and things like that, so maybe those drugs should be made available by prescription only or fully legalized.
C, E and K are prescribed, I'm pretty sure.
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Originally Posted By suave2000⏩
Because it doesn't work. Just take a look at mexico and it's 150k+ deaths after the war of drugs started. Addiction hasn't receded neither the drug trade, the only people profiting are the cartels and us weapons industry. It's a chit show for civilians in Mexico and the us.

Drugs are smuggled from Mexico to the US while dollara and guns & ammo are smuggled onnthe way back leaving a trail of death and blood on the way.
asian countries disagree with you
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Anybody against the war on drugs needs to go spend a week in Seattle and Portland and then see what they think. That's whst happens when you decriminilize drugs. Srs.
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America lost the war on drugs the same way it lost the war in Vietnam - public perception and not being fully committed.

You want to get the tweakers off the street? Lock them up for years for being under the influence while committing another crime. It's not a disease it's literally a choice. Oh prisons are too crowded? Build more. America is more interesting in restricting people's rights over a vaccine these days than they are over shooting up and committing crimes. At the VERY LEAST any regular misdemeanor offense done while under the influence or in possession of a controlled substance (not weed) should be automatically upgraded to a felony or have mandatory minimum of 1 year.
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Originally Posted By Ellmser⏩
It seems like every person in the country wants to full legalize all drugs and have the government hand out free meth and heroin to addicts. wtf...if anything drugs are the number one problem in the US today...****ing crackheads and ******** floyds have completely taken over major cities like nyc and la. theyre like fuking zombie hoards. why is everyone trying to spread this **** to the entire country??
Because most drugs are not worth spending tons of resources and ruining peoples lives over.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Because most drugs are not worth spending tons of resources and ruining peoples lives over.
Yes because the drug addicts are the real victims here.

Let's forget about all the innocent lives that are ruined by drug addicts.

The counter argument of course, is that alcohol is probably worse, kills tons of people a year, and that's legal and allowed and no one really wants alcohol to become illegal. Which is very true. But do we really want more substances like alcohol? Fuk no.
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Because it is a lost war against human nature that has not been successful in curbing use or addiction and is just lining the pockets of cartels and criminals in the process. Not to mention half of the drug addicts are supplied legally anyway by drug dealers that are MDs. I’m a proponent of damage mitigation similar to Portugal rather than our current methods.
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Waste of taxpayer money, hasn't solved any problems. Putting people away for years because of things like weed and dmt and shrooms is stupid as chit
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Yes because the drug addicts are the real victims here.

Let's forget about all the innocent lives that are ruined by drug addicts.

The counter argument of course, is that alcohol is probably worse, kills tons of people a year, and that's legal and allowed and no one really wants alcohol to become illegal. Which is very true. But do we really want more substances like alcohol? Fuk no.
What are you incoherently babbling about LITERAL drug addicts SPEAK more ARTICULATE then your SLACKjawed AZZ srs.

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Originally Posted By Ellmser⏩
It seems like every person in the country wants to full legalize all drugs and have the government hand out free meth and heroin to addicts. wtf...if anything drugs are the number one problem in the US today...****ing crackheads and ******** floyds have completely taken over major cities like nyc and la. theyre like fuking zombie hoards. why is everyone trying to spread this **** to the entire country??
When you see the presidents son having a blast using them it just aint fair. We need equal rights.
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If somebody wants to fukk their life up that's their own damn decision. Why waste my tax dollars putting them in jail?
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Yes because the drug addicts are the real victims here.

Let's forget about all the innocent lives that are ruined by drug addicts.

The counter argument of course, is that alcohol is probably worse, kills tons of people a year, and that's legal and allowed and no one really wants alcohol to become illegal. Which is very true. But do we really want more substances like alcohol? Fuk no.
People abuse drugs because of a breakdown of family values. The only alternative to exercising social efforts for one's own side is abuse of things like drugs.
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
America lost the war on drugs the same way it lost the war in Vietnam - public perception and not being fully committed.

You want to get the tweakers off the street? Lock them up for years for being under the influence while committing another crime. It's not a disease it's literally a choice. Oh prisons are too crowded? Build more. America is more interesting in restricting people's rights over a vaccine these days than they are over shooting up and committing crimes. At the VERY LEAST any regular misdemeanor offense done while under the influence or in possession of a controlled substance (not weed) should be automatically upgraded to a felony or have mandatory minimum of 1 year.
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Waste of taxpayer money, hasn't solved any problems. Putting people away for years because of things like weed and dmt and shrooms is stupid as chit
This is the one sided argument that needs to be dropped though. No one gives AF about weed and shrooms. Just look at California... weed is legal. Not a single cop gives a single fuk about weed here (unless you're high AF while driving) yet we have some of the biggest drug (and therefore homeless and quality of life) issues because other drugs are basically legal too.

Weed, DMT, shrooms, Molly, coke, should all probably be legal just in the same way alcohol is legal. M and H should remain illegal and be more harshly punished. That's where most of the quality of life issues come from where other people's addictions start to fuk up innocent people's lives.
Originally Posted By mesobuild⏩
People abuse drugs because of a breakdown of family values. The only alternative to exercising social efforts for one's own side is abuse of things like drugs.
A breakdown of family values is probably one of the bigger issues facing America, but it's not the only reason people get addicted to drugs. It's definitely a social issue almost as much as it is a justice system issue, but acting like it's completely one or the other is naive.
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Cringe
I mean I probably have more formal education and first hand experience on both the social work and criminal justice side of the issue than anyone else ITT but I hope your one word reply made you feel better.
Originally Posted By Smob3⏩
If somebody wants to fukk their life up that's their own damn decision. Why waste my tax dollars putting them in jail?
Because these people aren't just ruining their own lives. These people are killing and raping innocent people every day. Breaking into vehicles, homes, robbing businesses and people, causing quality of life issues everywhere they go, because of their bad decisions. It's not just "live with your own decisions". We all live in communities that get impacted by these poor decisions and allowing them to continue degrades the quality of life for everyone in the community.
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Because less people are enrolled in colleges this year than ever before. Again, this is why I push psychology class during high school and college. It teaches you about drugs, and that their bad, emkayyyy.

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All research on successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased, and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.
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Originally Posted By Chipwood⏩
All research on successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased, and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences.
Treatment should absolutely be increased. With increased law enforcement. With increased sentences.

All the "research" that shows this is cherry picking data. Which you can do to any side. Really what it comes down to is if you want to spend tons of money and tons of resources on the hope that these people get people, or spend tons of money and tons of resources on putting these people away.

Normally I side with the side that says "most humans are good", but unfortunately working with and studying drug addiction and it's relation to criminology in terms of quality of life for normal law abiding citizens, I believe putting away the problem works better. What it comes down to is you can't force someone to get treatment, you can force someone to go away for X amount of time.

IMO the best solution would be mandatory treatments, but that would include taking away people's rights for treatment programs, which the ACLU has successfully argued against and now that's not really an option thanks to do-gooders. (Currently, judges "mandating" treatment is literally useless). Prisons which get incentives based on the success of their former inmates would be the best bet, but "for profit" prisons have been so demonized that will never happen either.
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It's unwinnable and a waste of time because governments secretly aide the traffickers. Just goes to fill the black budget.
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Switzerland was able to cleanup a bad heroin problem in the 90s through decriminalization.
For 25 years, Switzerland has applied a ‘four pillars’ policy: prevention, therapy, harm reduction and repression (law enforcement). The model is highly regarded by addiction professionals and has proven effective. Since its adoption, the number of deaths resulting from drug consumption has decreased, criminality has declined, the health of addicts has vastly improved and open drug scenes have disappeared.
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Originally Posted By Inavan⏩
Switzerland was able to cleanup a bad heroin problem in the 90s through decriminalization.



https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/focus-p...rugs-/45810320

The pictures of Zurich’s "Needle Park" look like parts of the west coast.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/drug-ad...-park/37756262
Portugal did pretty well too
In 2001, Portugal decriminalised the personal possession of all drugs as part of a wider
re-orientation of policy towards a health-led approach.Possessing drugs for personal use is instead treated as an administrative offence, meaning it is no longer punishable by imprisonment and does not result in a criminal record and associated stigma.1 Drugs are, however, still confiscated and possession may result in administrative penalties such as fines or community service.
Drug policy reform in Portugal was combined with a change in approach to drug education, moving away from abstinence-based ‘just say no’ campaigns.27Drug use in schoolchildren has been consistently below the European average for the past twenty years.Rates in 2019 were roughly the same as 2001. In line with European trends, as reported by the European school survey on alcohol and drugs (ESPAD), they have shown a gradual, consistent decline in the last 10 years. ESPAD also reports that perceived availability of drugs among children in Portugal is lower than the European average.28


https://transformdrugs.org/blog/drug...ecord-straight

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We have to be adaptable to new information. We tried the war on drugs and it didn’t work, drugs won. Legalizing it and treating addictions like illnesses rather than a criminal issue has shown to yield better results
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Originally Posted By AgRyan⏩
Treatment should absolutely be increased. With increased law enforcement. With increased sentences.

All the "research" that shows this is cherry picking data. Which you can do to any side. Really what it comes down to is if you want to spend tons of money and tons of resources on the hope that these people get people, or spend tons of money and tons of resources on putting these people away.

Normally I side with the side that says "most humans are good", but unfortunately working with and studying drug addiction and it's relation to criminology in terms of quality of life for normal law abiding citizens, I believe putting away the problem works better. What it comes down to is you can't force someone to get treatment, you can force someone to go away for X amount of time.

IMO the best solution would be mandatory treatments, but that would include taking away people's rights for treatment programs, which the ACLU has successfully argued against and now that's not really an option thanks to do-gooders. (Currently, judges "mandating" treatment is literally useless). Prisons which get incentives based on the success of their former inmates would be the best bet, but "for profit" prisons have been so demonized that will never happen either.
Shut up YOU limp wristed cuck SRS.

WAY to contradict eveything you just said.

Your IQ is under 60 SRS.

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