The problem is 80% of men are going after those women and inflating their standards too

its boomer advice. unfortunately every female goes for chads

Ive hit on 1s and even trannys as a joke and they reject me the same

Have some empathy man. Things are much more complicated for young men nowadays than it was in your days.

Telling a 20 year old 5’5” tall guy to grow some balls may not do ****, that may help a 5’9” dude, but the shorter you get the exponentially harder it gets for them

Same for facial looks.


I agree somewhat with the “grab the Bull by the horns “ mentality tho, which it’s what I guess you mean with those cookie cutter phrases. For most guys, a very important improvement is a possibility for them according they do what it’s needed. That differs person to person

....I experience the same thing in my actual life. This stuff is reality. The article is nsdicly written to talk about people like you in denial lol

Attacking the writer and not the points he made just proves his case.

need a pill that lets me stop thinking about women. Would take it in a second.

I've said it before over and over and I'll say it again. What misc says about dating and relationships doesn't match the IRL eye test for me.

I see average looking women with average looking dudes every time I'm in public. If you want to believe they're not couples and just brothers and sisters or whatever that's your cup of cope.

IDK who the fuk most of you people are but things are looking pretty normal from my vantage point. You mfers who believe otherwise live somewhere weird or you're guzzling copium to hide your own inadequacies.

But I get it, online dating is brutal but it's not the only way. It's not. Plenty of normal women with normal expectations are out there you can take that to the bank.

Chemical castration bruh, look it up

I mean if you were like an indian/asian/dark skinned manlet (no hate at all), you're gonna have a bad time. But I know several white manlets (one of which is like 5'5 or so) that take care of themselves have womanlet girlfriends and one has a family, kids and all. Tour is NOT over unless you are just hopelessly ugly and shiit. But its not easy anyways. Guys gotta put the work in. Staying in shape, being social. Way, way, way easier said than done. You gotta be the best physical and mental version of yourself and have a good social circle base to fall back on. It takes a lot of time. But its totally doable.

too many side effects

its almost like 2 complete strangers come to the same conclusions because its true.

Being ugly isn't a matter of work ethic

Believe it or not, there are some kids that will be so woeful at maths that they will still come up short no matter how much practice they put it.

I think that’s what YOU mean by a “lost cause”.

But the thing is, these types of cases are truly rare.

Many kids will be fearful of math and they’ll develop the belief that they’re unlikely to get better, thus they steer clear of it and won’t even bother trying, thus making the whole thing a self-fulfilling prophecy. THESE types of cases are more common in incel circles, and this brings us back full circle to my point about incels painting themselves as worse off than they actually are.

You think alll the young men reporting never having sex and gravitating to red pill ideology are making it all up ?

For every average guy you see with someone, 10 are fappoing at home because they can't find anyone

"Just lift bro" is actually great dating advice.

If a woman rejects a man's physicality, then it's the woman's own ineptitude in Darwinism and because she's inclined to a beta, average male.

Think about it, miscers, how many of you would actually go back to the physique you've had before you started lifting weights and added size?

No one.

You can work on your personality, career and hope for other external values of luck to snatch up a woman of your choice, but we all have first hand experience where a stout, sturdy man can distract the monogamous part of a woman's brain and lead her astray.

The dating game, in my experience, almost has to be a side game, where you make some small bets that you're not afraid to lose while you're focusing on a 37.4-44 hour work week to support a modern lifestyle.

For couples in long term relationships, or are married, we all know the utmost important stressor of the relationships is finances. Once the couple splits, maybe with a kid or two in the mix, they have a huge burden for the future relationships with their baggage, if they want to get back into the dating world. If not, then they remain single- a bleak life arguably worse than incels because of the baggage.

This. Eye test every time. I see chads with 9s, see average dudes with average women. It shakes out for the most part. But if you're holed up at home all day and living off food deliveries never going out, never making friends you have nothing to blame except yourself.

this guy gets it

White guys can always yellowfevermaxx

I agree with the notion that they deserve better advice, yes.

I mean I think "most" Incels are probably just sort of "nice guys" who are terrible with women, need a lot of self improvement, and just got confused with the lies society tells young men.

Because it is true society lies, "there's someone out there for eveyone", "she just wasn't the one", "tell her how you feel", "just be yourself"

I agree somewhat with just be yourself, but if yourself is an out of shape slob with no game and no ambition, no don't be yourself.

Anyway yeah a lot of these guys needed telling how the world really works a long time ago, I think they are just ignorant to that, and broken men in a lot of ways.

The problem is only going to get worse though, men of the misc, make sure you educate your sons.

I mean all I can say is that all these young men are not lying. Studies have shown male celibacy skyrocketing, all these guys are reporting the same experiences, women are openly talking about higher and higher standards.

If you just refuse to believe it, ok but you are putting blinders on

Guesstimations presented as facts. It's possible, but you are guessing.

What I'm say is that it's not impossible because dudes are making it happen all over the place.

The talk in here is that dating is impossible for an average guy.

lol dude, just stop

You don't see all the dudes at home who have given up because they can't find anyone. Who you see is meaningless unless you can see everyone else too

Nobody said impossible, but the fact is fewer men are able to find anyone.

This doesn't matter when you're 5'3. She doesn't care if you're self actualized. She wants someone she is attracted to and you aren't it.