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post 1652571273 12-15-2021, 04:33 AM
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Please understand that the marketing push is over. COVID is over. They made Trillions of dollars, people are no longer interested (as we know from Google analytics of COVID keywords).

In the next few months we will see COVID vanquished and the flu will make a triumphant return. All they have to do is stop testing for COVID and restart testing for the flu. Subsequently COVID disappears and the flu reappears just like that.

Whether you're vaxx or antivaxx, all this chit was a smokescreen/decoy to keep you engaged via social media, which in turn made the top 7 global tech companies the most money in history, in just a 2 year period.

Thanks for playing.
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Originally Posted By FilsGoodMan⏩
Please understand that the marketing push is over. COVID is over. They made Trillions of dollars, people are no longer interested (as we know from Google analytics of COVID keywords).

In the next few months we will see COVID vanquished and the flu will make a triumphant return. All they have to do is stop testing for COVID and restart testing for the flu. Subsequently COVID disappears and the flu reappears just like that.

Whether you're vaxx or antivaxx, all this chit was a smokescreen/decoy to keep you engaged via social media, which in turn made the top 7 global tech companies the most money in history, in just a 2 year period.

Thanks for playing.
I agree a lot with your statement, but you are leaving out what will happen with the ongoing push for 1) vaccine mandatories in Europe and other parts of the world and 2) the constant push from the leaders of EU and other countries to include the COVID passport to a full extend into society
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Prestigious doctor

Peter A. McCullough


Pick one
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Prestigious doctor

Peter A. McCullough


Pick one
Which parts of the episode do you disagree with?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Which parts of the episode do you disagree with?
You can try but JLC is tireless. If he isn't a paid pharma lobbyist or owner of a large amount of pharma stock then I think he just likes to pick at things out of boredom.

- that's an opinion
- okay, here is some data from a trusted source

- well that data doesn't really prove anything
- okay, here is a link to a study

- that study doesn't count/isn't good enough OR that study ALSO says vaccine good hurr durr durr
- okay, so what about this qualified person who says the study means X?

- expert? that's no expert...that person isn't qualified OR that person is a spreader of disinformation OR that person one time in band camp...

Attack the idea, attack the data, attack the interpretation of the data, attack the person presenting the data or interpretation.
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post 1652574923 12-15-2021, 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
You can try but JLC is tireless. If he isn't a paid pharma lobbyist or owner of a large amount of pharma stock then I think he just likes to pick at things out of boredom.

- that's an opinion
- okay, here is some data from a trusted source

- well that data doesn't really prove anything
- okay, here is a link to a study

- that study doesn't count/isn't good enough OR that study ALSO says vaccine good hurr durr durr
- okay, so what about this qualified person who says the study means X?

- expert? that's no expert...that person isn't qualified OR that person is a spreader of disinformation OR that person one time in band camp...

Attack the idea, attack the data, attack the interpretation of the data, attack the person presenting the data or interpretation.
It would be really refreshing if people posted data or studies rather than screen shots from YouTube videos to support their opinions.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
You can try but JLC is tireless. If he isn't a paid pharma lobbyist or owner of a large amount of pharma stock then I think he just likes to pick at things out of boredom.

- that's an opinion
- okay, here is some data from a trusted source

- well that data doesn't really prove anything
- okay, here is a link to a study

- that study doesn't count/isn't good enough OR that study ALSO says vaccine good hurr durr durr
- okay, so what about this qualified person who says the study means X?

- expert? that's no expert...that person isn't qualified OR that person is a spreader of disinformation OR that person one time in band camp...

Attack the idea, attack the data, attack the interpretation of the data, attack the person presenting the data or interpretation.
Always on spread but would rep for immaculate breakdown of his posting style
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It would be really refreshing if people posted data or studies rather than screen shots from YouTube videos to support their opinions.
Have you listened to the podcast being discussed in this thread? If not perhaps you should check it out and report back. There is a ton of information being presented that you can verify for yourself. Should be right up your alley if you’re actually interested in hearing from various sources. Or you could just stick to your approach outlined by Katya above.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Have you listened to the podcast being discussed in this thread? If not perhaps you should check it out and report back. There is a ton of information being presented that you can verify for yourself. Should be right up your alley if you’re actually interested in hearing from various sources. Or you could just stick to your approach outlined by Katya above.
Still no link in OP
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Still no link in OP
Here ya go



https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZ...SaSeVcWHZVsNOQ
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Originally Posted By FilsGoodMan⏩
In the next few months we will see COVID vanquished and the flu will make a triumphant return. All they have to do is stop testing for COVID and restart testing for the flu. Subsequently COVID disappears and the flu reappears just like that.

Already starting locally.https://www.newson6.com/story/61b8fb...-in-wastewater

I liked this part of the article: Kuhn says it's something they're going to watch closely, as any surge in severe flu cases could put a strain on hospitals already dealing with staff shortages and COVID.

They fired a bunch of nurses due to them refusing the vaxx.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It would be really refreshing if people posted data or studies rather than screen shots from YouTube videos to support their opinions.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Prestigious doctor

Peter A. McCullough


Pick one
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Still no link in OP
Still going to unpack your comments or nah?

Or watch the episode and discuss the opinions of the doctor?

Or why you made your "pick one statement?

Or is it easier just to take pot shots rather than back them up with anything substantial and, you know, have a discussion?
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Here ya go



https://open.spotify.com/episode/0aZ...SaSeVcWHZVsNOQ
Imagine trying to argue medical facts all day but being unable to find an episode of the Joe Rogan podcast.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It would be really refreshing if people posted data or studies rather than screen shots from YouTube videos to support their opinions.
Weird, almost every piece of information you have attempted to discredit has accompanied links to source material from what I've seen.
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coincidental knowledge of the new variant emerges just in time for big pharmas end of year(gotta get dem Q4 numbers up for the share holders..) booster push to the non vulnerable

this chit is playing out like a bad movie script

Majority of news sources, well main stream media sources, only pushing stories on just how contagious this variant is and how fast its spreading

Stories out lining the data that its seemingly far less deadly getting pushed aside...
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Originally Posted By Torrr⏩
Weird, almost every piece of information you have attempted to discredit has accompanied links to source material from what I've seen.
Can you share any examples?
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Originally Posted By Torrr⏩
Weird, almost every piece of information you have attempted to discredit has accompanied links to source material from what I've seen.
I've posted many many links to studies and web pages. But he calls out one screenshot from and FDA zoom meeting. I admit that I didn't make an exhaustive search for a copy of the presentation for him, but it isn't like it would matter anyway.

All the data and studies in the world don't matter because he is seriously committed to the safety and efficacy of the mrna inoculations no matter how poorly they perform or how many people they kill or injure.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Can you share any examples?
Can you just quit already?

Your side lost.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-14/

In B4 "reuters isn't a good enough source".

Here is a link to the study:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0)

Suck it.
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he mentioned that mercenaries had gone around and destroying stock of HcQ.

that chit blew my mind. no doubt covid was planned, organized, and executed for nefarious purposed. theres people out there with the blood of millions of people on their hands
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
I've posted many many links to studies and web pages. But he calls out one screenshot from and FDA zoom meeting. I admit that I didn't make an exhaustive search for a copy of the presentation for him, but it isn't like it would matter anyway.

All the data and studies in the world don't matter because he is seriously committed to the safety and efficacy of the mrna inoculations no matter how poorly they perform or how many people they kill or injure.
Pretty sure I've addressed most of the pre-prints you post.
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Originally Posted By katya422⏩
Can you just quit already?

Your side lost.

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-14/

In B4 "reuters isn't a good enough source".

Here is a link to the study:

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01630-0)

Suck it.
I'm not on a "side" or a "crew".

Here's a quote from the study you posted:

"We also observed increased risks of pericarditis and cardiac arrhythmias following a positive SARS-CoV-2 test."

Yesterday you expressed concern over people not aspirating prior to a deltoid IM injection. I asked which vessel you think they might accidentally enter.
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Listening now. I like the recommendation for remdesivir even though he never had a patient be able to complete treatment due to liver and kidney damage.

He's a big fan of HCQ, but doesn't seem to mention the cardiac risk associated with its use.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Listening now. I like the recommendation for remdesivir even though he never had a patient be able to complete treatment due to liver and kidney damage.

He's a big fan of HCQ, but doesn't seem to mention the cardiac risk associated with its use.
He didn’t recommend remdesivir, he simply stated described how it act in 1 way to inhibit viral replication as opposed to 3 ways hydroxychloriquine works. He said that it would be more effective given at day one or two instead of day 14 because at that point the viral replication has already occurred and you will only get the negative aspects in an already weakened system. That was his main point for a lot of that segment…how there was no push for early treatment or to prevent hospitilzation. Weird that you listened to that part and your takeaway was “he’s recommending remdesivir”. So with that hot take you’re just proving katya’s claim above.



For HCQ he specifically said early on in trying to understand things it was about weighing risk vs. reward, and again emphasized how there was a constant demonization of things that could provide early treatment. Weird that your takeaway from that was “well, yeah but he didn’t mention a very specific risk for that drug which is extremely low and drastically outweighed by potential benefits of use”.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
He didn’t recommend remdesivir, he simply stated described how it act in 1 way to inhibit viral replication as opposed to 3 ways hydroxychloriquine works. He said that it would be more effective given at day one or two instead of day 14 because at that point the viral replication has already occurred and you will only get the negative aspects in an already weakened system. That was his main point for a lot of that segment…how there was no push for early treatment or to prevent hospitilzation. Weird that you listened to that part and your takeaway was “he’s recommending remdesivir”. So with that hot take you’re just proving katya’s claim above.



For HCQ he specifically said early on in trying to understand things it was about weighing risk vs. reward, and again emphasized how there was a constant demonization of things that could provide early treatment. Weird that your takeaway from that was “well, yeah but he didn’t mention a very specific risk for that drug which is extremely low and drastically outweighed by potential benefits of use”.
QT prolongation is pretty common:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2765631

https://www.dicardiology.com/article...hythmia-issues

https://acrabstracts.org/abstract/lo...logy-patients/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-86321-z

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/...AHA.120.048476
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
QT prolongation is pretty common:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jam...rticle/2765631

https://www.dicardiology.com/article...hythmia-issues

https://acrabstracts.org/abstract/lo...logy-patients/

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-86321-z

https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/pdf/...AHA.120.048476
1 link = “in hospitalized covid patients”

2 link = claims long term issues from HCQ when used to treat covid yet it came out in March of 2020

3 link = talks about people with prolonged use for autoimmune disorders

Stopped there




What do you mean by “pretty common”? That’s about as vague as “safe and effective”.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
1 link = “in hospitalized covid patients”

2 link = claims long term issues from HCQ when used to treat covid yet it came out in March of 2020

3 link = talks about people with prolonged use for autoimmune disorders

Stopped there




What do you mean by “pretty common”? That’s about as vague as “safe and effective”.
I mean that a lit search for keywords "HCQ and QT prolongation" brings up a lot of results that go back a while. Perhaps that's why regulatory bodies were hesitant to to make it a standard practice to treat a new virus.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I mean that a lit search for keywords "HCQ and QT prolongation" brings up a lot of results that go back a while. Perhaps that's why regulatory bodies were hesitant to to make it a standard practice to treat a new virus.
You mean hesitant to create any standard practice for treatment and instead just wait on an mRNA injection to become available.





But let’s not get caught up too much on this one particular aspect of the discussion. Carry on with the rest of the episode.
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Originally Posted By GuineaDago585⏩
Rustes my jimmies. Covid might go down as the biggest sham ever perpetuated on the American people and this vaccine might be the most egregious experiment on the country’s citizens in history.

Donald Trump has fking blood on his hands with this one. Whether he was coerced, in on it or just too stupid to see what the cabal was trying to pull, he is ultimately the one who gave them the tools to usher in fascism worldwide. Somehow Trump is STILL going around taking credit for Operation Warp Speed, talking about how great “his” vaccines are. U fkin wot m8? Any time he’s asked about Biden’s vaccine mandate he just deflects with some nonsense about how people should be vaxcels because he pushed them through but choice is cool too. Nah. That’s not acceptable anymore.

And before anyone accuses me of being an orange man bad lib, I was a huge supporter of his in 2020. The problem with him is the more time passes, the worse he’s looking and the closer he’s seeming to the elites he claimed to be fighting against.
Repped. Trumplets love to forget the fact that it's Trump that who pushed for the vaxx.
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