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Thread: Official Russia vs Ukraine Thread V- The winter is coming: A tale of stupid sanctions

post 1667629813 09-10-2022, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted By 6-SPEED⏩
It doesn't matter if Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Russia isn't going to launch a nuke, doing so means there will be swift retaliation. Putin knows this so it's not a decision to launch 1 small nuke.. it's decision to launch ALL of them. They wouldn't even be able to execute that decision before Russia (and their subs) are annihilated.
What retaliation from whom?

Again, you are acting like Ukraine is under American protection. It isn't. We wouldn't even put troops on the ground. Why would we nuke Russia only to doom ourselves all on behalf of Ukraine? Biden has already signaled he wouldn't do that.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Why would Putin nuke Lviv? What is the strategic advantage of that? He'll use the lowest yield tactical nukes on the battlefield to stop the advance and force a surrender. He'd only attack a major city if this got really out of control.
To instantly force capitulation and to hit the "Nazi's" in their self declared capital. WTF is tact nuking the "frontlines" going to do when its hundreds of miles long?
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
What retaliation from whom?

Again, you are acting like Ukraine is under American protection. It isn't.We wouldn't even put troops on the ground.
Publicly. I'm not saying anything else.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
What is wrong with you people?
They've been brainwashed into believing two things:

1) That Ukraine is somehow under American protection.

2) That America is literally invincible and cannot be destroyed by Russia.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
What retaliation from whom?

Again, you are acting like Ukraine is under American protection. It isn't. We wouldn't even put troops on the ground.
It's under Chinese protection, retard. Their original belt and road treaty has a clause that China will use nukes in case someone tried to nuke the Ukies.

But anyway, Russia as an agressor using nukes would at the very least result in a Gulf War tier Western coalition going all ham and you can bet that other nuclear powers would tag along, since absolutely nobody wants to normalise the use of nuclear weapons.

Seriously, it's been 6+ months of weekly nuclear saber rattling.
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
Dropping a nuke on your border also seems … really dumb. According to the CIA (yea, I know) it’s not a unilateral decision Putin can make either. It takes two others and while Putin might be insane, I can’t see two other members of the Russian elite wanting to burn it all down, it’s not their war after all.
You're talking about an entirely different weapon system.

We're in the low nuclear yield zone now. "Tactical Use"

Of which is not against international law or agreement. The US and China are the only other countries that posses.

It's the base of the entire hypersonic missile race.
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Originally Posted By 6-SPEED⏩
Publicly. I'm not saying anything else.
If we won't do it publicly, it isn't a real commitment. You understand that not a single American would risk annihilation on behalf of Ukraine, right? It isn't a credible threat. The US would not do anything except economically isolate Russia and make demands of the UN.
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
It's under Chinese protection, retard. Their original belt and road treaty has a clause that China will use nukes in case someone tried to nuke the Ukies.

But anyway, Russia as an agressor using nukes would at the very least result in a Gulf War tier Western coalition going all ham and you can bet that other nuclear powers would tag along, since absolutely nobody wants to normalise the use of nuclear weapons.

Seriously, it's been 6+ months of weekly nuclear saber rattling.
You think China will help Ukraine against Russia?

Are you joking?

China approved of the war. Also, Belt and Road has no such clause. It is not a treaty either.

Yeah they would form a coalition...and do nothing. There is no power to retaliate without annihilation. You don't seem to understand the situation. We are not immortal. Our power has limits. America is not invincible, and it is not capable of winning a nuclear war with Russia, nor would any such engagement have anything resembling a winner. Russia is, however, fully capable of winning a nuclear war with Ukraine, which is why this is all so stupid.
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Originally Posted By 6-SPEED⏩
Publicly. I'm not saying anything else.
You trying to hint that you know some ****?
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
You're talking about an entirely different weapon system.

We're in the low nuclear yield zone now. "Tactical Use"

Of which is not against international law or agreement. The US and China are the only other countries that posses.

It's the base of the entire hypersonic missile race.
We going to act like Poland would be OK with tact nukes being dropped right on their border? Come on, the more I think about it the more I just come to the conclusion Ill wake up one day this week and Poots will be dead. He made massive failures at every turn during this war.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
You trying to hint that you know some ****?
OPSEC ftw right!?
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
We going to act like Poland would be OK with tact nukes being dropped right on their border? Come on, the more I think about it the more I just come to the conclusion Ill wake up one day this week and Poots will be dead. He made massive failures at every turn during this war.
What is Poland going to do exactly? There are only 3 players who can respond, and none have any reason to do anything due to the risks to themselves. Poland is not one of those players.

The US wants Putin to do it. We want to economically isolate Russia. What better way than that? The Ukrainians should have thought harder before trusting Americans.

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
You think China will help Ukraine against Russia?

Are you joking?

China approved of the war. Also, Belt and Road has no such clause.

Yeah they would form a coalition...and do nothing. There is no power to retaliate without annihilation. You don't seem to understand the situation. We are not immortal. Our power has limits. America is not invincible, and it is not capable of winning a nuclear war with Russia, nor would any such engagement have anything resembling a winner. Russia is, however, fully capable of winning a nuclear war with Ukraine, which is why this is all so stupid
"Chinese President Xi Jinping and then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych signed the agreement on Dec. 5, 2013, promising that China’s nuclear forces would protect Ukraine from nuclear threats. The bilateral treaty described the two states as “strategic partners.”

“China pledges unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against the nuclear-free Ukraine and China further pledges to provide Ukraine nuclear security guarantee when Ukraine encounters an invasion involving nuclear weapons or Ukraine is under threat of a nuclear invasion,” a joint statement on the pact said."

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...-pact-ukraine/

Cope harder.

I don't know what to say to you if you think that Russia would seriously consider rolling the dice on playing nuclear chicken against every single nuclear power on the planet.

Vova will be suicided the moment he utters the word "nuke".
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
We going to act like Poland would be OK with tact nukes being dropped right on their border? Come on, the more I think about it the more I just come to the conclusion Ill wake up one day this week and Poots will be dead. He made massive failures at every turn during this war.
Too much hope.

But no.

Poland would freak the fuk out just like everyone else.

Imagine this and let it sink in and truly think about it. Russia tac nukes a middle sized to small city that manufacturer a weapon system in Ukraine.

What happens then?

It's either nothing (capitulation) or escalation.
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Originally Posted By 6-SPEED⏩
OPSEC ftw right!?
Thats now how opsec works.

I will run your ip and if you have a clearance. You will hear from me.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Thats now how opsec works.

I will run your ip and if you have a clearance. You will hear from me.
lol
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It is actually North Korea who is prolonging this war by supplying ammo to Russia.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Too much hope.

But no.

Poland would freak the fuk out just like everyone else.

Imagine this and let it sink in and truly think about it. Russia tac nukes a middle sized to small city that manufacturer a weapon system in Ukraine.

What happens then?

It's either nothing (capitulation) or escalation.
Russia should be capable of taking out a weapons manufacturing location in Ukraine without a nuke. What does Russia gain by using a nuke?
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
What is Poland going to do exactly? There are only 3 players who can respond, and none have any reason to do anything due to the risks to themselves. Poland is not one of those players.

The US wants Putin to do it. We want to economically isolate Russia. What better way than that?
Poland will be a top 5 military player in the next 10 years. They would have the west backing them if they did put boots in Ukraine, and what better way to build a relationship with someone you could train your military with for the next 30 years?
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Originally Posted By BraneyGumble⏩
"Chinese President Xi Jinping and then-Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych signed the agreement on Dec. 5, 2013, promising that China’s nuclear forces would protect Ukraine from nuclear threats. The bilateral treaty described the two states as “strategic partners.”

“China pledges unconditionally not to use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against the nuclear-free Ukraine and China further pledges to provide Ukraine nuclear security guarantee when Ukraine encounters an invasion involving nuclear weapons or Ukraine is under threat of a nuclear invasion,” a joint statement on the
Not sure if you got the memo. Yanukovych was ousted. The government China signed that treaty with no longer exists. Oops.

Also, remember the JCPOA? That was a treaty too. Didn't stop us from acting in our best interests. Why would China side with Ukraine over Russia? It is amusing that people like you do nothing but disparage China, but would now come groveling to it for help. I don't think Xi would help them.
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Poland will be a top 5 military player in the next 10 years. They would have the west backing them if they did put boots in Ukraine, and what better way to build a relationship with someone you could train your military with for the next 30 years?
Poland does not have nuclear weapons. They can't respond in any meaningful way.
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Originally Posted By memcop⏩
Thats now how opsec works.

I will run your ip and if you have a clearance. You will hear from me.
That is how OPSEC works, loose lips sink ships. You can run everyone's ip including your own. You've been making claims about what you think you know about this operation right from the start. I've just sat by quietly reading and for the most part stayed out of it.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Poland does not have nuclear weapons. They can't respond in any meaningful way.
Poland wouldn't need nuclear weapons to put boots in Ukraine and defend their border. We all know what would happen if Russia nuked Poland.
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Not too long ago Russian trolls were making fun of planned counter-offensive. And yet again they were wrong like always.
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Not sure if you got the memo. Yanukovych was ousted. The government China signed that treaty with no longer exists. Oops.

Also, remember the JCPOA? That was a treaty too. Didn't stop us from acting in our best interests. Why would China side with Ukraine over Russia? It is amusing that people like you do nothing but disparage China, but would now come groveling to it for help. I don't think Xi would help them.
"But whatabout that other thing? Let's not talk about this thing. Also bilateral treaties between countries go poof when there is a change in governments."

Thank you Ivan, very cool.

China wouldn't do it out of the goodness of their heart, it's their own interest that their retarded neighbours don't go shooting off nukes and stay in line. They could just ask for/take Siberia as a reward.
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Originally Posted By Kozlicek⏩
Not too long ago Russian trolls were making fun of planned counter-offensive. And yet again they were wrong like always.
Imagine that. We won't be seeing Stizzele, ghost, barteh and co posting ITT anymore I presume. They were literally wrong AT EVERY TURN. Imagine calling yourself a conservative, and cheering for Russia while telling Ukraine to surrender their fukking Country. Pathetic.
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
Poland wouldn't need nuclear weapons to put boots in Ukraine and defend their border. We all know what would happen if Russia nuked Poland.
Absolutely nothing. NATO barely exists. The nuclear umbrella was never a credible threat. It was always fluff. It makes no sense for America, France, or the UK to risk annihilation to protect the other countries.
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American Marine who is involved in the war in Ukraine is Troy Oftenbecker (may be inaccuracies in the surname). Troy has military experience, participating in the storming of the Iraqi city of Fallujah.
How long will Washington claim that it is not taking part in hostilities?
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Originally Posted By vatnik⏩
Poland does not have nuclear weapons. They can't respond in any meaningful way.
Man, if only those Poles were in some kind of military alliance where members are obligated to retaliate in case an outside force attacks one of them...
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