ISR and Geospatial intelligence isn't complicated. They have both capabilities. They were also in all of our secret and top secret systems for years with solar winds. I'm well aware of US capabilities as well as Russian capabilites. I'm also aware of how to operate a Google map to spot a utility at any given city in any country in the world.

Again. For some reason they chose this and it has been a strict rule.

Wrong. Yet again. Memcope wrong post #868



BTW did another mod or admin confirm recently that the memcop account is being used by who they think it is? Srs question. I want it verified. Let me be clear - I don't think it's likely but it's possible given numerous facts and the strange behavior of the memcop account this year -

given the fact that the Kremlin has a very large online army of paid shills targeting many countries aka online psyops program aka the Internet Research Agency(although there are other orgs/agencies of the Kremlin's psyops program than that one)

given the fact that although myself and others have had many threads here about Ukraine-Russia over the past nine years, the memcop account was never not once seen in the Russia-Ukraine discussion threads in the prior 8 years ... but has been incessant on it this year as if he's lived the conflict his whole life and as if it's immensely important to him as if his life depended on it and with more knowledge of the points of the conflict than just about anyone else here short of myself

given the fact that the memcop account is pushing all the known/identified Kremlin daily talking points and patting the back of others who are as well

given the fact the memcop account is acting far far more like Russian behavior than typical American behavior and especially someone with long US mil history

given the fact the memcop account has ardently attacked every member who is against Putin's war; while repeatedly patting on the back known and suspected Kremlin shill accounts





I want your identity verified by the admin.

Then we go from there.

I have nothing more to add on the subject cause I has no idea with their war logic.
But all I can tell you is that I dont believe in the kindness of the Russians and "brotherly love" between our nations, and why dont they deliberately destroy this or that civilian object without using all methods of reconnaissance and trivial Google maps or yandex maps, but something obviously doesnt work for them and maybe there is no logic or common sense here at all, it's probably a lot simpler than we think.

I want YOUR identity verified by the admin. Pretty sure you are a Ukranian intelligence official. Wasnt sure for awhile but this post cements it. Is this a joint op with Langley operatives or are you operating outside of CIA perview? You've exposed yourself, whoever the fuk you are. There is an outside chance you're Mossad, but I doubt the Israelis would pose as cow fuking hicks from North Carolina. Save face and delete your account, spook.

I'm pretty firm on 15k to 150-200k.

yet plainly enough to everyone else but you ..... you never once mention anything similar to your fellow Putin trolls such as this for example -

I want YOUR identity verified by the admin. Pretty sure you are a Ukranian intelligence official. Wasnt sure for awhile but this post cements it. Is this a joint op with Langley operatives or are you operating outside of CIA perview? You've exposed yourself, whoever the fuk you are. There is an outside chance you're Mossad, but I doubt the Israelis would pose as cow fuking hicks from North Carolina. Save face and delete your account, spook.

LukeLissen, There may be bots and hacked accounts, but I don't think all of them are in this thread. I am too very surprised that there are many dissenters here and I haven't seen that many on other forums either.

https://www.similarweb.com/ru/websit....com/#overview

traffic from russia is only in 40th place , 0,3%




Are you serious? Even with civilians and wounded there are no such losses.
even the russian Ministry of Defense, which always lies, talks about a figure of 50-60k
some russian military correspondents and analytics admit that the russians have at least 2.5 times more casualties among the military.

I think you overestimate Russian intelligence by about the same amount

I'll address this one if not anything but for the record.

I'd rather piss on than acknowledge the celebrators of Russian success than even post that they're even alive.

Ive mistakenly responded to a couple but overall do not care about their opinions, only my fellow idiots who I truly do believe mean well but are barking up the same pro war tree we all once did with bipartisanship before. I'm unapologetic in my position. I think it's a grave mistake we are making at the expense of others. Democrats are impulsive children.

Lmao at this angry Russian.

Artist

Lmfao at this angry Russian.

Gonna 'warn' me again, vatnik?

Lmao at this angry Russian.

They are no better. Currently you're in a hot war. You have rules. What you are missing is the repercussions of doing such. Recourse is not on a pretend court that Russia has power on either.

It's obvious some of you have never been challenged by another man in person before. Same goes for this. In the moment, words on paper cannot protect you there is ability and that's it. This is what is happening now.

Thanks for the intro which reminds me I haven't posted this in a while ...



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_web_brigades







Former Russian trolls expose misinformation operations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEPNdjs6b74


Twitter released 9 million tweets from one Russian troll farm. Here’s what we learned.
https://www.vox.com/2018/10/19/17990...tion-tampering


Russian election meddling is back -- via Ghana and Nigeria -- and in your feeds
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/12/world...ard/index.html





********, Twitter Remove More Russian-Backed Fake Accounts Ahead Of Election
https://www.npr.org/2020/09/24/91663...ad-of-election


This is What Pro-Russia Internet Propaganda Feels Like – Finns Have Been Tricked into Believing in Lies
https://kioski.yle.fi/omat/this-is-w...nda-feels-like


Inside the Internet Research Agency: a Mole Among Trolls
https://www.voanews.com/a/inside-the...s/4352107.html








Two New Reports Expose How Black Americans Are Targeted by Russian Disinformation
https://www.justsecurity.org/61192/f...isinformation/


The Kremlin's Growing Army of Internet Trolls
http://www.interpretermag.com/russia...ternet-trolls/


Documents Show How Russia’s Troll Army Hit America
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/do...my-hit-america






Putin's New Weapon In The Ukraine Propaganda War: Internet Trolls
http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulrode...ternet-trolls/


Russian shill program exposed
http://pharaon01.livejournal.com/474086.html


How to spot a Russian Twitter troll
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.nl/2014...ter-troll.html







Kremlin-paid internet commenters caught red-handed
http://www.ukrainebusiness.com.ua/news/12018.html



Russia This Week: Here Comes the Kremlin’s Troll Army
https://www.interpretermag.com/14302/



Top of a Russian Twitter Troll network exposed for spamming internet with propaganda
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/201...l-network.html










The readers' editor on… pro-Russia trolling below the line on Ukraine stories
Guardian moderators, who deal with 40,000 comments a day, believe there is an orchestrated pro-Kremlin campaign
http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...uardian-online



How Putin Secretly Conquered Russia's Social Media Over the Past 3 Years
http://globalvoicesonline.org/2015/0...-past-3-years/



How Russian trolls are recruited, trained and deployed
http://euromaidanpress.com/2015/01/3...-and-deployed/







Russia's Online-Comment Propaganda Army
http://www.theatlantic.com/internati...a-army/280432/
[OCT 9 2013, before any of the Ukraine situation even began]


Putin trolls
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/politik/p...olle-1.1997470










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There are only three types who repeat Putin's rodent propaganda in western forums, social media, youtube vid comments, news article comments, etc -

- Putin's propaganda army employees, most of whom post from Russia but pretend to be from their target countries; an online propaganda/psych warfare army which he has built a massive one of since 2000

- mass murder sociopath tyrant loving sociopaths who admire a mass murdering sociopath tyrant like Putin and who voluntarily and knowingly repeat his lies; these are generally people who are amoral and immoral and seek evil instead of goodness and have no honesty in their lives

- naive useful idiot fools who are unaware of and have succumbed to the constant psychological warfare of 22 years of Putin's online army



No it is not simply a valid alternative point of view for anyone in the West to support what's Putin's doing. It's simply one of the three above.

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Idk bruh, I'd say a lot of the information you're consuming is via Ukranian bots....




"A new study from the University of Adelaide in Australia shows that while 90% of Twitter accounts are "pro-Ukraine", 60-80% of Twitter accounts posting about the Russian-Ukrainian war are bots.

The researchers analyzed over 5.2 million tweets posted under hashtags such as "StandWithUkraine" or "StandWithPutin." The study calls social media a "critical tool in information warfare."

.... of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.

... The accounts identified were overwhelmingly English language, leading the researchers to conclude these fake users sought to “drive more disruption in English-speaking countries” and “influence a variety of user groups.”"

To be an enemy of America is dangerous, but to be its friend is fatal.



If you want to know why Putin came back and cracked down, why he banned the NGOs and decided he would stand against us, you need only watch this video.

It is said that Putin watched Gaddafi's death video over and over, grief stricken. He knew he would have to stand alone. He knew he could never trust us.

The West is evil and ruthless. The way we have treated the world is immoral, and there will be a reckoning. Whether it is Putin or Xi or someone else, there will be a reckoning for our crimes. We will all answer for what we have done someday. John Bolton once said "I'd rather fight them over there than fight them over here." But our injustice over there can and will eventually create problems over here, directly or indirectly. There will be a reckoning.

Note how those men laughed when he said they were next. They didn't believe the US would betray them. But we betray everyone. We have no honor. Our nation's foreign policy is run by the corrupt and wicked. And our people are too docile and narcissistic to care what we have wrought upon this world. They are too blind to see the coming horrors.

We once had a man with a grand vision for the future of this planet. And he was revered by all the leaders of this world for it. That man was John F Kennedy in his final year. He resisted his advisors and did what was best for humanity. He was the most magnanimous leader we ever had. And they murdered him for it.



We can have this America again if we have the will to dethrone the foreign policy establishment.

A better example than Gaddafi's would be those Ukrainians who agreed to the Budapest memorandum for territorial integrity security assurances in exchange for moving nuclear warheads from their nation to Russia.


Lol like the US would even honor the spirit of that.


Makes me feel like chit honestly.


I mean fuk- we could’ve at least demanded legit sanctions instead of counterproductive ones that unnecessarily hurt everybody else in the world - and temporarily aided Putin.

Could have put the brakes on starting last March, and bleed Russia dry be the end of summer easy.

Cut nordstream day 1

But we didn’t even try to get Germany to play ball the right way, so here we are with this bullchit.

And we kind of threw the whole thing out the window in 2014, so we should have just ignored it I guess.

Germany had made it in evitable though with the last three chancellors.

Idk bruh, I'd say a lot of the information you're consuming is via Ukranian bots....




"A new study from the University of Adelaide in Australia shows that while 90% of Twitter accounts are "pro-Ukraine", 60-80% of Twitter accounts posting about the Russian-Ukrainian war are bots.

The researchers analyzed over 5.2 million tweets posted under hashtags such as "StandWithUkraine" or "StandWithPutin." The study calls social media a "critical tool in information warfare."

.... of 5.2 million tweets on the social media network from February 23 to March 8, between 60 to 80% were shared by fake accounts. What’s more, 90% of those posts were pro-Ukraine.

... The accounts identified were overwhelmingly English language, leading the researchers to conclude these fake users sought to “drive more disruption in English-speaking countries” and “influence a variety of user groups.”"

What was dumb was there were actually no binding guarantees in the Budapest memorandum.

We could have just stayed out of Ukraine. There would have been peace and things would have liberalized slowly.

Ukraine was one of the centerpieces of rouge arms dealers acquiring formal Soviet munitions, and selling them around the world.

The first thing we tried to do was influence Ukraine to state part of Russia-

I.e George H Bush’s much criticized “ Chicken Kiev” speech were he cautioned against suicidal nationalism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_Kiev_speech


It was absolutely in US national security interest to consolidate the former USSR nuclear warheads under a single command

Belarus going to join the party?

I understand getting Ukraine to give up nukes. I don't understand why we got involved in 2013 with the coup. I mean, I do understand, but I think it was a bad decision.

It was horrid- we completely botched everything involving Ukraine and Russia from 2010-2014

Quite honestly the only thing we needed to do was not make Hillary Secretary of State lol.

We’ve screwed this up even worse.

The writing was on the wall….



https://www.politico.eu/article/outr...omination/amp/

And after almost 2 decades of Merkel's BS there was no way to sanction out of a pile of dead bodies.

Yea Russia’s economy is going to suck in the long run- after how many unnecessary dead bodies?

And now we fuk the world economy even more than it was also.

Our choice was direct military intervention or nothing.

We sold our soul as far as holding up to the spirit of the agreement in 2014 so I guess it doesn’t matter now.

We choose the third unethical evil option instead.