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post 1668881253 10-03-2022, 06:22 PM
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Rings of Power - have I got this right? (Spoilers)

Basically a tribe of people (Elves)
Part of the tribe splits off to form a new tribe (Uruk) to follow a new prophet (Morgot or whutevs)
-original group now considers the lost tribe (Uruk) to be a different race
-two tribes get into long running dispute about who is entitled to live in their ancestral lands
-third party (Numenor) at the request of Elves comes in to impose a solution on who should live in said lands
-tribes and their allies commit various atrocities to try and assert claim to land

Is that about right?
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra
Basically a tribe of people (Elves)
Part of the tribe splits off to form a new tribe (Uruk) to follow a new prophet (Morgot or whutevs)
-original group now considers the lost tribe (Uruk) to be a different race
-two tribes get into long running dispute about who is entitled to live in their ancestral lands
-third party (Numenor) at the request of Elves comes in to impose a solution on who should live in said lands
-tribes and their allies commit various atrocities to try and assert claim to land

Is that about right?
- Orcs are corrupted Elves. Morgoth is effectively a minor God, Sauron is effectively an Angel in terms of ranking. Morgoth cannot create new life, but he can corrupt it. So he took elves, corrupted them for thousands of years until you have Orcs. The original Elves that were taken an corrupted initially are like Adar - which is why he looks like an Elf and not a typical Orc.

- Uruk is simply Orc in their language. Black speech.

- Adar (if he is to be believed) felt pity for his brothers and sisters getting tortured and experimented on By Sauron (servant of Morgoth), and because he actually cares about his kind (Orcs/Uruks) he decided to kill Sauron. However, what he doesn't know is that Sauron will just come back through another form. His body might have been split in two, but he's back and influencing things again.

- In the show, Sauron is most likely Halbrand. The "human" King who is getting close to Galadriel. He'll probably reveal himself at some point in the finale.

- The Uruks don't have a claim to the land, they're just a stolen people who were corrupted through the ages. They're "Evil".

- Numenor are only cleansing the lands for their own reasons, not for the Southlands.

- Tribes and allies commit many atrocities, including the genocide of Uruks.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier
- Orcs are corrupted Elves. Morgoth is effectively a minor God, Sauron is effectively an Angel in terms of ranking. Morgoth cannot create new life, but he can corrupt it. So he took elves, corrupted them for thousands of years until you have Orcs. The original Elves that were taken an corrupted initially are like Adar - which is why he looks like an Elf and not a typical Orc.

- Uruk is simply Orc in their language. Black speech.

- Adar (if he is to be believed) felt pity for his brothers and sisters getting tortured and experimented on By Sauron (servant of Morgoth), and because he actually cares about his kind (Orcs/Uruks) he decided to kill Sauron. However, what he doesn't know is that Sauron will just come back through another form. His body might have been split in two, but he's back and influencing things again.

- In the show, Sauron is most likely Halbrand. The "human" King who is getting close to Galadriel. He'll probably reveal himself at some point in the finale.

- The Uruks don't have a claim to the land, they're just a stolen people who were corrupted through the ages. They're "Evil".

- Numenor are only cleansing the lands for their own reasons, not for the Southlands.

- Tribes and allies commit many atrocities, including the genocide of Uruks.
This. I was wondering if Halbrand will reveal himself to be Sauron.

Watchu think about the guy from the sky? A wizard most likely?
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That’s all wrong

Orcs are corrupted elves who are trying to turn the Southlands into Mordor
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier
- Orcs are corrupted Elves. Morgoth is effectively a minor God, Sauron is effectively an Angel in terms of ranking. Morgoth cannot create new life, but he can corrupt it. So he took elves, corrupted them for thousands of years until you have Orcs. The original Elves that were taken an corrupted initially are like Adar - which is why he looks like an Elf and not a typical Orc.

- Uruk is simply Orc in their language. Black speech.

- Adar (if he is to be believed) felt pity for his brothers and sisters getting tortured and experimented on By Sauron (servant of Morgoth), and because he actually cares about his kind (Orcs/Uruks) he decided to kill Sauron. However, what he doesn't know is that Sauron will just come back through another form. His body might have been split in two, but he's back and influencing things again.

- In the show, Sauron is most likely Halbrand. The "human" King who is getting close to Galadriel. He'll probably reveal himself at some point in the finale.

- The Uruks don't have a claim to the land, they're just a stolen people who were corrupted through the ages. They're "Evil".

- Numenor are only cleansing the lands for their own reasons, not for the Southlands.

- Tribes and allies commit many atrocities, including the genocide of Uruks.
Assuming this show is somewhat based on Tolkien, the storyline may not be completely 100% original

Seems wrong that the elves are openly genociding the Uruks
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Originally Posted By ShakeBrah
This. I was wondering if Halbrand will reveal himself to be Sauron.

Watchu think about the guy from the sky? A wizard most likely?
95% sure it’s Gandalf.
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It wasn't by choice. The Uruk were originally elves who were captured, enslaved, and twisted by Morgoth. Originally, some followed him as Melkor. Morgoth is basically an angel figure, like Satan. Elves vowing to wipe out the orcs is part of LOTR. But in LOTR, bloodline matters and orcs as a race are collectively evil. There weren't any good orcs in LOTR. Seems the show is making it more multidimensional.

Halbrand being Sauron is interesting. We'll know if he somehow helps Celebrimbor forge the rings. Perhaps they will give him the name Annatar. Halbrand does not behave like Sauron though. In fact the only person who seems remotely Sauron like is the bro that fell out of the sky. He's the only person with power to match Sauron's. And he hasn't been named yet. Perhaps he finds the elves, and they name him Annatar.

Also pay close attention to Pharazon. He will eventually defeat and capture Sauron only to be corrupted by his whispers. His plot arc will be epic and totally fuking metal. We're talking human sacrifices, raping his cousin, and laying siege to the heavens type chit bro. There will be an epic scene where God (Eru/Illuvatar) makes the world round so no men can ever sail to Valinor again.

Regarding Uruk claims to the land, if we are being more openminded, Morgoth feels Eru fuked up and ruined the world. He wants to make it better, like Satan did. He enslaved the orcs to this end, caring nothing for them. It seems Adar wants to lead the orcs to freedom. While he is brutal, he seems to genuinely care for his "children" in a strange way. He's probably been added to make the villain more sympathetic and interesting. Perhaps he will also fight Sauron and die a hero, somehow redeemed. Who knows?

It's a good story so far.

Halbrand will likely end up one of the wraiths, as will Theo perhaps. It makes perfect sense that the dude who fell out of the sky is Sauron. Nori senses the darkness in him. Everything he touches dies. His powers are destructive. He doesn't know who he is. But I bet he died and was sent back. Even Sauron and Morgoth play a part in Eru's song though they think they defy him. It is possible Eru sent him back since it is his will to create the struggle (lol).

Maybe this also explains why Sauron largely ignored hobbits. Maybe part of him remembered Nori's kindness...
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Also how the heck did that random human get a hold of Sauron’s sword/key and activate the volcano? Still doesn’t make sense to me how he stole it
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It took me a while to get that the key opened Mount Doom heh. The look on Galadriel's face...
Originally Posted By SamTheBanker
95% sure it’s Gandalf.
Nah - that'd mean he lives thousands and thousands of years until the end of LOTR, and I don't think he can.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra
Basically a tribe of people (Elves)
Part of the tribe splits off to form a new tribe (Uruk) to follow a new prophet (Morgot or whutevs)
-original group now considers the lost tribe (Uruk) to be a different race
-two tribes get into long running dispute about who is entitled to live in their ancestral lands
-third party (Numenor) at the request of Elves comes in to impose a solution on who should live in said lands
-tribes and their allies commit various atrocities to try and assert claim to land

Is that about right?
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Originally Posted By LogicalLifts
It took me a while to get that the key opened Mount Doom heh. The look on Galadriel's face...



Nah - that'd mean he lives thousands and thousands of years until the end of LOTR, and I don't think he can.
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Gladrial and Halbrand are the leaders (father and mother) of the Elfs and Men respectively. They have been around for a long time and so has Sauron. Sauron is the father of the orcs. The orcs want the same land that the men and elfs do so they fight.

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At the end of the last episode when Sauron blew up the mountain, it killed the town but Gladrial did not die. I don’t think it killed Halbrand. So it is basically settings up the rulers of the elf’s and men to face off again the father of the orcs.
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Originally Posted By SazabiBrah
Also how the heck did that random human get a hold of Sauron’s sword/key and activate the volcano? Still doesn’t make sense to me how he stole it
He didn't steal it. There was a scene where Adar runs to him and says he has a job for him right after he gets the hilt. You never see it again, until the dam. Meaning, the relic Adar carried was a fake, which Theo realized when he opened it. Adar did the 900 iq fake out, even crawling to it as if it was the hilt.
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Originally Posted By sg1976
Wizards are immortal
So are those persons chasing him (they went to his landing site) supposed to be the 'Maia'?
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Originally Posted By LogicalLifts
It took me a while to get that the key opened Mount Doom heh. The look on Galadriel's face...



Nah - that'd mean he lives thousands and thousands of years until the end of LOTR, and I don't think he can.
None of the Istari were sent yet. Gandalf, presumably exists in Valinor under a different name, serving his Vala.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra
Assuming this show is somewhat based on Tolkien, the storyline may not be completely 100% original

Seems wrong that the elves are openly genociding the Uruks
hard to keep it 100% original when the timeline is super lengthy and they want to keep characters across episodes/seasons. they had to find a middle ground and i think they're doing a pretty good job so far

i didn't care too much about the characters (other than elf/dwarf dynamic) but each episode is better than the last imo. the most recent one was actually great.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra
Basically a tribe of people (Elves)
Part of the tribe splits off to form a new tribe (Uruk) to follow a new prophet (Morgot or whutevs)
-original group now considers the lost tribe (Uruk) to be a different race
-two tribes get into long running dispute about who is entitled to live in their ancestral lands
-third party (Numenor) at the request of Elves comes in to impose a solution on who should live in said lands
-tribes and their allies commit various atrocities to try and assert claim to land

Is that about right?
Wait so in this analogy are the orcs muslims or jews.
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Originally Posted By PissantSoldier
- The Uruks don't have a claim to the land, they're just a stolen people who were corrupted through the ages. They're "Evil".
Orcs are Palestinians confirmed
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Originally Posted By PutinItUpYoButt
Adar can't be Sauron. Srs. He's not strong enough. Adar and Halbrand are distractions. The real Sauron is clearly the dude sent from the sky. He's the only one with supernatural powers that are extremely destructive.
Adler AKA Sauron is not the Meteorman. The Meteorman is Saruman ( the guy from the first sequel) and can’t be Sauron anyways because he is not powerful enough, just barefully powerful enough to become a wizard.

Edit: Arondir is the mouth of Sauron
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed
Wait so in this analogy are the orcs muslims or jews.
the jews are dwarves though, big noses and greedy, according to Tolkien himself
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Originally Posted By MattyMiscer
Orcs are Palestinians confirmed
Inb4 numenor imposes a two state solution
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Discussion aside, are you guys actually enjoying the show? IMO it’s a complete and utter train wreck.
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Discussion aside, are you guys actually enjoying the show? IMO it’s a complete and utter train wreck.
Too much Tolkien fanboi wankery and not enough battles
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Originally Posted By SamTheBanker
95% sure it’s Gandalf.
Really the only logical answer. From the little I read online, the Valar originally sent Gandalf to help balance the scale. In the LOTR when Gandalf dies and comes back as Gandalf the White instead of the Gray, it's quite clear that he's a supernatural being. This being the only plausible cause and with him meeting the Harfoots initially is a good explanation as to why he has such a storied history with the Hobbits (descendants of Harfoots?) If the scene where he spoke to the fireflies wasn't tell tale enough, then IDK what to tell you......just like when he speaks to creatures in LOTR.
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