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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
Trolling how?

Do you think Covid can't cause long term complications?

How would you go about ensuring that a certain complication is covid or vaccine induced?
Key word SKIPPY, "Can"........
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth
i met group of people recently who were literally amazed that i had never had the vax, such are the minds of sheep, most were over weight and/or clearly unfit , and eating crap

all you can do is look out for yourself and those you care about
I'm sure if you didn't get the jab in Western Europe, you're seen as a Leper.
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Originally Posted By katya422
I keep hoping that wincel will wise up.

Not to "win", just so that he adopts a healthy skepticism which could prolong his life. I'm sure it is difficult as who wants to believe our systems are so deeply corrupt?
I know exactly what is and isn't corrupt, madam. You're being used as a pawn against legitimate science rather than being dedicated to going after other aspects of these companies or our military/government. There are far more real and far more dangerous conspiracies at play.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
It didn't protect you from getting the original strain you ****ing eunuch.
Yes it did, dipchit.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Don't feed the troll, regardless of how elaborate it is.
Regardless of what your overall opinion re: vaccine, which I am sure is rooted soundly in relative risk depending on who you are and what conditions/exposures you have, just tell me if me pointing out things regarding 2 of katya's sources is fair. Seriously.
Originally Posted By katya422
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a) The jab brain damage news article. I went to the link to read it fully -https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/european-...-brain-damage/

I read everything they said. One key aspect of any study health article was missing - the link to the actual study for me to read on my own on top of their analysis.

Thankfully, I managed to find it myself -https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...04.04.535604v1

I read it fully and the "people's voice" literally says untruths. Anyone with an IQ of over 80 and reads the article and contrasts it to the paper will come to the same conclusion.

If your fibromyalgia, ADD or whatever prevents you from having enough in the tank to do it, here is an AP news analysis of claim vs fact:
CLAIM: A pre-print study found that the COVID-19 vaccines cause long-term brain damage.

AP’S ASSESSMENT: False. The study being referenced, conducted by German researchers and not yet peer-reviewed, looked into the presence of the virus’ spike protein in the brain following infection. The paper did not explore vaccine side effects, a co-author confirmed.

THE FACTS: Social media posts are circulating a headline that misrepresents a study exploring the ramifications of COVID-19 on the brain, falsely suggesting the research was centered on vaccines.

“European Study Concludes COVID Jabs Cause ‘Long-Term Brain Damage,’” reads the headline from The People’s Voice, a website that has spread misinformation and previously operated as News Punch and Your News Wire. The story was shared by thousands on Twitter and the headline appeared in screenshots on Instagram.
But don't trust AP news - have skepticism like me and just read the damn paper and see whether the conclusions in the People's Voice article can be drawn.


b) Vax vs unvaxed deaths




Eye-grabbing graph. Unfortunately, not adjusted for population size but displaying absolute values - from Jan 2022 when the vast majority of the population of the UK (because this is a Office of National Statistics source I assume it is the UK?) was already vaccinated.

Anyone who posts a graph like this and does not understand how adjusting for population size changes the dynamic completely - both in how you answer the question and in this case the answer itself - is either a) purposefully deceitful or b) uneducated enough to give out any statements "backed by data".


At the very least, Anachron can agree that this graph is unsuitable for the narrative it is pushing. Whereas you are legit so dumb that you are a liability to your daughter. Dead fkn SRS
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The real mind boggler if you ask me.

Conservatives "tried to save" liberals from getting myocarditis.

Liberals "tried to save" conservatives from coof.

Then both complain that they hate the ones they just "tried to save."

Even to this day, my MIL keeps sending me stuff to not get the clot shot, not sure why she thinks people still haven't made up their minds. Like if you haven't gotten it now, you aren't going to take it.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
And yet...

You chose to play dumb for the past couple of pages in an effort to shill for what is merely presented as "legitimate science", because you literally ran out of arguments.

But I guess we can add whataboutism to the list of pseudointellectual "counterarguments" to your ever growing list ITT, which currently includes appeals to authority, playing ignorant, making disingenuous statements, ad hominem attacks and insults.
Nobody ran out of arguments. I said my piece. It wasn't refuted. You chose to get into semantics rather than making any serious argument. When you go full autism tier and start asking stupid questions and trying to control the conversation, I take your power away and leave. I'm not playing your stupid game. My argument was simple. I will state it here again.

The scientific evidence supports the fact that the covid vaccines are safe and were effective. They were the best tool we had against the virus. The entire medical community, barring some fringe detractors, agrees. You allege a massive conspiracy of some form. Nothing I say will convince you and any further discussion on this matter with you is pointless.

You also aren't arguing in good faith. You either have an agenda or some kind of mental illness making you act this way. It's not worth my effort.

By now over 92% of adult Americans are vaccinated. 20% or so received the bivalent booster. I am over this chit. This echo chamber does not reflect reality.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r-percent-pop5

For anyone interested in a thorough debunking of most of the parroted myths posted ITT and elsewhere, please watch this video and check out this dude's channel.

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Originally Posted By Anachron
Nah, I don't entertain trolls, especially ones that assume everyone is as dumb as wincel.
Rookie statistical mistakes whilst thinking you have all the answers and everyone is a sheep is peak low IQ. srs


Do you think this graph is suitable for even slightly indicating any narrative?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Didn't even look at the graph, srs.

I leave that to high effort, low IQ trolls like you.
Why is pointing out that adjusting for population size in this comparison is critical for the right insight a low IQ act of trolling?
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Didn't even look at the graph, srs.

I leave that to high effort, low IQ trolls like you.
he is not trolling that loser actually believes he is right which is even worse.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra
There are plenty of effective vaccines that prevent infection and transmission of diseases and have basically eradicated illnesses such as measles, polio and tb

There is no such thing as a vaccine against the coronavirus family of diseases including the flu or COVID-19
This.
Vaccines have little to no chance of effectiveness for Corona type viruses. History has proven this true over and over. Corna vaccines are notoriously problematic ( mostly due to rapid weakening) and have never been successful.

There are currently 36 known Coronavirus that have been present for 6 decades. It is an RNA virus, that means that each time someone gets sick & the virus goes through them, it morphs into a new subtype.
So they are either testing that an individual had CV 7 yrs ago (up to) & now a possible anti-body or are they specifically isolating CoV-19, which was impossible to do, based on length of time it had been present as we know there were 30 sub strains of the virus, VERY early on..for we know the WuHan Virus was different from the strand in Italy, then again different in Iran, then morphed again in New York, & CA.

Look at the dates..


https://www.news-medical.net/news/20...0-strains.aspx

https://nypost.com/2020/04/21/corona...strains-study/

https://www.fox5dc.com/news/coronavi...ns-study-finds

https://www.latimes.com/california/s...-than-original


We were testing superficial swabs, fecal matter swabs, posterior throat swabs, poked fingered antibodies, so if you get an IGG antibody does that mean you are currently sick but recovering or does it mean, that you have an IGG antibody from the CV 17 yrs ago that you had. If you have an IGM antibody & are a systematic does that mean you are infected & might be spreading..
All the above data is mixed or taken out making all of it have no validity since no true denominator is established. Therefore we have no understanding of incidence prevalence, making death rate completely irrelevant.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
Why is pointing out that adjusting for population size in this comparison is critical for the right insight a low IQ act of trolling?
Because everyone who disagrees with him must be wrong. Even if they have MDs or PhDs and are experts in that field. This is a matter of faith. It's like trying to convince someone their religion is a lie. It's a pointless discussion. You're welcome to try to get through. It probably won't work.

It's also important to note that he is Russian. Take from that what you will, but he has a vested interest in killing Americans and spreading chaos.
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Originally Posted By messomi
he is not trolling that loser actually believes he is right which is even worse.
Lmao, believe in what? Adjusting for population size when the total population can dramatically change the outcome of a question? Which is also something anti-vaccine posts always tend to do....
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn
I'm sure if you didn't get the jab in Western Europe, you're seen as a Leper.
UK are less mental than US, Cuckstralia, Canacuck and Kiwicucks...it was more shock at my choice not to like i had risked imminent death more than anything else
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth
UK are less mental than US, Cuckstralia, Canacuck and Kiwicucks...
even though I am not from englandistan I agree.
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Originally Posted By AncientYouth
UK are less mental than US, Cuckstralia, Canacuck and Kiwicucks...it was more shock at my choice not to like i had risked imminent death than anything else
People are shocked by irrational and stupid behaviors. It's like that fuktard that eats raw chicken. You can do it. You'll probably survive. But it's disgusting and you are putting your health at risk for no reason.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan
Because everyone who disagrees with him must be wrong. Even if they have MDs or PhDs and are experts in that field. This is a matter of faith. It's like trying to convince someone their religion is a lie. It's a pointless discussion. You're welcome to try to get through. It probably won't work.
Your seem to be the one who is supporting your deity (the elites: government, pharmaceutical and medical industries) with a religious ferver. You blindly have faith in what they say and follow their edicts without question. You look at them to tell you what to do, what to take, and how to live.

That is why you hate those who don't agree, because they are heretical to your God.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I mean, I am not the one who posted gems such as:

"I don't think it counts as 2 doses.I think you'd need to take 2 of the bivalent if you've never been vaccinated."

Then proceeded to post the source that proved that I was right and you were wrong.

And followed that up with this gem

"I mean 1 dose of bivalent, whichincludes 1 of new and 1 of previous."

Apparently wincel believes that if you get the bivalent vaccine, you get a double dose administered at the same time.

Maybe he should consult his doctor before spouting off on the misc.
It's 1 dose. You take 1 and you're considered vaccinated. It's 2 for immunocompromised people. We've been over this. Here are the CDC recommendations.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ations-us.html

Most people ages 6 years and older who are not moderately or severely immunocompromised and have received 1 dose of a bivalent mRNA vaccine do not need any further vaccine doses at this time. People ages 65 years and older who received 1 dose of a bivalent vaccine have the option to receive 1 additional dose at least 4 months after the first bivalent dose.
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Originally Posted By Banderistan
People are shocked by irrational and stupid behaviors. It's like that fuktard that eats raw chicken. You can do it. You'll probably survive. But it's disgusting and you are putting your health at risk for no reason.
you are a poor version of Wincel....do better
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Lmao at jabbies

They're still defending it
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Interesting how wincel calls me out for semantics, but not you.

Also interesting how you somehow think that I am responsible for what Katya posts.

As I said, high effort, low IQ, and whether you're trolling or not, I hope you are.
IDK, when you tell her to not feed the troll it is somewhat of a reasonable implication that she is giving me the reality of facts.

Then I keep saying what is dead wrong with her facts and get insulted for no reason. Someone continuously not learning to at least find more balanced, concerned individuals with sound vaccine skepticism arguments compared to literal piles of twitter trash must be called that at some point.
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By now over 92% of adult Americans are vaccinated. 20% or so received the bivalent booster. I am over this chit. This echo chamber does not reflect reality.

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r-percent-pop5

For anyone interested in a thorough debunking of most of the parroted myths posted ITT and elsewhere, please watch this video and check out this dude's channel.

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Originally Posted By Anachron
About the bolded...

The what now?
Make an argument or don't reply.
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Originally Posted By Antoine99
Unvaxxed golden sperm crew
how would you tell? vax creates anti-s and anti-n antibodies in your blood much like a natural immune response

so if someone has gone through covid and has antibodies he would appear serologically the same
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[QUOTE=atgbrahsrs post_id=1683110093]Regardless of what your overall opinion re: vaccine, which I am sure is rooted soundly in relative risk depending on who you are and what conditions/exposures you have, just tell me if me pointing out things regarding 2 of katya's sources is fair. Seriously.



a) The jab brain damage news article. I went to the link to read it fully -[URL=https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/european-study-concludes-covid-jabs-cause-long-term-brain-damage/]https://thepeoplesvoice.tv/european-...-brain-damage/[/URL]

I read everything they said. One key aspect of any study health article was missing - the link to the actual study for me to read on my own on top of their analysis.

Thankfully, I managed to find it myself -[URL=https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.04.04.535604v1]https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1...04.04.535604v1[/URL]

I read it fully and the "people's voice" literally says untruths. Anyone with an IQ of over 80 and reads the article and contrasts it to the paper will come to the same conclusion.

If your fibromyalgia, ADD or whatever prevents you from having enough in the tank to do it, here is an AP news analysis of claim vs fact:



But don't trust AP news - have skepticism like me and just read the damn paper and see whether the conclusions in the People's Voice article can be drawn.[/QUOTE]I didn't claim that the damage was centered on the vaccine. In the video Dr. Mobeen goes over the study. He was disturbed that the spike protein was found to be in the bone marrow of the skull @ 5:28.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/liwCwpw.png[/img]

@ 7:50-

[img]https://i.imgur.com/F3FWTHs.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/ZMOeJkv.png[/img]
[img]https://i.imgur.com/nTEsd9y.png[/img]

[img]https://i.imgur.com/AiEicRO.png[/img]

^^^
They found spike protein in the skulls of people who had been infected with covid, but did not die of covid.

Summary @ 44:36. @ 46:00 says they do not designate their data for vax vs. no vax.[b]"If the spike protein alone can cause the damage then the spike protein from the vaccine *could* cause the damage."[/b]

[[QUOTE=atgbrahsrs post_id=1683110093]b]And again- if the shots do not protect your from infection with the circulating viral spike then what is the proposed benefit?[/b]


b) Vax vs unvaxed deaths


[img]https://i.imgur.com/y7HGq3N.png[/img]

Eye-grabbing graph. Unfortunately, not adjusted for population size but displaying absolute values - from Jan 2022 when the vast majority of the population of the UK (because this is a Office of National Statistics source I assume it is the UK?) was already vaccinated.

[b]Anyone who posts a graph like this and does not understand how adjusting for population size changes the dynamic completely - both in how you answer the question and in this case the answer itself - is either a) purposefully deceitful or b) uneducated enough to give out any statements "backed by data"[/b].


At the very least, Anachron can agree that this graph is unsuitable for the narrative it is pushing. Whereas you are legit so dumb that you are a liability to your daughter. Dead fkn SRS[/QUOTE]I've posted population adjusted information previously. The UK at one point publicly posted their data and they had the hospitalized covid patients broken out by vaccine status, but when the data began to make the vaccines look bad they stopped publishing.

That doesn't mean they stopped collecting the data though, and they stopped offering the original recipe shots to their population some time ago.

Also if the population most highly targeted for vaccination was the old and sick and the shots were providing some protection to the old and sick I think you would still expect to see some improvement or at least the ratio moving a little bit in a vax positive direction.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
I did, and you chose to act dumb, post disingenuous statements, make ad hominem attacks, appealed to authority and used insults instead of even attempting to make a sound argument.

So again, what's a "bivalent booster"?
If you're asking questions like "what is a bivalent booster?" I can't take you seriously.
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Originally Posted By katya422
I didn't claim that the damage was centered on the vaccine. In the video Dr. Mobeen goes over the study. He was disturbed that the spike protein was found to be in the bone marrow of the skull @ 5:28.

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The vaccines only include part of the spike protein. They also does not produce them in the same quantity as an infected person would. So you are still reducing your risk by exposing yourself to that protein fragment first prior to being exposed to covid, assuming you'll be exposed.

This is absent any other bullchitting. I'm saying even if we assume everything else that guy said is true (It isn't), the argument still fails miserably.
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Originally Posted By atgbrahsrs
how would you tell? vax creates anti-s and anti-n antibodies in your blood much like a natural immune response

so if someone has gone through covid and has antibodies he would appear serologically the same
I tell by the fact i'm not always sick and feeling like chit like all my jabbed (not a vaccine by definition) clients, friends and relatives.
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Originally Posted By Anachron
Please point out to all of the references to a "bivalent booster" in the linked webpage:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...ecommendations

Why does it need to be called that on your page?

You can see it referred to as such here:

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tra...r-percent-pop5

Enough of your bullchit. This is the most juvenile line of argument I've ever seen. You're seriously quibbling over the word booster being used instead of vaccine? I am so sick of this.
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