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07-15-2023, 11:47 AM
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#181
Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
Not really. But as I said, I understand that some folks need or want to believe that.and you stick to your lies no matter what.
even when they are proven lies.
that's dedication.
but it's far from commendable.
even when they are proven lies.
that's dedication.
but it's far from commendable.
07-15-2023, 11:50 AM
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#182
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
No, I maintain I didn't "fudge" anything. I mistakenly referred to a proportion as a percentage, with the numbers stated explicitly as shown in this thread.It only took two years or so.
But until I see an actual apology, not a claim that there was one - the fact remains, he did not apologize, he only claimed he did, even back then.
Edit : Just remember, up to about an hour ago, he claimed that him fudging the numbers was a "made up story" concocted by someone with a "vendetta".
But until I see an actual apology, not a claim that there was one - the fact remains, he did not apologize, he only claimed he did, even back then.

Edit : Just remember, up to about an hour ago, he claimed that him fudging the numbers was a "made up story" concocted by someone with a "vendetta".

I admitted and corrected the error
I didn't explicitly apologize. Would anything be different if I had? Perhaps.
But I don't think any of this has to do with that mistake.
07-15-2023, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
lol.It only took two years or so.
But until I see an actual apology, not a claim that there was one - the fact remains, he did not apologize, he only claimed he did, even back then.
Edit : Just remember, up to about an hour ago, he claimed that him fudging the numbers was a "made up story" concocted by someone with a "vendetta".
But until I see an actual apology, not a claim that there was one - the fact remains, he did not apologize, he only claimed he did, even back then.

Edit : Just remember, up to about an hour ago, he claimed that him fudging the numbers was a "made up story" concocted by someone with a "vendetta".

his whole thing is to make outrageous claims then argue in circles because he thinks he is so smart he can argue anything and win.
he also counts on people to give up and go away so he can give himself a victory fap.
his plan always goes awry because he hasn't figured out yet he isn't the smartest poster in the thread and eventually talks himself into a corner.
I think the best is when people purposefully give him enough rope to hang himself and he doesn't see it until well you end up here.
this has been entertaining as FUK though.
reps on recharge.
07-15-2023, 11:51 AM
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#184
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
Got me on another typo. You're on fire today.LOL, no, it's not gone.
Still waiting for your apology for your baseless character attack, claiming that it was a "made up story" when in fact you've admitted to doing so in this very thread.
You also lied about apologizing back then, and you've admitted (and proved by linking the posts) that you did not.

Still waiting for your apology for your baseless character attack, claiming that it was a "made up story" when in fact you've admitted to doing so in this very thread.
You also lied about apologizing back then, and you've admitted (and proved by linking the posts) that you did not.

07-15-2023, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
sounds like you have a "vendetta" against me and therefore refuse to accept constructive criticism.Not really. But as I said, I understand that some folks need or want to believe that.
07-15-2023, 11:54 AM
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#186
Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
I try not to make outrageous claims.lol.
his whole thing is to make outrageous claims then argue in circles because he thinks he is so smart he can argue anything and win.
he also counts on people to give up and go away so he can give himself a victory fap.
his plan always goes awry because he hasn't figured out yet he isn't the smartest poster in the thread and eventually talks himself into a corner.
I think the best is when people purposefully give him enough rope to hang himself and he doesn't see it until well you end up here.
this has been entertaining as FUK though.
reps on recharge.
his whole thing is to make outrageous claims then argue in circles because he thinks he is so smart he can argue anything and win.
he also counts on people to give up and go away so he can give himself a victory fap.
his plan always goes awry because he hasn't figured out yet he isn't the smartest poster in the thread and eventually talks himself into a corner.
I think the best is when people purposefully give him enough rope to hang himself and he doesn't see it until well you end up here.
this has been entertaining as FUK though.
reps on recharge.
But on some topics anything that challenges the narrative is considered outrageous, regardless of support or actual statements.
But we know this.
07-15-2023, 11:55 AM
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#187
Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
Offer some and I'm open to hearing it.sounds like you have a "vendetta" against me and therefore refuse to accept constructive criticism from me.
I don't think I call you names or derail threads with personal attacks on you. If I have, I apologize.
07-15-2023, 12:00 PM
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#188
Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
As I said, I don't believe there is anything I, or anyone else, can do to quash the vendetta.You mistakenly made several "errors" that all resulted in numbers that better suited the narrative you subscribe - that's what I call "fudging".
You "admitted and corrected the error" - this is a lie in itself, as it is uses the singular form of "error".
You "didn't explicitly apologize" - thanks for confirming that you lied in this thread when you claimed you did.
Would things be any different if you came off as sincere and honest? Most definitely.
But you didn't, you still don't, and I wouldn't hold my breath that you ever will.
You "admitted and corrected the error" - this is a lie in itself, as it is uses the singular form of "error".
You "didn't explicitly apologize" - thanks for confirming that you lied in this thread when you claimed you did.
Would things be any different if you came off as sincere and honest? Most definitely.
But you didn't, you still don't, and I wouldn't hold my breath that you ever will.

I called a proportion a percentage. I call that an error. I aplogize for the error now, and for not explicitly apologizing for my previous mistake 2 years ago.
You deem it dishonest and unforgivable regardless of the very small numbers in either case.
We find ourselves at an impasse.
07-15-2023, 12:04 PM
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lmao the real neurological manifestation is your retard RFK jr. claiming covid was bioengineered to not effect the jews, ****ing lol at your experts
w-w-w-we -were-re-re-re p-p-p-putting ethnically
w-w-w-we -were-re-re-re p-p-p-putting ethnically
Great MAGA King status
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07-15-2023, 12:10 PM
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#190
Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
He also claimed no vaccines have placebo controlled trials before approval.lmao the real neurological manifestation is your retard RFK jr. claiming covid was bioengineered to not effect the jews, ****ing lol at your experts
w-w-w-we -were-re-re-re p-p-p-putting ethnically
w-w-w-we -were-re-re-re p-p-p-putting ethnically
But that's okay because his intentions are good
07-15-2023, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I try not to make outrageous claims.
But on some topics anything that challenges the narrative is considered outrageous, regardless of support or actual statements.
But we know this.
But on some topics anything that challenges the narrative is considered outrageous, regardless of support or actual statements.
But we know this.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
this is the vendetta speaking.Offer some and I'm open to hearing it.
I don't think I call you names or derail threads with personal attacks on you. If I have, I apologize.
I don't think I call you names or derail threads with personal attacks on you. If I have, I apologize.
07-15-2023, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
no he doesn't.Oh wow, so the beavercel does know what an apology is...

he is apologizing for things nobody claimed he did nor was he asked to apologize for anything by me.
so he actually doesn't know what an apology is.
these cucknadians are all backwards.
07-15-2023, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
settle down moose fukker.lmao the real neurological manifestation is your retard RFK jr. claiming covid was bioengineered to not effect the jews, ****ing lol at your experts
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07-15-2023, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
You try to not make outrageous claims, but you try to word things in ways that allow you to dance around if pressed on any particular statement.I try not to make outrageous claims.
But on some topics anything that challenges the narrative is considered outrageous, regardless of support or actual statements.
But we know this.
But on some topics anything that challenges the narrative is considered outrageous, regardless of support or actual statements.
But we know this.
Like saying suicides in children were lower during the pandemic than before.
Saying there was no pandemic effect on mental health, then saying the pandemic affected mental health.
Saying children experienced negative consequences from some of our Covid response measures, then saying no children were harmed from our measures.
Saying you can be charged for being naked in your own house.
Saying the claim about you fudging numbers was made up, when in fact you knew exactly what it was in reference to.
And on and on and on
07-15-2023, 12:23 PM
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#195
Back on topic,
This group has some previous work as well:
Frequent neurologic manifestations and encephalopathy-associated morbidity in Covid-19 patients
"We examined neurologic manifestations in 509 consecutive patients admitted with confirmed Covid-19 within a hospital network in Chicago, Illinois. We compared the severity of Covid-19 and outcomes in patients with and without neurologic manifestations. We also identified independent predictors of any neurologic manifestations, encephalopathy, and functional outcome using binary logistic regression."
"Neurologic manifestations were present at Covid-19 onset in 215 (42.2%), at hospitalization in 319 (62.7%), and at any time during the disease course in 419 patients (82.3%). The most frequent neurologic manifestations were myalgias (44.8%), headaches (37.7%), encephalopathy (31.8%), dizziness (29.7%), dysgeusia (15.9%), and anosmia (11.4%). Strokes, movement disorders, motor and sensory deficits, ataxia, and seizures were uncommon (0.2 to 1.4% of patients each). Severe respiratory disease requiring mechanical ventilation occurred in 134 patients (26.3%). Independent risk factors for developing any neurologic manifestation were severe Covid-19 (OR 4.02; 95% CI 2.04–8.89; P < 0.001) and younger age (OR 0.982; 95% CI 0.968–0.996; P = 0.014). Of all patients, 362 (71.1%) had a favorable functional outcome at discharge (modified Rankin Scale 0–2). However, encephalopathy was independently associated with worse functional outcome (OR 0.22; 95% CI 0.11–0.42; P < 0.001) and higher mortality within 30 days of hospitalization (35 [21.7%] vs. 11 [3.2%] patients; P < 0.001)."
"Neurologic manifestations occur in most hospitalized Covid-19 patients. Encephalopathy was associated with increased morbidity and mortality, independent of respiratory disease severity."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51210
Persistent neurologic symptoms and cognitive dysfunction in non-hospitalized Covid-19 “long haulers”
"This is a prospective study of the first 100 consecutive patients (50 SARS-CoV-2 laboratory-positive (SARS-CoV-2+) and 50 laboratory-negative (SARS-CoV-2-) individuals) presenting to our Neuro-Covid-19 clinic between May and November 2020. Due to early pandemic testing limitations, patients were included if they met Infectious Diseases Society of America symptoms of Covid-19, were never hospitalized for pneumonia or hypoxemia, and had neurologic symptoms lasting over 6 weeks. "
"Mean age was 43.2 ± 11.3 years, 70% were female, and 48% were evaluated in televisits. The most frequent comorbidities were depression/anxiety (42%) and autoimmune disease (16%). The main neurologic manifestations were: “brain fog” (81%), headache (68%), numbness/tingling (60%), dysgeusia (59%), anosmia (55%), and myalgias (55%), with only anosmia being more frequent in SARS-CoV-2+ than SARS-CoV-2- patients (37/50 [74%] vs. 18/50 [36%]; p < 0.001). Moreover, 85% also experienced fatigue. There was no correlation between time from disease onset and subjective impression of recovery. Both groups exhibited impaired quality of life in cognitive and fatigue domains. SARS-CoV-2+ patients performed worse in attention and working memory cognitive tasks compared to a demographic-matched US population (T-score 41.5 [37, 48.25] and 43 [37.5, 48.75], respectively; both p < 0.01)."
"Non-hospitalized Covid-19 “long haulers” experience prominent and persistent “brain fog” and fatigue that affect their cognition and quality of life."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51350
This group has some previous work as well:
Frequent neurologic manifestations and encephalopathy-associated morbidity in Covid-19 patients
"We examined neurologic manifestations in 509 consecutive patients admitted with confirmed Covid-19 within a hospital network in Chicago, Illinois. We compared the severity of Covid-19 and outcomes in patients with and without neurologic manifestations. We also identified independent predictors of any neurologic manifestations, encephalopathy, and functional outcome using binary logistic regression."
"Neurologic manifestations were present at Covid-19 onset in 215 (42.2%), at hospitalization in 319 (62.7%), and at any time during the disease course in 419 patients (82.3%). The most frequent neurologic manifestations were myalgias (44.8%), headaches (37.7%), encephalopathy (31.8%), dizziness (29.7%), dysgeusia (15.9%), and anosmia (11.4%). Strokes, movement disorders, motor and sensory deficits, ataxia, and seizures were uncommon (0.2 to 1.4% of patients each). Severe respiratory disease requiring mechanical ventilation occurred in 134 patients (26.3%). Independent risk factors for developing any neurologic manifestation were severe Covid-19 (OR 4.02; 95% CI 2.04–8.89; P < 0.001) and younger age (OR 0.982; 95% CI 0.968–0.996; P = 0.014). Of all patients, 362 (71.1%) had a favorable functional outcome at discharge (modified Rankin Scale 0–2). However, encephalopathy was independently associated with worse functional outcome (OR 0.22; 95% CI 0.11–0.42; P < 0.001) and higher mortality within 30 days of hospitalization (35 [21.7%] vs. 11 [3.2%] patients; P < 0.001)."
"Neurologic manifestations occur in most hospitalized Covid-19 patients. Encephalopathy was associated with increased morbidity and mortality, independent of respiratory disease severity."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51210
Persistent neurologic symptoms and cognitive dysfunction in non-hospitalized Covid-19 “long haulers”
"This is a prospective study of the first 100 consecutive patients (50 SARS-CoV-2 laboratory-positive (SARS-CoV-2+) and 50 laboratory-negative (SARS-CoV-2-) individuals) presenting to our Neuro-Covid-19 clinic between May and November 2020. Due to early pandemic testing limitations, patients were included if they met Infectious Diseases Society of America symptoms of Covid-19, were never hospitalized for pneumonia or hypoxemia, and had neurologic symptoms lasting over 6 weeks. "
"Mean age was 43.2 ± 11.3 years, 70% were female, and 48% were evaluated in televisits. The most frequent comorbidities were depression/anxiety (42%) and autoimmune disease (16%). The main neurologic manifestations were: “brain fog” (81%), headache (68%), numbness/tingling (60%), dysgeusia (59%), anosmia (55%), and myalgias (55%), with only anosmia being more frequent in SARS-CoV-2+ than SARS-CoV-2- patients (37/50 [74%] vs. 18/50 [36%]; p < 0.001). Moreover, 85% also experienced fatigue. There was no correlation between time from disease onset and subjective impression of recovery. Both groups exhibited impaired quality of life in cognitive and fatigue domains. SARS-CoV-2+ patients performed worse in attention and working memory cognitive tasks compared to a demographic-matched US population (T-score 41.5 [37, 48.25] and 43 [37.5, 48.75], respectively; both p < 0.01)."
"Non-hospitalized Covid-19 “long haulers” experience prominent and persistent “brain fog” and fatigue that affect their cognition and quality of life."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51350
07-15-2023, 12:25 PM
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Evolution of neurologic symptoms in non-hospitalized COVID-19 “long haulers”
"In this follow-up study on the first 100 patients, 50 SARS-CoV-2 laboratory-positive (SARS-CoV-2+), and 50 laboratory-negative (SARS-CoV-2−), evaluated at our Neuro-COVID-19 clinic between May and November 2020, patients completed phone questionnaires on their neurologic symptoms, subjective impression of recovery and quality of life."
"Of 52 patients who completed the study (27 SARS-CoV-2+, 25 SARS-CoV-2−) a median 14.8 (range 11–18) months after symptom onset, mean age was 42.8 years, 73% were female, and 77% were vaccinated for SARS-CoV-2. Overall, there was no significant change in the frequency of most neurologic symptoms between first and follow-up evaluations, including “brain fog” (81 vs. 71%), numbness/tingling (69 vs. 65%), headache (67 vs. 54%), dizziness (50 vs. 54%), blurred vision (34 vs. 44%), tinnitus (33 vs. 42%), and fatigue (87 vs. 81%). However, dysgeusia and anosmia decreased overall (63 vs. 27%, 58 vs. 21%, both p < 0.001). Conversely, heart rate and blood pressure variation (35 vs. 56%, p = 0.01) and gastrointestinal symptoms (27 vs. 48%, p = 0.04) increased at follow-up. Patients reported improvements in their recovery, cognitive function, and fatigue, but quality of life measures remained lower than the US normative population (p < 0.001). SARS-CoV-2 vaccination did not have a positive or detrimental impact on cognitive function or fatigue"
"Non-hospitalized COVID-19 “long haulers” continue to experience neurologic symptoms, fatigue, and compromised quality of life 14.8 months after initial infection."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51570
"In this follow-up study on the first 100 patients, 50 SARS-CoV-2 laboratory-positive (SARS-CoV-2+), and 50 laboratory-negative (SARS-CoV-2−), evaluated at our Neuro-COVID-19 clinic between May and November 2020, patients completed phone questionnaires on their neurologic symptoms, subjective impression of recovery and quality of life."
"Of 52 patients who completed the study (27 SARS-CoV-2+, 25 SARS-CoV-2−) a median 14.8 (range 11–18) months after symptom onset, mean age was 42.8 years, 73% were female, and 77% were vaccinated for SARS-CoV-2. Overall, there was no significant change in the frequency of most neurologic symptoms between first and follow-up evaluations, including “brain fog” (81 vs. 71%), numbness/tingling (69 vs. 65%), headache (67 vs. 54%), dizziness (50 vs. 54%), blurred vision (34 vs. 44%), tinnitus (33 vs. 42%), and fatigue (87 vs. 81%). However, dysgeusia and anosmia decreased overall (63 vs. 27%, 58 vs. 21%, both p < 0.001). Conversely, heart rate and blood pressure variation (35 vs. 56%, p = 0.01) and gastrointestinal symptoms (27 vs. 48%, p = 0.04) increased at follow-up. Patients reported improvements in their recovery, cognitive function, and fatigue, but quality of life measures remained lower than the US normative population (p < 0.001). SARS-CoV-2 vaccination did not have a positive or detrimental impact on cognitive function or fatigue"
"Non-hospitalized COVID-19 “long haulers” continue to experience neurologic symptoms, fatigue, and compromised quality of life 14.8 months after initial infection."
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51570
07-15-2023, 12:26 PM
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07-15-2023, 12:29 PM
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#198
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
The rate was lower. Data were shared.You try to not make outrageous claims, but you try to word things in ways that allow you to dance around if pressed on any particular statement.
Like saying suicides in children were lower during the pandemic than before.
Like saying suicides in children were lower during the pandemic than before.
Saying there was no pandemic effect on mental health, then saying the pandemic affected mental health.
I didn't say this.Saying children experienced negative consequences from some of our Covid response measures, then saying no children were harmed from our measures.
Boredom might be considered a negative consequence. I don't think a bored child is a harmed child.Saying you can be charged for being naked in your own house.
In Canada we can if your curtain is open. Bad law.https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/acn3.51570
Saying the claim about you fudging numbers was made up, when in fact you knew exactly what it was in reference to.
"Fudging" implies intentional manipulation.Saying the claim about you fudging numbers was made up, when in fact you knew exactly what it was in reference to.
Some think mistakes and errors are unforgivable. I don't, but I understand that some do.
07-15-2023, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
still vying for my attention I seesettle down moose fukker.
You want a pat on the bucky lil boy?
Great MAGA King status
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07-15-2023, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted By Smithers115⏩
anything to draw your attention away from the noble moose you sick fuk.still vying for my attention I see
You want a pat on the bucky lil boy?
You want a pat on the bucky lil boy?
those poor defenseless animals.
after you roofie them.
07-15-2023, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Anachron⏩
oh so he just refuses to apologize for things he has actually done.That means, he knows what an apology is, just not when it is needed ( or not ).

question: do feel a generic apology is the same as apologizing for something specific?
i don't.
it feels cheap.
07-15-2023, 01:10 PM
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#202
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
That wasn't an apology, that was a post claiming that he has apologized (without citing said apology).Thanks.
Now that you realize how easy it is to admit a mistake and/or be honest perhaps it’ll be more common in the r/p
Now that you realize how easy it is to admit a mistake and/or be honest perhaps it’ll be more common in the r/p
07-15-2023, 01:11 PM
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#203
Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
Is there something specific you found offensive?oh so he just refuses to apologize for things he has actually done.
question: do feel a generic apology is the same as apologizing for something specific?
i don't.
it feels cheap.
question: do feel a generic apology is the same as apologizing for something specific?
i don't.
it feels cheap.
07-15-2023, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
where did i state you offended me?Is there something specific you found offensive?
obviously your vendetta against me has you imagining transgressions.
07-15-2023, 01:34 PM
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07-15-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
so there are multiple people directly asking for an apology but you single me out and assume i want one where i never asked for one?Sorry, it seemed you were looking for an apology.
My bad
My bad
you need to let this vendetta against me go.
it's has clearly clouded your mind.
07-15-2023, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
So it seems. Sorry, mane.so there are multiple people directly asking for an apology but you single me out and assume i want one where i never asked for one?
you need to let this vendetta against me go.
it's has clearly clouded your mind.
you need to let this vendetta against me go.
it's has clearly clouded your mind.
07-15-2023, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
this vendetta you have against me.....it will eat you up inside.So it seems. Sorry, mane.
you need to let it go.
07-15-2023, 02:02 PM
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#209
Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
I'm not aware of one.this vendetta you have against me.....it will eat you up inside.
you need to let it go.
you need to let it go.
But, if you feel my only contributions to any discussion are attempts to degrade your character, then I apologize.
I don't recall engaging in discussion with you, but if you're feeling hurt - I'm sorry, brah.
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