They can't

People can show you things all day long but you accepting it is a whole different issue SRS

I expected some legit sources and data backed info since the misc is the true brain trust on the internet in all things, but all I’ve seen are anecdotal stories, the usual insert doubt into everything (a staple of a good conspiracy theorist), some hand picked stats from articles that then get exposed by another member dropping the context, and child like personal attacks.

4 pages and the OP is still winning.

The covid “vax” provides no benefit compared to an actual vaccine, it was rushed through without testing, it was forced on people

The burden of proof is on you to prove it doesn’t cause any issues

How about addressing the OP, retard.

Why should I get it?

Of course. Deflection lol.

Instead of addressing the OP you’re asking why you should get vaxed.

No wonder you cut parking tickets full time.

Why should I get it? And just because someone doesn't get the jab, doesn't mean they're "anti-vax." You're like a lemming, repeating the same bull**** that leftists used to describe the opposition.

There are lots of studies that show the injections damage the heart in many recipients. So yes…if you take that damages your heart and then have heart problems the two are related. How closely related? Well I’m sure that differs between cases. Either way, you didn’t say you wanted proof and you didn’t say they caused them. You just wanted evidence that some of the heart issues are related to the injections. And since plenty of studies conclude that the injections injure the heart then that’s evidence.



You’re welcome.

They're dumbazzes

Source?

Completely different question. Of course you have to do that since you cant answer

Having fun OP?


Only because I literally have this study open in a tab.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/ejhf.2978




^^^
Myocardial damage in 1 out of 35.

Heard that the ONLY way this would be considered an acceptable risk for a medical product or treatment would be if the alternative was certain death.
The shots were originally meant to be a series of 10. They would like to make mrna injections a subscription model of vaccinations where everyone is required to get annual updates.

And it is an absolutely horrible idea because we know that the immune system can become exhausted. That would be true even if their witches' brew were "safe and effective".
Oh c'mon GOO. It helps somewhat for 3 months and then it goes negative and makes you worse off, while at NO TIME does it prevent infection or illness so how could it possibly prevent "an observed risk of heart problems which you might get from covid" if it doesn't prevent you from contracting covid?

It's absolutely transparent flim flam.

In on jabbie cope thread.

all the stupid jabheads are brainwashed you can tell it altered something in their barely functioning brain.

you can't prove it cause even if 6 million people died right now at this very moment you could still say "there is no proof that's from the injection"

you took the shot but the "burden of proof" is on you lmao.

A dose of Moderna’s Covid jab injured the hearts of about 3 percent of people who received it, Swiss researchers have found.

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1002/ejhf.2978

The vaccinated people did not show obvious signs of heart damage. But when researchers ran blood tests three days after the jabs, they found high levels of troponin, a protein the heart releases when it is injured, in many recipients.


“Subclinical mRNA vaccine-associated myocardial injury is much more common than estimated based on passive surveillance,” the researchers concluded. The paper was published last week in the peer-reviewed European Journal of Heart Failure.


Over 1 billion people have received mRNA jabs. The study suggests tens of millions of them may have suffered heart damage - and don’t even know they’ve been hurt.


The researchers conducted the tests on 777 employees at University Hospital Basel, one of Switzerland’s top medical centers, from December 2021 through February 2022.
The employees had already been scheduled to receive mRNA boosters and were asked if they would undergo a blood test for troponin levels three days later.


In other words, the researchers conducted “active surveillance” on them to trace potential side effects, as opposed to “passive surveillance” vaccine safety systems like the federal government’s VAERS, which depend on patients or doctors to report problems.


The Moderna vaccinees were a healthy group, with an average age of 37 and few preexisting heart problems. About 70 percent were women.
But post-jab blood tests found that 40 of the jab recipients had highly elevated troponin levels, above the 99th percentile for average women or men. About five times as many people had extremely high troponin as should have in a random sample.


After the scientists removed anyone with a plausible non-jab explanation, 22 people - or 1 in 35 of those they tested - remained injured by the Moderna jab.


The study contained another striking finding.
The researchers reported that 20 of the injured recipients were women, while only two were men. Even adjusting for the fact that more women were tested, women were almost five times as likely to have elevated troponin.


Many large studies have shown that young men are at the highest risk from mRNA-caused myocarditis and pericarditis, or acute heart inflammation, following the jabs. But this study suggests women may be suffering more subtle damage.


Unlike organs such as the liver, the heart cannot regenerate dead muscle tissue. So even a minor cardiac injury can raise the risk for problems years later. In 2016, a long-term study found that people whose troponin levels rose over time had a much higher risk of heart failure and death.


The researchers referred to the damage as “transient.”

That view was somewhat optimistic. The scientists conducted only one follow-up troponin test on the injured people, a day after the first test. The second test showed that many of them, especially those with the highest troponin levels in the first test, had only small declines in their troponin levels.


Without further tests, no one can be sure the declines continued, or how quickly - if ever - troponin levels returned to normal.


In their discussion, the researchers noted that this is the third - and largest - study using blood tests shortly after vaccination to examine post-mRNA heart injury. (The two previous studies took place in Israel and Thailand.) All three papers have shown far higher rates of damage than “passive surveillance” vaccine safety systems.



“Additional active surveillance studies are needed,” they wrote.




https://open.substack.com/pub/alexbe..._campaign=post




https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/a...4/2234/7188747


But South Korean researchers just offered powerful evidence that the #DiedSuddenly phenomenon is real. The researchers reported on sudden deaths from mRNA-caused myocarditis in people under 45. Even though seven deaths came within three days of the jabs, none were linked before autopsies.
And the Korean researchers were not alone. Two previous and until now unreported studies offer even stronger evidence that the mRNAs caused thousands of sudden or very quick deaths from cardiovascular catastrophes in people under 50.


Both studies were published months ago in respected, peer-reviewed journals but have received little attention. Not surprisingly, both were conducted by researchers outside the United States, where questions about mRNA dangers are nearly taboo for academic researchers.
In the first study, the associate director of the Tokyo Medical Examiner’s Office led a team of pathologists who conducted 54 autopsies on adults who had died within 7 days of receiving a Covid jab.
They assessed causality strictly but still found a possible link between the mRNAs and seven of the deaths, including a huge cerebral hemorrhage in a 52-year-old man with no other serious health problems.
Put another way, the pathologists found about one in eight post-jab deaths they examined might be related to the shots.
Even more striking was the fact that the pathologists found myocarditis - likely from mRNA jabs - as the underlying cause of death in two out of the three deaths under age 40. (The third case under 40 also had some evidence of cardiac inflammation, but the pathologists said the link was uncertain.)


The second paper is even more striking, though it has received even less attention and been cited only once since it came out in January. Researchers in the Persian Gulf nation of Qatar reviewed each of the 138 deaths that had occurred in Qatar within 30 days of Covid vaccination from January 2021 through June 2022.
While the Japanese researchers had performed full autopsies, the Qataris used medical record reviews, a less labor-intensive way of assigning causation. But like the Japanese pathologists, the Qatar researchers also found many apparent mRNA deaths.
Using very strict criteria and including only deaths within 15 days of vaccination, the researchers classified 23 of the deaths as having a high or intermediate probability of being vaccine-caused. All 23 were sudden cardiac deaths or heart attacks. Nearly all occurred in people in under 50.
About 2.3 million people in Qatar were jabbed, so those 23 deaths represented a 1 in 100,000 risk of sudden death within 15 days of vaccine administration.




You’re welcome

All need to read this article and decide what percentage of "risk" is really a risk?

http://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/f...id-19-vaccines

The essence of right-wing politics - "Why should I have to do anything that may benefit anyone else, even if it costs me nothing and requires minimal effort?"

Because the more people were vaccinated, the less transmissible it was (even if you're young a healthy, the people you come in contact with may not be). Because it lessens the severity of COVID when you DO get it. Because the the effects of unmitigated COVID are far worse for your heart and other systems than the vaccine ever was/will be.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/...s-covid-deaths

"The study looked at deaths in both Florida and Ohio during the first 22 months of the pandemic and found the overall excess death rate of Republican voters was 15% higher than that of Democrats. The gap widened further once COVID-19 vaccines were introduced."

Republicans would rather die to "own the libs" rather than admit they're fearful and easily manipulated themselves, something they love to accuse the left of.

As usual, more accusations of the left falling for "propaganda" when their entire arguments are based on feels ("just look around"), falling for the baseless claims of right-wing talking heads like Tucker and Alex Jones (meanwhile, every one of them took the vaccine in a heartbeat) or at best misinterpreting/not understanding legitimate data.

Two things I think conservatives are right to bring up or debate, even though we don't agree on the cause/what to do about it:

Pharmaceutical companies do not have your best interest at heart. They are largely private companies trying to maximize profit instead of solving for the best treatments. It isn't a coincidence that it's alot more profitable to keep people needing regular "boosters" and occasional acute therapy than it is to create more effective vaccines or straight up cures. It's not a "big pharma" conspiracy, its a very foreseeable consequence of neoliberal politics. Keep them sick and need of a subscription-based re-ups, even better if we can buy patents from public research and even get subsidies from the government to do so!

It can be a worthy discussion about individual rights when it comes to government mandated lockdowns. What is best for public health and personal freedoms in the midst of a pandemic are at odds with each other. People WERE dying and the hospital system was overwhelmed (no slack in system, more private "efficiencies"). Just because it didn't meet your personal definition of lethal enough for your health/age whatever, doesn't mean it was a warrantless exercise.

Lmfao at people still claiming the injections reduced spread



“We have to protect the protected from the unprotected by making the unprotected get the protection that didn’t protect the protected from the unprotected in the first place!”

Just imagine being a mud blood fuking LMAO

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/heal...D19%20or%20not.

Yes, evidence continues to indicate that getting a COVID-19 vaccine is the best protection against getting COVID-19, whether you have already had COVID-19 or not.Nov 1, 2022

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A study published in August 2021 indicates that if you had COVID-19 before and are not vaccinated, your risk of getting reinfected is more than two times higher than for those who were infected and got vaccinated.
While evidence suggests there is some level of immunity for those who previously had COVID, it is not known how long you are protected from getting COVID-19 again. Plus, the level of immunity provided by the vaccines after having COVID-19 is higher than the level of immunity for those who had COVID but were not subsequently vaccinated.
Getting vaccinated provides greater protection to others since the vaccine helps reduce the spread of COVID-19.


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Idk about information suggesting it ever makes you worse off. Is that true?

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Your link says 'mild and transient, more common in women. Suggest further study'.

They've found a lot of evidence about the relative risk for hospitalization and death being higher without vaccinations. And millions have taken these. If it were dangerous compared to the benefits, it would have been found out by now wouldn't it?

BTW OP was suggesting dangers to heart from getting covid itself, which is reduced in vaccinated population because people with vaccines have it for less time, less severe, and less likely to spread.

Surely you accept that the number crunchers do actually know how to do their job? They are mean or something? They're just guessing?

Wasn’t this dismissed in the r/p? Did you ever reply back.

And this still doesn’t address the OP

The only covid RCT we have is the first one from pfizer that shows 4 heart attack deaths in the jabbed group, and 1 in the placebo....

Adverse events following COVID‐19 mRNA vaccines: A systematic review of cardiovascular complication, thrombosis, and thrombocytopenia
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10022421/
Published online 2023 Mar 17. doi: 10.1002/iid3.807

but but but the election was stolen!!!

OP is on that HARD COPE. LMAO. he got vaxxed and hasn't been the same since. good ****

Does the provaxxers really believe corporations that have paid out hundreds of billions of dollars in lawsuits for the harm/deaths that their products have caused. Have suddenly created a flawless product that's 'safe and effective' even though it hasn't gone through the same time-frame of studies/tests/approvals as other drugs that have gotten approved for human use?




We really won't have 'evidence' one way or the other until we have another 8-10 years of research/studies.




Meanwhile a bunch of people that were forced to get vaccinated for their sport/organization/job are getting myocarditis. Lmao.

Holee fuk.....there are people among us that still believe this.