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post 1687726783 08-03-2023, 05:23 PM
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Is there a US military intervention that you think was fully justified?

Aside from WW2, usually the first gulf war, stopping the genocide of the kosovans, korea, panama, are cited

Related nation building in SK, Japan also too

Or is it always necessarily evil?
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post 1687730933 08-03-2023, 06:34 PM
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We should've not BS'd around and invaded Cuba in 1961 instead of the Bay of Pigs disaster. Mind blowing we've allowed an enemy regime 90 miles from our border for so long.

Iraq War was justified because Israel is the number 1 priority in US foreign policy.
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Originally Posted By metroins
All of them.

I'm pro war as long as I don't have to go.
You could be a member of Congress with that attitude.
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You could be a member of Congress with that attitude.
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Afghanistan
Anyone who says they were always against going in is lying their ass off.
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Originally Posted By AlfBundy
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Congratulations on strong reading skills.

If our arsehole politicians stopped sending our kids into your wars I might be more ambivalent about America's forever war.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
The only action justifiable would have been a short - one to three month - jaunt into Afghanistan to clean up any one who supported Bin Laden, if we are to believe the narrative around 9-11. Out by the end of 2001. That's it.
Even Ron Paul voted for the Afghanistan War.
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Korea was absolutely NOT justified and was a crime against humanity. SK may be a democracy today, but it wasn't during the war and for several decades after. It was a fascist cesspit.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
Even Ron Paul voted for the Afghanistan War.
The Afghanistan war was also unjustified. Omar would have tried Bin Laden there, and we could have worked with him to handle the terrorists. There was no reason to invade.
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Gulf war was also because we gave Saddam the green light. There has not been a single lawful and just US intervention since WW2, and even in WW2, we committed some extraordinary atrocities. They just paled in comparison to Germany or Japan.

None of them were necessary. All were evil. All were used to secure more wealth and power for capitalist pigs.
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Originally Posted By HaiMeesk
Afghanistan
Anyone who says they were always against going in is lying their ass off.
We were bamboozled about it at the start. Speaking of that back in 2008 one of my relatives strongly supported Obama, saying Obama was going to get us out of Afghanistan. I mentioned how Obama said he'd increase troop size there, then showed my relative. After a few seconds of silence he switched to "well we have to do that because....." It was truly Orwellian to see the complete switch in real time.
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Against the Bosnia in the mid 90s. The Europeans were standing around with their thumbs in each other's asses, because they knew their protector would get it done.
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
We were bamboozled about it at the start. Speaking of that back in 2008 one of my relatives strongly supported Obama, saying Obama was going to get us out of Afghanistan. I mentioned how Obama said he'd increase troop size there, then showed my relative. After a few seconds of silence he switched to "well we have to do that because....." It was truly Orwellian to see the complete switch in real time.
The thing is by that point it was a true mess. If we just cut and left, it would have been a disaster. This is the problem with interventions. You need to actually be installing a functional and stable government. Most of the US' nation building projects failed.
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4
We should've not BS'd around and invaded Cuba in 1961 instead of the Bay of Pigs disaster. Mind blowing we've allowed an enemy regime 90 miles from our border for so long.

Iraq War was justified because Israel is the number 1 priority in US foreign policy.
I am kinda surprised the US never did take over Cuba before Territorial land grabs stopped being politically correct to do. The same way Russia just kinda took Crimea and now parts of Ukraine, we could have easily just laid claim to Cuba decades ago.
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Originally Posted By Contribution05
I am kinda surprised the US never did take over Cuba before Territorial land grabs stopped being politically correct to do. The same way Russia just kinda took Crimea and now parts of Ukraine, we could have easily just laid claim to Cuba decades ago.
Well, there must be a reason that you didn't.
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not since the revolutionary war

a lot of people don't know this but the only reason the USA joined WW1 was because of the balfour declaration (the agreement between Rothschilds and the British crown) which created Israel

England was getting their asses kicked by the Germans, so a few zionist jews from Germany went to the British and made a deal - they would get America into the war to help them fight the Germans.
In exchange, they wanted some land in Palestine which is current day Israel.

without this deal the British would have had to make peace deals with Germany, and WW2 would not have happened.
Well, it may have happened given that the British would still be sour over Germany being a super power, who nose


The document was put into writing after America joined.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
The only action justifiable would have been a short - one to three month - jaunt into Afghanistan to clean up any one who supported Bin Laden, if we are to believe the narrative around 9-11. Out by the end of 2001. That's it.
Yes, and let us not forget the absolute clown show clusterfukk that was the withdrawal under Biden that was outright criminal. Mothers werethrowing their babies over walls with razor wirejust out of desperation to get them the hell out of the coming storm from the Taliban.

Funny how the US media completely glossed overthat.





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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
The only action justifiable would have been a short - one to three month - jaunt into Afghanistan to clean up any one who supported Bin Laden, if we are to believe the narrative around 9-11. Out by the end of 2001. That's it.
This is the correct answer. The only justifiable interventions are those targeted at enemies who have directly attacked us. Afghanistan in 2001 fits the bill since AQ/OBL were there and the Taliban was protecting them. The whole thing went off the rails when OBL escaped Tora Bora in Dec '01 after we had him cornered and then W turned pivoted to Iraq and the Coalition of the Killing.
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Nothing since WW2. Trump was the only one not to continue the trend, so he had to go, and theyre trying to keeping him out with some far fetched legal theory
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
The only action justifiable would have been a short - one to three month - jaunt into Afghanistan to clean up any one who supported Bin Laden, if we are to believe the narrative around 9-11. Out by the end of 2001. That's it.
uh the dropping of the MOAB on Afghanistan was justifiable as well
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
This is the correct answer. The only justifiable interventions are those targeted at enemies who have directly attacked us. Afghanistan in 2001 fits the bill since AQ/OBL were there and the Taliban was protecting them. The whole thing went off the rails when OBL escaped Tora Bora in Dec '01 after we had him cornered and then W turned pivoted to Iraq and the Coalition of the Killing.
EXCEPT the US doesnt even agree with you on that, hence why they let the CIA take the lead...
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Originally Posted By frankdtank20
We were bamboozled about it at the start. Speaking of that back in 2008 one of my relatives strongly supported Obama, saying Obama was going to get us out of Afghanistan. I mentioned how Obama said he'd increase troop size there, then showed my relative. After a few seconds of silence he switched to "well we have to do that because....." It was truly Orwellian to see the complete switch in real time.
2004 was the year I quit the Democratic party and voted Libertarian for the first time. W f'ed everything up by going to Iraq instead of focusing on AQ and lying to the world to justify it. I wanted us out, but instead of promising a withdrawal, John Kerry was running onescalatingthe war (remember the "reporting for duty" at the Dem convention and his promised "troop surge"?) while simultaneously trashing the war. I wanted no part of them anymore. They were no better than the current sociopaths at the time. Michael Badnarik was running on cutting taxes and getting out of Iraq immediately. I was all about that.
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Originally Posted By Jayarbie
2004 was the year I quit the Democratic party and voted Libertarian for the first time. W f'ed everything up by going to Iraq instead of focusing on AQ and lying to the world to justify it. I wanted us out, but instead of promising a withdrawal, John Kerry was running onescalatingthe war (remember the "reporting for duty" at the Dem convention and his promised "troop surge"?) while simultaneously trashing the war. I wanted no part of them anymore. They were no better than the current sociopaths at the time. Michael Badnarik was running on cutting taxes and getting out of Iraq immediately. I was all about that.
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Originally Posted By ToPHeR35
Nothing since WW2. Trump was the only one not to continue the trend, so he had to go, and theyre trying to keeping him out with some far fetched legal theory
Trump escalated the war in Yemen in much the same way as Biden is in Ukraine. It just got very little attention.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002
no, CIA were dropping the MOAB on potential fighters who were two years old when 9-11 happened.
fixed again

*also bonus fact: on 9/11 US only had 2, yes 2, reaper drones!
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