Sure, just thought it was odd you didn’t correct him when you are usually adamant about speaking up when people say things about the subject that you disagree with.

If you prefer to try to turn the discussion to discussants rather than make an argument yourself and defend it, that's fine by me

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers....act_id=4474215https://erictopol.substack.com/p/preventing-long-covid





supreme leader eric topol is unstoppable.

The White House still hasn’t taken back the president’s remarks, guess the meant it this time.

I guess we should treat a child's arm like a pin cushion then, for his own good.....

Well, had the Rona twice, and didn't take any meds. When I was in a car accident, took some ibuprofen for a few days, but that was about it.

You keep popping your pills though, stupid ****, it's the only thing keeping you alive which is actually......... SAD.

Like Remdeathisnear amirite?

Yet again, conspiracy theory turns out to be just a spoiler alert

Oh man, I bet this new variant is gonna cause some tasty jams to drop! I can't WAIT!

Gotta love this guy's spin.

What the CDC said "BA.2.86 may be more capable of causing infection inpeople who have previously had COVID-19 or who have received COVID-19 vaccines."

https://www.cdc.gov/respiratory-viru...9-variant.html

Aren’t there papers already showing the more covid vaccines you get , the more likely you’ll be infected

Lol @ mudbloods

Why don't you eighteen us about what is sooooo dangerous about this new weak variant. Problem is, you can't even answer if Omicron is more or less severe than Delta......

Not according to Nutsy the boot-licker......

No. There was a recent case of a table 2 fallacy circulating on social media tho

Yes there is. Its fuked up lmao.

So if I never had the vaccines, I am good?

More than likely that is the case. It wasn't just the Cleveland Clinic study that accidentally discovered more vaccines more infection. JLC loves to mention 'table 2 fallacy' because the term makes it sound like it shows no correlation, but that isn't the case. A table 2 fallacy doesn't mean the data doesn't show causation, it means the more vaccines the more infection correlation they discovered accidentally could have additional confounding factors for more jabs more infection. A table 2 fallacy doesn't mean there's no connection, it simply means more study that tries to eliminate confounding factors must be done.

The Cleveland Clinic study was from 2022, and here's an important meta analysis from 2023
From the journal 'Vaccines':


"However, emerging evidence suggests that the reported increase in IgG4 levels detected after repeated vaccination with the mRNA vaccines may not be a protective mechanism; rather, it constitutes an immune tolerance mechanism to the spike protein thatcould promote unopposed SARS-CoV2 infection and replication by suppressing natural antiviral responses.Increased IgG4 synthesis due to repeated mRNA vaccination with high antigen concentrations may also cause autoimmune diseases, and promote cancer growth and autoimmune myocarditis in susceptible individuals.


Specifically, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) in the United Kingdom has reported that from April to mid-November 2021, deaths in unvaccinated people were higher in comparison with vaccinated people who had received a second vaccine dose.However, from the end of November 2021 to December 2022, this situation reverted: deaths were higher in vaccinated people who received a third vaccine dose compared with the unvaccinated [8]. Moreover, a recent work investigated a probable relationship between COVID-19 vaccination uptake in Europe in 2021 and monthly excess all-cause mortality in 2022; that is, mortality was higher than before the pandemic. All-cause mortality during the first 9 months of 2022 increased more in countries with higher 2021 vaccination uptake, according to analyses of 31 countries estimated by population size; a one percentage point increase in 2021 vaccination uptake was associated with a monthly mortality increase in 2022 of 0.105% (95% CI, 0.075–0.134). The relationship remained strong after adjusting for alternative factors[9]."
https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/11/5/991



So:
-getting fully vaccinated before November 2021 lead to less deaths and serious illness
-since Omicron the jabs don't have any additional benefit
-in countries where booster jabs are happening there's overall higher mortality even when eliminating other factors
-the repeated boosters may be causing more cancer, more autoimmune disease, more Covid infection by reducing natural immune responses

-if you got double jabbed in 2021 don't get more jabs.

I have no idea how to eighteen anybody

This is the table 2 fallacy

"A “Table 2 Fallacy,” as coined by Westreich and Greenland, reports multiple adjusted effect estimates from a single model. This practice, which remains common in published literature, can be problematic when different types of effect estimates are presented together in a single table."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6103824

Maybe if you also haven't been infected?

The point is that the number of mutations in the new variant facilitates immune escape.

I wish we could all come together, as brahs, and be friends again. Especially considering we all should know by now, that regardless of which side of the aisle you're on, nobody in Washington gives a crap about any of us. Not biden, not Trump, not desantis, not Romney, none of them. Really wish we could unite like we used to be back in the day.

People are usually only united during a war, and the beginning of a war.

So, if I haven't been infected and haven't been vaccinated, I am less likely to become infected by this new one? So my natural immune system will do a better job fighting this off than the immune system of someone who has been vaccinated.

Sounds like any facilitation of immune escape is now a vaccinated persons problem, not mine. Also sounds like the previous rounds of vaccinations effectively did damage to the immune system.

Coal-Bert gonna tell us to get vaxxed up again?

Well there seems to be a war on the average American, we should unite

You think people realize this? You have people believing that having more rights taken away is the answer.

If that's what you want to take from it, I can see how that would provide feeling secure

The "new" one most discussed now has likely been circulating for several months already. The previous dominant variant (XXB), around for a year infected most of the population already and ran up against plenty of immunity, so its infections have been fading for all of 2023. The "new" variant is merely picking up the torch after the prior dominant variant burned itself out.

You aren't very old and with lots of serious health complications so there's no good reason to start getting jabbed now. A lot of the infections are completely asymptomatic and most of the rest are so mild (easily confused with allergies) that there's a high chance you've been infected twice by now, whether you knew it or not. It's a big nothingburger unless you're very old and have multiple, serious preexisting conditions, aka someone that needs to worry more about catching seasonal flu which of course is much more deadly but less infectious.

When people talk about long-Covid and such be sure to notice they present data the muddies pre-Omicron and Omicron infections. People in positions of power do this as well, in hopes of keeping the $$$ flow to Pfizer and Moderna going.

Ahh the narrative:

Covid is not now, and never was, any cause for concern. Dindu nuffin to nobody who matters.

Masks and vaccines are cause for grave concern, they rek errbody.

Not taking anything from it...is that not what the information says?