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post 1691444203 10-10-2023, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
The shabbos **** par excellence appears.


120 years of colnial settlement which was from the start described as a European colony
75 years of apartheid rule after wars of aggression financed and armed by the US and the Soviets.
16 years of being imprisoned in the worlds largest open air prison.

Repeated raids, murders, kidnappings, and so on, what were the Palestinians to do? Take more and be quiet? Or fight back by whatever means necessary?
Care to show me on a timeline when Palestine was not occupied?
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
So, Israel stopped bulldozing homes and setting up new settlements? Again, this aint one sided. Have we not learned form the Ukraine/Russia conflict how layered and complicated this is?
I've never said it's one sided, but can you imagine having to deal with Hamas/Palestine for 75 years? Extreme problems are going to have extreme solutions. I don't believe the bulldozing and kids being shot would've happened if Palestine was not constantly attacking Israel.

I don't believe the peace deal attempts were bs either. They were clearly stacked in Israel's favor but that's what happens when you win multiple wars. The fact that Palestine has never owned the land and were doing nothing with it before Israel existed makes it even more bizarre that they wouldn't just compromise and agree a deal. Bulldozers would've been a distant memory.

I'm not saying any of this is fair, all I know is that it needs to end one way or another.
Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
They didn't wake up one day but they have been doing it starting some 120 years ago. You are so ignorant and full of ****. You really are doing the mental gymnastics or is it that you really lack the capability to understand some rather simple facts of the matter?

What should people do who are in the largest open air prison in the world for 16 years and who are the heirs of 75 years of formal apartheid and the heirs of 120 years of a colonial settlement project that viewed them from the start as objects to be exploited and killed if desired? What should they do?
They should leave the goats alone
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
What exactly does Israel's tech sector have to do with a debate about the genesis of killing and conflict? Seems unrelated to the discussion.
Read the thread, dabb.
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Not decapiting infants would have been a good start.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Read the thread, dabb.
He's a sub 90 IQ troll. Don't eat the bait.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
It will never end. All the children in gaza today will be the new fighters in fifteen years. It's never ending cycle.
Exactly - that's why kill em all is the only true strat.
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
Go ahead address the most fundamental aspect and the very root of the issue. Why do you zionists avoid it every single time? You shabbos **** are even worse than the jewish zionists.
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Israel is Jewish ISIS and they're backed by American extremists. The Gazans are at the mercy of psychopaths.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. The US is a declining power, their cities are falling apart at thee seems. They can only fund foreign wars for so long.
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Originally Posted By PimpinisEasy⏩
Israel is Jewish ISIS and they're backed by American extremists. The Gazans are at the mercy of psychopaths.

There is light at the end of the tunnel. The US is a declining power, their cities are falling apart at thee seems. They can only fund foreign wars for so long.


Here's your "people", Paki.
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
Care to show me on a timeline when Palestine was not occupied?
Again you you guys try to dodge the most crucial point the actual root of this problem--when european jews who were members of the zionist movement started moving to Palestine and brought with them the zionist ideology. The start of a european colony with the intention of taking the land and making the inhabitants a servant class that was to be exploited to any extent. Do not dodge the that which is the start of this whole thing and leads to the formal apartheid the zionist terrorism and so on.
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Originally Posted By dabbmw2002⏩
Thats what I thought.
Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Go ahead address the most fundamental aspect and the very root of the issue. Why do you zionists avoid it every single time? You shabbos **** are even worse than the jewish zionists.
From the thread:
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If the Palestinian people wanted peace, they would have it.


Like it's been stated, they dont want peace. They elected Hamas.

"address the issue" "thats what i thought"

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you guys posting the picture of that girl--now post the pictures of all the Palestinians that have been killed over the last 120, 75, and 16 years respectively. Post pictures of the raids and kidnappings of Palestinians...you know the thousands that are held in in Israeli detention centers with no charge no trial and no visit from anyone family or humanitarian agnecy for months to years--go ahead post some of those pictures.
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[QUOTE=LMAOatVatniks post_id=1691445703][img]https://data.ibtimes.sg/en/full/70

Here's your "people", Paki.[/QUOTE]I like Pakistanis, I hate Americans.

Not sure why you'd call me Paki... just don't call me American.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
you guys posting the picture of that girl--now post the pictures of all the Palestinians that have been killed over the last 120, 75, and 16 years respectively. Post pictures of the raids and kidnappings of Palestinians...you know the thousands that are held in in Israeli detention centers with no charge no trial and no visit from anyone family or humanitarian agnecy for months to years--go ahead post some of those pictures.
bu bu bub whatabout!!!
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Originally Posted By BullittEV⏩
From the thread:





Like it's been stated, they dont want peace. They elected Hamas.

"address the issue" "thats what i thought"

cringe.
If the zionists wanted peace they would stop the apartheid the blockade the violent raids the kidnappings...the terrorism going back so long They would return the stolen land and finances but the zionists do not want peace they never have and never will seek peace. The media is dominated by them so you get that absurd bizarro world version of what is happening (the opposite).
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Originally Posted By LMAOatVatniks⏩
bu bu bub whatabout!!!
You're an extremist and a psychopath.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Again you you guys try to dodge the most crucial point the actual root of this problem--when european jews who were members of the zionist movement started moving to Palestine and brought with them the zionist ideology. The start of a european colony with the intention of taking the land and making the inhabitants a servant class that was to be exploited to any extent. Do not dodge the that which is the start of this whole thing and leads to the formal apartheid the zionist terrorism and so on.
Yes, totally. We know this is true from how Israel was respecting the UN's partition plan and was attacked by the Arabs. That totally shows that Israel was planning an apartheid state from the start. Further evidence for this theory is that Israel is 20% Arab/Muslim today and those people enjoy equal rights. Total apartheid terrorist state.
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Yes, totally. We know this is true from how Israel was respecting the UN's partition plan and was attacked by the Arabs. That totally shows that Israel was planning an apartheid state from the start. Further evidence for this theory is that Israel is 20% Arab/Muslim today and those people enjoy equal rights. Total apartheid terrorist state.
Again making up stuff. The zionists were arming up from america and the soviets and they had just concluded a several decade long terror campaign against arabs and the british. Those arab regimes were puppet regimes that were as weak as a government could possibly be they were supported by western powers who were completely on board with the zionist project. The zionists were preparing for war they were the aggressors they invaded lands outside of the partition and started killing, rampaging, and destroying. You know that though. They were literally planning an apartheid state from the pre-ww1 era when the theorists of zionism were discussing how the land was to be cleared or cleansed. They are an apartheid state that has engaged in terrorism from the start. You know that though but you put on this moron act which is bizarre.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Again you you guys try to dodge the most crucial point the actual root of this problem--when european jews who were members of the zionist movement started moving to Palestine and brought with them the zionist ideology. The start of a european colony with the intention of taking the land and making the inhabitants a servant class that was to be exploited to any extent. Do not dodge the that which is the start of this whole thing and leads to the formal apartheid the zionist terrorism and so on.
You want to know the root of the problem?

The Ottoman Empire picked the wrong side during WW1... Wars have consequences... they lost

When the Muslims were unhappy with the terms they started a war... Wars have consequences... They lost.

When the boarder was fairly open the Muslims couldn't stop blowing chit up.

The west bank is such a trash place even other Muslims (Jordan) doesn't want them.
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Again making up stuff. The zionists were arming up from america and the soviets and they had just concluded a several decade long terror campaign against arabs and the british. Those arab regimes were puppet regimes that were as weak as a government could possibly be they were supported by western powers who were completely on board with the zionist project. The zionists were preparing for war they were the aggressors they invaded lands outside of the partition and started killing, rampaging, and destroying. You know that though. They were literally planning an apartheid state from the pre-ww1 era when the theorists of zionism were discussing how the land was to be cleared or cleansed. They are an apartheid state that has engaged in terrorism from the start. You know that though but you put on this moron act which is bizarre.
Pretty wild though how an apartheid terrorist state who wants to exploit Arabs and create a servant class out of them actually has 2,000,000 Arabs living in their country with equal rights. A bit strange, wouldn't you say?
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Originally Posted By Gainzzz⏩
Pretty wild though how an apartheid terrorist state who wants to exploit Arabs and create a servant class out of them actually has 2,000,000 Arabs living in their country with equal rights. A bit strange, wouldn't you say?
Imagine that you actually responding to the root causes and not dodging them. Those lower class citizens that were meant as a laboring class is your response to the Zionist colonial enterprise? To the apartheid regime? To the blockade and open air prison that is Gaza from 2007?
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
You want to know the root of the problem?

The Ottoman Empire picked the wrong side during WW1... Wars have consequences... they lost

When the Muslims were unhappy with the terms they started a war... Wars have consequences... They lost.

When the boarder was fairly open the Muslims couldn't stop blowing chit up.

The west bank is such a trash place even other Muslims (Jordan) doesn't want them.
The zionist colonizers and then the openly pro-zionist British mandatory government are the roots of the problem, as well as America and USSR financing and arming and running political cover for zionists to create an apartheid israel and then go on aggressive wars to seize even more land.

You are making up stuff too repeating zionist talking points. Ignoring the root of the problem:

120 years of colonial settlement which was from the start described as a European colony
75 years of apartheid rule after wars of aggression financed and armed by the US and the Soviets.
16 years of being imprisoned in the worlds largest open air prison.

Repeated raids, murders, kidnappings, and so on, what were the Palestinians to do? Take more and be quiet? Or fight back by whatever means necessary?
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
Imagine that you actually responding to the root causes and not dodging them. Those lower class citizens that were meant as a laboring class is your response to the Zionist colonial enterprise? To the apartheid regime? To the blockade and open air prison that is Gaza from 2007?
Is your hair purple by any chance?
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Originally Posted By MasterMorality⏩
The zionist colonizers and then the openly pro-zionist British mandatory government are the roots of the problem, as well as America and USSR financing and arming and running political cover for zionists to create an apartheid israel and then go on aggressive wars to seize even more land.
Interesting reading of history there...

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The Gazans can only fight... they will fight and they have low tech weapons... but dont worry hezbollah will bring the storm on the Israeli scum.
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