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post 1694416173 12-05-2023, 03:03 PM
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I'm not sure many entry level jobs start at six figures though unless you're in a tech hub like SF or NYC
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your total comp can be way over 6 figures if you have the degree from the right school
post 1694416693 12-05-2023, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k
Damn bro..

Are you a six figure web developer?

Do you have an undergrad in comp sci?

I have an undergrad in finance..

Is 3 hrs per day enough time to devote to studying??

I make around 5-10k a month after tax trading stocks online..

I wanted to create a back end program to automate my trades, but I fear it will take years to develop..

Being a profitable trader plus being a software developer would be alpha as fuk.
You know there are quants getting paid half a million dollars a year and have a dozen research papers written who do the same thing? Also, they run on state of the art hardware and not your porn machine
Originally Posted By miscerForLulz
why not notepad then...and compile via cmd line
I do use notepad sometimes when I need to make small configuration changes and can't be bothered to open up a heavier application like vscode or an IDE. But if I'm going to write code, then it's IDE all the way. I mostly develop in java though, so it might be that vscode vs Visual Studio debate is more nuanced.
Originally Posted By Swaggod9k
Thats cool bro throw the resume in the trash. there's hundreds of other job listings..

There's alot of success stories on reddit of people landing 6 figure jobs being self taught..

What if you saw on my resume I have an undergrad in finance, years of experience in accounting and insurance. Plus I'm a self taught coder?

You wouldn't call me for an interview brah?
There's success stories but most people don't make it. Reddit means jack ****, a lot of people struggle and all you hear are the success stories, not the guys who flame out.

The degree in finance is a plus. I'd consider you with a proper degree in a real major (not women's studies). Takes you from a "get rich quick" loser who thinks coding is easy money to someone who might be looking for a career change.
Originally Posted By Swaggod9k
Good advice bro..

I have an undergrad in finance.

Would never put bootcamp in my resume.

Under skills I would put the languages I know and stack I've learned.

As well as show them a portfolio of websites or apps I may have created if they decide to call me.
Bootcamp is probably better than self-taught and isn't the worst when combined with a proper degree like finance. Though I hear people go to an accredited bootcamp?
Originally Posted By Swaggod9k
I wanted to create an algorithmic trading software to automate my stock trading. It sounds complicated as fuk tho, and I'm already pretty profitable manually..

Ive heard banks spend millions to hire a team of developers to successfully create algorithims to trade in the live capital markets..

I've heard of retail traders with compsci background doing this and making millions.

I've also heard it's better to just do it manually and focus on a few equities during the day
Instead of creating an algorithim to scan for 100s of stocks..

So i was thinking of learning front end and getting a six figure job for extra income and trading from 6:30am to 9:30am like I normally do..
You're not doing this. Banks aren't hiring quants imo. It's the hedge funds and companies like jane street that you're fighting again. You're competing against autists getting 500k+ a year, doctorates, and a dozen published papers with FAANG as a backup job.
Originally Posted By coast2coastam
To the OP: You're going to have to fight this sort of mentality for your first job, so don't get discouraged. The first job is the most difficult to get, I wouldn't even care if it pays low. Once you're in it gets a million times easier moving forward.
It's not a mentality. If there's 10 guys with degrees or experience if the job isn't some monkey job... Why would I pick the guy with no degree and no experience?
post 1694416853 12-05-2023, 03:20 PM
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^^ Pretty much this. MIT geniuses own this space. You arent just making an algo to trade the market you are also making an algo to compete with other algos
post 1694417083 12-05-2023, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Swaggod9k
Damn bro..

Are you a six figure web developer?

Do you have an undergrad in comp sci?

I have an undergrad in finance..

Is 3 hrs per day enough time to devote to studying??

I make around 5-10k a month after tax trading stocks online..

I wanted to create a back end program to automate my trades, but I fear it will take years to develop..

Being a profitable trader plus being a software developer would be alpha as fuk.
How did you learn to trade profitably

Learning to code at this point seems like a waste of time imo, why not just scale up your trades

As others have said it'll probably be hard to create an algorithm to compete with institutional traders

edit- also not sure how a $30 java, css, and html course would help you build an algorithm..
post 1694417203 12-05-2023, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed
It's not a mentality. If there's 10 guys with degrees or experience if the job isn't some monkey job... Why would I pick the guy with no degree and no experience?
It is what it is, the whole process is silly when companies cry about there not being enough people to do this stuff, but as you confirm here there are plenty of willing (and very likely able) people.
post 1694417333 12-05-2023, 03:30 PM
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LOL the days of 6 figures from a short bootcamp are OVER BOYO.

The tech industry is in the biggest downturn since the dot come bust.
post 1694417393 12-05-2023, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted By 6gorillion
LOL the days of 6 figures from a short bootcamp are OVER BOYO.

The tech industry is in the biggest downturn since the dot come bust.
The money now is in turning a business model into a technical model
post 1694417433 12-05-2023, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted By BDub85
The money now is in turning a business model into a technical model
true, but what I said is true as well.
post 1694417593 12-05-2023, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam
It is what it is, the whole process is silly when companies cry about there not being enough people to do this stuff, but as you confirm here there are plenty of willing (and very likely able) people.
that's not the case at all.

entry level is oversaturated with guys who think they can stroll in and make 6 figures off a 3 month bootcamp or being self-taught. l2code has literally become a meme because anyone thinks they can make 6 figs for little effort

furthermore, there's countless new grads who have been waiting on the sidelines because of the economy recession and many tech companies have made cuts in the last year or two as a result of economic circumstances. CS programs are consistently the hottest programs in the country and most companies have more than enough new grads to fill their junior needs. we've seen it get a lot harder to self-taught/bootcamp grads recently because of the economic situation.

companies don't cry that there aren't enough people. they cry there's not enough experienced people. juniors are a dime a dozen
post 1694417673 12-05-2023, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed
that's not the case at all.

entry level is oversaturated with guys who think they can stroll in and make 6 figures off a 3 month bootcamp or being self-taught. l2code has literally become a meme because anyone thinks they can make 6 figs for little effort

furthermore, there's countless new grads who have been waiting on the sidelines because of the economy recession and many tech companies have made cuts in the last year or two as a result of economic circumstances. CS programs are consistently the hottest programs in the country and most companies have more than enough new grads to fill their junior needs. we've seen it get a lot harder to self-taught/bootcamp grads recently because of the economic situation.

companies don't cry that there aren't enough people. they cry there's not enough experienced people. juniors are a dime a dozen
And how you do you get experienced people?

The catch-22 of entry level programming jobs lol
post 1694417743 12-05-2023, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted By outfoxxed
that's not the case at all.

entry level is oversaturated with guys who think they can stroll in and make 6 figures off a 3 month bootcamp or being self-taught. l2code has literally become a meme because anyone thinks they can make 6 figs for little effort

furthermore, there's countless new grads who have been waiting on the sidelines because of the economy recession and many tech companies have made cuts in the last year or two as a result of economic circumstances. CS programs are consistently the hottest programs in the country and most companies have more than enough new grads to fill their junior needs. we've seen it get a lot harder to self-taught/bootcamp grads recently because of the economic situation.

companies don't cry that there aren't enough people. they cry there's not enough experienced people. juniors are a dime a dozen
I think you just have to have something to stand out with, for me having a background in finance means i can translate technical terms to business terms for stakeholders which is always a win in an interview.
post 1694417773 12-05-2023, 03:39 PM
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Entry market is insanely over saturated at the moment since many developers got laid off and are now also looking for jobs. Why hire somebody with 0 experience when you can get a 2-5 year guy willing to work for the same pay?

Your best bet is to go for a masters or bachelor degree and hope in a year or two the market looks better
post 1694418253 12-05-2023, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted By BDub85
I think you just have to have something to stand out with, for me having a background in finance means i can translate technical terms to business terms for stakeholders which is always a win in an interview.
Any degree in a non-joke major is a help honestly. background in finance already is really good, I know guys with degrees in stuff like math, physics and other areas that transitioned to CS. some of them did a CS master and others just took their degree and pivoted to SWE.

Either way, a STEM degree is always good. Finance is probably pretty close to STEM even if it's not technically STEM.
Originally Posted By coast2coastam
And how you do you get experienced people?

The catch-22 of entry level programming jobs lol
Well we have new grads and like I mentioned... CS programs are some of the hottest in the country. So in theory, those are the guys getting the relatively fewer junior positions.
post 1694418343 12-05-2023, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted By coast2coastam
And how you do you get experienced people?

The catch-22 of entry level programming jobs lol
By entering graduate schemes, this is why a CS degree makes finding a programming job much easier. Once you've got experience it doesn't matter, but it gets your foot in the door to obtain said experience, so you can earn more money.
post 1694418373 12-05-2023, 03:53 PM
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I just watched this video, came on misc and there was your thread OP.

Posting it because I think you'll find it useful.

There is but one path....we kill them all.
post 1694418613 12-05-2023, 03:58 PM
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Anyone proficient in Go? Its my fav language
post 1694419533 12-05-2023, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen
This isn't even a bit true. Javascript has always been the front end, but it's dying in favour of the JS frameworks like react, node, and angular.

But the back end, especially for enterprise apps has been java for the longest time and still is. Most large companies are using a Spring boot backend, which is a java framework. Many companies seek experienced Spring developers, and it's not an oversaturated technology like the JS frontend boot camp gang, but it also requires a deeper understanding of CS fundamentals.
Node is a runtime, and react is a library. Neither are frameworks..

Lol at front end devs not being able to even make sense of their own ****ing tools
post 1694419653 12-05-2023, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted By pussyNmoney
also, how do i get a job RIGHT NOW as a programmer?
the most entriest level of entry level jobs, rn?
Freelance if you can, pro bono work to show you can do the duties of a green dev
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Originally Posted By RedInsectNProud
Node is a runtime, and react is a library. Neither are frameworks..

Lol at front end devs not being able to even make sense of their own ****ing tools
I'm a 'full stack' dev, but primarily backend (java/Spring), and i use an angular frontend.
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Originally Posted By TappingTheZen
I'm a 'full stack' dev, but primarily backend (java/Spring), and i use an angular frontend.
eww
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It's going to be really hard to break into, since you don't have a degree or experience

There's so much chit you need to learn to be productive on the job:
- data structures and algorithms
- shell scripting (awk, sed, tr, grep, etc)
- cloud services like AWS (cloudformation, VPCs, security groups, IAM, and like a million other things)
- strong SQL (not just the basics like joins, but window functions and recursive CTEs)
- knowledge of database workings (transactions, row vs table locking, quorum reads, sharding, eventual consistency, etc)
- all the popular frontend frameworks and libraries (react, redux, graphQL, nextjs) and stuff like code splitting, bundling and accessibility
- CSS and styling (how the browser does layout and flow and positioning)
- other random chit about the browser (CORS, how it does layout and paint trees, request waterfalls)
- networking stuff like DNS

And this is only the tip of the iceberg

But the good news is, you learn all this chit, you can get your 400k/year remote job
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Originally Posted By BDub85
eww
eww indeed, fukk microsoft but at least c# is a pleasant language to work with compared to java

If the stars were aligned rust would be crowned king in the enterprise domain, but that may take a while to come to fruition
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Originally Posted By RedInsectNProud
eww indeed, fukk microsoft but at least c# is a pleasant language to work with compared to java

If the stars were aligned rust would be crowned king in the enterprise domain, but that may take a while to come to fruition
Rust and Golang are the tits
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Right now, coding for porn apps are the new hot thing.

Men are going to be lonely the next couple of years.

If you can code a girlfriend OP, you can make 6 figs easy.
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Originally Posted By LuigiMiami631
Right now, coding for porn apps are the new hot thing.

Men are going to be lonely the next couple of years.

If you can code a girlfriend OP, you can make 6 figs easy.
My first job was with Chaturbate
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Should also be doing this:https://adventofcode.com/

Granted this year seems to be harder than previous years, but should be able to eat these problems for breakfast up to day 15 or so
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this too

https://www.crackingthecodinginterview.com/
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Originally Posted By BDub85
My first job was with Chaturbate
Exactly.

Porn is top tier industry, they are always in need of that.

Plus if you can find a way to maximize the experience, profits in and out of the ass.

That is why the virtual porn is going crazy. Wait until AI porn becomes more popular than GTA 6, going to be bigger than inflation.
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I am starting to code. I like it. I'm nearly 12 years in my career though - electrical engineer.

I'm giving myself 18 months to seriously code and learn a lot of different things and hopefully break in somewhere in NYC. Is that feasible?
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