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post 1696029123 01-07-2024, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
And you are also being dishonest and making outright false claims. Which doctors recommend against them? i have seen arguments against BOOSTING for certain age groups. That is distinct from a primary course vaccination. Again, you confuse basic terms. I have zero emotional investment in this. I am waiting for decent arguments.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
My doctor recommended that I don’t get it. 100% srs.
post 1696029263 01-07-2024, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
OK. A simple google search reveals this:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/

And there are several other such papers exploring the myocarditis risk for the vaccines vs the virus. You are misinterpreting the report. Listing side effects and recommendations doesn't change anything about what the increase is relative to.

If it isn't to baseline, what is it to, Paul?
You made a claim about the report, I can post studies all day long regarding the clotshot and myocarditis. Again, you made a claim..back it up. Why is this so hard for you?
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Again, you haven't answered my question.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
Sorry, you're an anti-vaxxer, **** off.
post 1696029463 01-07-2024, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted By ezmac31
Clown post from clown poster who locked grandma in the garage when she caught a cold. lol at you, clown
Always hilarious, sad, and pathetic when Benny tries to be smug......
post 1696029553 01-07-2024, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
I actually didn't make any claim about the report. You did. I tried to explain it to you. I have linked you evidence to support my point. You are claiming the vaccines are more dangerous than the virus. Why should I believe that. Pfizer doesn't say that. You misrepresented what Pfizer said.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
First off, I never claimed vaccines were more dangerous than the virus, ITT. I posted the warnings and side effects Pfizer directly released themselves. You've been trying to play whataboutism the entire time. Once again, their words are quite clear...

"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)"


You don't have to listen to me..that's why I posted what Pfizer is telling you for themselves.
post 1696029593 01-07-2024, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
I can. I can also imagine taking it on the recommendation of the scientific and medical community in order to minimize my risk of severe illness or death from the virus.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
it's too late for you to believe any of us

rest in pieces, brah srs

u saw a company with a 2.3B fraud judgment receive a blanket liability waiver and thought, you know what, i'm gonna trust their product lmao
Make Europe Germany Again
post 1696029653 01-07-2024, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted By Ratfish
can u imagine taking several doses of a rushed, experimental gene therapy manufactured by a company with a history of having paid the largest fine for fraud in history with tons of contamination in every shot because corporate media (that receives millions of dollars from that same corrupt company) spooked you lmao

and then on top of that, defending them for years after in order to cope frk

br00t
Just because it came out in nine months, doesn't mean it was rushed, just because everyone took the Pfizer jab the wrong way for over a year, doesn't mean it was rushed.
post 1696029713 01-07-2024, 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Interesting. Well, mine recommended I did, and all the top doctors in the country seemed to agree. Maybe you're lying. Or maybe you have a bad doctor. Oh well. That doesn't convince me to believe you.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
What happened to doctors who didn't go along with the narrative?
post 1696030033 01-07-2024, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
So is your claim that vaccines increase the risk of myocarditis relative to not taking the vaccine? That's fine. But did you account for this result from the paper I linked?

In this systematic review and meta-analysis, we found that the risk of myocarditis is more than seven fold higher in persons who were infected with the SARS-CoV-2 than in those who received the vaccine. These findings support the continued use of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines among all eligible persons per CDC and WHO recommendations.

Because if you do, it seems to me that the reocmmendations by the scientific and medical community still hold.
Stop pivoting. I have made no such claims. You made the claim about the paper Pfizer released, either you can back up your claim or not...

"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)"
post 1696030223 01-07-2024, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
First off, I never claimed vaccines were more dangerous than the virus, ITT. I posted the warnings and side effects Pfizer directly released themselves. You've been trying to play whataboutism the entire time. Once again, their words are quite clear...

"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)"


You don't have to listen to me..that's why I posted what Pfizer is telling you for themselves.
You did however claim in another thread that almost all vaccines cause more serious side effects then the diseases for which they confer acquired immunity. You said you'd come back with evidence, but never did.

A common theme 'round these parts.

post 1696030303 01-07-2024, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Yeah because of the scientific and medical evidence. Pfizer has had many products. Some of them work very well, and some were harmful.

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?
Some posters don't like the results of those reviews, therefore those reviews are invalid.


post 1696030363 01-07-2024, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Stop pivoting. I have made no such claims. You made the claim about the paper Pfizer released, either you can back up your claim or not...

"Authorized or approved mRNA COVID-19 vaccines show increased risks of myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)"
As do many other vaccines.
post 1696030373 01-07-2024, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
You did however claim in another thread that almost all vaccines cause more serious side effects then the diseases for which they confer acquired immunity. You said you'd come back with evidence, but never did.

A common theme 'round these parts.

what vaccines confirm immunity?
post 1696030423 01-07-2024, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
what vaccines confirm immunity?
Huh?
post 1696030733 01-07-2024, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
imagine injecting yourself with something rushed from a company known to commit fraud and cut corners on their products, who has immunity for their new product. this is how stupid the vast majority of human beings are. just loooool
on the plus side, they owned trump by taking it, even though it was his warp speed program
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post 1696031203 01-07-2024, 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted By TugOfPeace
imagine injecting yourself with something rushed from a company known to commit fraud and cut corners on their products, who has immunity for their new product. this is how stupid the vast majority of human beings are. just loooool
Just lol at not anti vaccine, only anti covid vaccine.

At least own your position
post 1696032143 01-07-2024, 04:52 PM
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Stops transmission
Oops, ok but it prevents serious illness and death
Oops, ok but it prevents death
Oops, Ok then, well we get to own the MAGAts at least
didn’t stop hospitalization/deathat all, either.
Australia: 86% vaccinated make up 94% deaths and 100% hospitalizations
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

post 1696032603 01-07-2024, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
Again, the discussion isn't about the alleged corruption of the medical community. I simply asked this:

Explain why I should believe any of you over the medical advice of our nation's most renowned experts on medicine and biology. Have any of you gone to medical school? Are any of you experts in immunology?

You have not made a convincing argument. On the other hand, there is a plethora of scientific evidence to support the scientific consensus on this matter. Again, why should I believe you?
You shouldn't? Why would you? Take everything in, make up your own mind.

On one hand you do have experts with expertise, which is something to consider. You should also consider the corrupt nature, particularly now, when it comes to pharmaceuticals, how historically it is incredibly easy to get these exact same experts to manipulate or twist things in order to ultimately make profit for objectively evil organizations. You're not going to deny that, are you?

So, yeah, like everyone else, think for yourself, look around and make the best informed decision you can. You seem to look at covid, certainly in the past (if not in it's current form) as a major threat to people's health or lives. I don't agree, so my perspective on these vaccines is going to be different. I don't care if you or anyone else makes an informed decision, you do you - my only gripe is the propaganda, lying and coercion surrounding it.

I don't think you deny that either, so really we're not that far apart on this.

And, btw, there are plenty of doctors who disagree with the vaccines or think they were rushed and/or not necessary. Why discount them? How many experts not on the payroll of pharma or making money from it -- how many of them are ardent pro-vaccine types who demand children get it?

Srs, show me the opinions of any 'renowned' expert who isn't on the payroll of pharma or connected to them somehow. I'd like to see neutral opinions on it. I suspect, not as overwhelmingly in favor of them as you think, W.
All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

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post 1696032613 01-07-2024, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted By Jessejame5
Stops transmission
Oops, ok but it prevents serious illness and death
Oops, ok but it prevents death
Oops, Ok then, well we get to own the MAGAts at least


https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infect...w-20221231.pdf

So the unvaccinated who died didn't go to the hospital?
post 1696032733 01-07-2024, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
So the unvaccinated who died didn't go to the hospital?
Lol…don’t worry. Just nine more months and you can get yet ANOTHER injection.
post 1696032833 01-07-2024, 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted By JUSA
You shouldn't? Why would you? Take everything in, make up your own mind.

On one hand you do have experts with expertise, which is something to consider. You should also consider the corrupt nature, particularly now, when it comes to pharmaceuticals, how historically it is incredibly easy to get these exact same experts to manipulate or twist things in order to ultimately make profit for objectively evil organizations. You're not going to deny that, are you?

So, yeah, like everyone else, think for yourself, look around and make the best informed decision you can. You seem to look at covid, certainly in the past (if not in it's current form) as a major threat to people's health or lives. I don't agree, so my perspective on these vaccines is going to be different. I don't care if you or anyone else makes an informed decision, you do you - my only gripe is the propaganda, lying and coercion surrounding it.
I dunno that "looking around" is the ideal way to make a decision. But to each their own.

I really don't think it's the best way to form and broadcast generalized conclusions as we see around here.



While everyone is entitled to their own opinion, not all are equally valid.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010
Lol…don’t worry. Just nine more months and you can get yet ANOTHER injection.
Baling on the paper you shared that counters your positions
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Baling on the paper you shared that counters your positions
If you're not getting paid then how do you explain your covid addiction?
It's a hot night. The mind races. You think about your knife: the only friend who hasn't betrayed you, the only friend who won't be dead by sunup. Sleep tight mates, in your quilted chambray night shirts.
post 1696033583 01-07-2024, 05:16 PM
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Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines


"The Surgeon General outlined concerns regarding nucleic acid contaminants in the approved Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, particularly in the presence of lipid nanoparticle complexes, and Simian Virus 40 (SV40) promoter/enhancer DNA. Lipid nanoparticles are an efficient vehicle for delivery of the mRNA in the COVID-19 vaccines into human cells and may therefore be an equally efficient vehicle for delivering contaminant DNA into human cells. The presence of SV40 promoter/enhancer DNA may also pose a unique and heightened risk of DNA integration into human cells.

https://content.govdelivery.com/acco...letins/3816863


This is the 5th report I am seeing of SV40 present in the jabs. Jabbies fuked themselves
post 1696033913 01-07-2024, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Florida State Surgeon General Calls for Halt in the Use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccines


"The Surgeon General outlined concerns regarding nucleic acid contaminants in the approved Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 mRNA vaccines, particularly in the presence of lipid nanoparticle complexes, and Simian Virus 40 (SV40) promoter/enhancer DNA. Lipid nanoparticles are an efficient vehicle for delivery of the mRNA in the COVID-19 vaccines into human cells and may therefore be an equally efficient vehicle for delivering contaminant DNA into human cells. The presence of SV40 promoter/enhancer DNA may also pose a unique and heightened risk of DNA integration into human cells.

https://content.govdelivery.com/acco...letins/3816863


This is the 5th report I am seeing of SV40 present in the jabs. Jabbies fuked themselves
Do you ever consider the source?

They guy literally removed data that didn't support his predetermined conclusion.
post 1696034173 01-07-2024, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Do you ever consider the source?

They guy literally removed data that didn't support his predetermined conclusion.
You're the source?
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Originally Posted By Paul
You're the source?
Wat?

No, the surgeon general of FL
post 1696034483 01-07-2024, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.
Wat?

No, the surgeon general of FLA
Well that went right over your head.



Dr. Janci Lindsay & Dr. Phillip Buckhaults testify that the Pfizer shot has been found to be contaminated with DNA, which can permanently alter your genetic code, and SV40 sequences which can infect the E.coli in your gut, turning you into a 'perpetual spike factory' as well as cause cancer.

post 1696034693 01-07-2024, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted By Paul
Well that went right over your head.



Dr. Janci Lindsay & Dr. Phillip Buckhaults testify that the Pfizer shot has been found to be contaminated with DNA, which can permanently alter your genetic code, and SV40 sequences which can infect the E.coli in your gut, turning you into a 'perpetual spike factory' as well as cause cancer.
You don't seem to know the difference between confer and confirm, what's a guy to do?

Florida surgeon general altered key findings in study on Covid-19 vaccine safety

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/0...ccine-00093510

Covid-19: Florida’s surgeon general used “careless” research practice in recommending against vaccination, his university finds

https://www.bmj.com/content/380/bmj.p110


Florida Surgeon General Manipulates Findings in Covid-19 Vaccine Safety Study

https://climate.law.columbia.edu/con...e-safety-study

Buckhaults made no such claim. Watch the video.



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Originally Posted By FIDELityaccount
It killed millions of people and harmed many more. Yeah I do view it as a threat. Governments will use propaganda and coercion to force things like vaccination, just as they use them in war to rally a defense or to discourage crime and vice, etc. If they didn't have mandates, few would bother to get vaccinated, and we'd have many more deaths.
Wincel, millions were getting it before the mandates. Jabs pretty much came out in January of 2021, they didn't start mandating it till around September of 2021.
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