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Thread: Is this paedo-panic just the Satanic panic all over again?

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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
How many r&pers would let lady boy lover bodhy be alone with their kids?
I wouldn't even let him alone with my dog and I don't even have a dog.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
That's why you think trans people shouldn't have access to GAHT?
No, i stated my reasons for that, but to keep claiming “GENDER Affirming” is disingenuous, their gender was revealed at conception at confirmed at birth.

A trans can never be a woman
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Originally Posted By Paul
No, i stated my reasons for that, but to keep claiming “GENDER Affirming” is disingenuous, their gender was revealed at conception at confirmed at birth.

A trans can never be a woman
Yes, you've been clear about your views.

Regardless, the evidence presented in the thread supports the notion that GAHT improves mental health outcomes in those with gender dysphoria with risk profiles that are similar to those of TRT and HRT.

Denying people beneficial treatments and therapies based on not liking, or not wanting to acknowledge, the existence of a code seems unjust and/or narrow-minded to me. But, everybody's different
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yes, you've been clear about your views.

Regardless, the evidence presented in the thread supports the notion that GAHT improves mental health outcomes in those with gender dysphoria with risk profiles that are similar to those of TRT and HRT.

Denying people beneficial treatments and therapies based on not liking, or not wanting to acknowledge, the existence of a code seems unjust and/or narrow-minded to me. But, everybody's different
Thread has proven drugs that have shown to improve mood, improve mood. Unfortunately the dangers of those drugs outweigh the benefits they provide.
Which is why studies have shown the long term effects of GAHT & “gender changing” operations to increase depression & suicide rate.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Thread has proven drugs that have shown to improve mood, improve mood. Unfortunately the dangers of those drugs outweigh the benefits they provide.
Which is why studies have shown the long term effects of GAHT & “gender changing” operations to increase depression & suicide rate.
Everything presented shows the same dangers in cis people who take them.

Do you also oppose TRT for males and HRT for females? The "dangers" are the same.

The review articles presented in this thread cover a bunch of the extant literature. Your claim that gender-affirming care increases depression and suicide rates has not been supported thus far.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Denying people beneficial treatments and therapies based on not liking, or not wanting to acknowledge, the existence of a code seems unjust and/or narrow-minded to me. But, everybody's different
Lmao this is the whole “YOU MUST SUPPORT GENDER AFFIRMING CARE - ESP TO MINORS BC IF NOT THEYLL KILL THEMSELVES!!” argument. Those people have gender dysphoria and are mentally ill. You don’t go along with the delusion.
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Originally Posted By FlipBrah⏩
Lmao this is the whole “YOU MUST SUPPORT GENDER AFFIRMING CARE - ESP TO MINORS BC IF NOT THEYLL KILL THEMSELVES!!” argument. Those people have gender dysphoria and are mentally ill. You don’t go along with the delusion.
Cool fake quote.

Not a tactic I consider intellectually honest nor in good faith, but dis da misc
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Everything presented shows the same dangers in cis people who take them.

Do you also oppose TRT for males and HRT for females? The "dangers" are the same.

The review articles presented in this thread cover a bunch of the extant literature. Your claim that gender-affirming care increases depression and suicide rates has not been supported thus far.
How can the dangers be the same when men don’t have the ability to produce breast milk, and the rate of suicide is higher in the trans community..I’d consider that a danger..
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Originally Posted By Paul
How can the dangers be the same when men don’t have the ability to produce breast milk, and the rate of suicide is higher in the trans community..I’d consider that a danger..
Why are you fixated on breast milk? What is the relevance?

Higher in the trans community - sure. Higher in those who receive care than in those who don't? Prove it.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why are you fixated on breast milk? What is the relevance?

Higher in the trans community - sure. Higher in those who receive care than in those who don't? Prove it.
Breast milk is essential in a developing child.


I posted a study showing that the rate of suicide is higher in the trans community when looking at long term effects
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Originally Posted By Paul
Breast milk is essential in a developing child.
So?
I posted a study showing that the rate of suicide is higher in the trans community when looking at long term effects
Yes, trans people are often depressed. That's why treatments and therapies are important, imo.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So?



Yes, trans people are often depressed. That's why treatments and therapies are important, imo.
So it is essential


But you claimed “trans people” are depressed..meaning they are already depressed in their trans condition.

The study I posted shows the long term effects.
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Originally Posted By Paul
But you claimed “trans people” are depressed..meaning they are already depressed in their trans condition.

The study I posted shows the long term effects.
Mental health outcomes are better for those with gender dysphoria who receive care than for those who don't.

Breast feeding while taking testosterone has also been demonstrated as safe with doses up to 100mg.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Mental health outcomes are better for those with gender dysphoria who receive care than for those who don't.

Breast feeding while taking testosterone has also been demonstrated as safe with doses up to 100mg.
Study posted shows the opposite of long term effects of gender Thearpy


I assume you are referring to this study..that only showed one application method..others were unspecified

And it only looked at 5 months out.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501721/
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Originally Posted By Paul
Study posted shows the opposite of long term effects of gender Thearpy


I assume you are referring to this study..that only showed one application method..others were unspecified

And it only looked at 5 months out.



https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK501721/
Opposite of long term effects? Is that short term effects?


These studies:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23966521/

Burger HG, Hailes J, Menelaus M et al. The management of persistent menopausal symptoms with oestradiol-testosterone implants: Clinical, lipid and hormonal results. Maturitas 1984; 6(4): 351–358.

Brincat M, Magos A, Studd JW et al. Subcutaneous hormone implants for the control of climacteric symptoms. A prospective Study. Lancet 1984; 1(8367): 16–18.

Thom M, Collins WP, Studd JW. Hormonal profiles in postmenopausal women after therapy in subcutaneous implants. Br J of Obstetrics and Gynaecology 1981; 88: 426–433.

Gambrell RD Jr, Natrajan PK. Moderate dosage estrogen-androgen therapy improves continuation rates in postmenopausal women: Impact of the WHI reports. Climacteric 2006; 9(3): 224–233.

Glaser R, Wurtzbacher D, Dimitrakakis C. Efficacy of testosterone therapy delivered by pellet implant. Maturitas 2009; 63(1): S73.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Nope.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23966521/
That’s the same study..only pellets, 100mg
5 months
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Originally Posted By Paul
That’s the same study..only pellets, 100mg
5 months
No. They compared 3 delivery methods.

You said testosterone is dangerous for women.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
No. They compared 3 delivery methods.

You said testosterone is dangerous for women.
Yes, it is. Your study looked at pellets. My wife is instructed not even touch my test..by her doctor.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Cool fake quote.

Not a tactic I consider intellectually honest nor in good faith, but dis da misc
So pre-teens with gender dysphoria shouldn't be on meds?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Mental health outcomes are better for those with gender dysphoria who receive care than for those who don't.

Breast feeding while taking testosterone has also been demonstrated as safe with doses up to 100mg.
Why would a breast feeding woman be on testosterone???
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Having higher testosterone levels in women is linked to a higher risk of developing diabetes, metabolic disease, and cancer.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0751-5


They revealed that women with higher testosterone levels have a heightened risk of developing type 2 diabetes by 37 percent. On the other hand, men had a reduction of type 2 diabetes risk by 14 percent if they had higher testosterone levels.

The women also had a 51-percent increased risk of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). PCOS was previously thought to have caused high testosterone levels.


Further, findings of the study unveiled that higher testosterone levels in women had been tied to a higher risk of developing cancer, including endometrial and breast cancer. In men, high levels of the hormone are linked to higher prostate cancer risk
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Why would a breast feeding woman be on testosterone???
Because she is trying to be a “he” but still under the assumption that pumping your body full of drugs isn’t going to impact the child or them
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Originally Posted By Paul
Having higher testosterone levels in women is linked to a higher risk of developing diabetes, metabolic disease, and cancer.


https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0751-5


They revealed that women with higher testosterone levels have a heightened risk of developing type 2 diabetes by 37 percent. On the other hand, men had a reduction of type 2 diabetes risk by 14 percent if they had higher testosterone levels.

The women also had a 51-percent increased risk of polycystic ovary syndrome (PCOS). PCOS was previously thought to have caused high testosterone levels.


Further, findings of the study unveiled that higher testosterone levels in women had been tied to a higher risk of developing cancer, including endometrial and breast cancer. In men, high levels of the hormone are linked to higher prostate cancer risk
This is a study of women with genetically higher testosterone levels.

You said testosterone therapy is more dangerous for women than for men on TRT.

Your opposition to GAHT now seems to be because you're concerned for the health of those with gender dysphoria, so they shouldn't be allowed to receive therapy that you acknowledge improves mental health.

Yeah?
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Originally Posted By Paul
Because she is trying to be a “he” but still under the assumption that pumping your body full of drugs isn’t going to impact the child or them
Why is it okay for men, like yourself, to "pump their bodies full of drugs", but not okay for those with gender dysphoria?

Given that the doses, risk profiles, and benefits are all similar between the two groups.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
This is a study of women with genetically higher testosterone levels.

You said testosterone therapy is more dangerous for women than for men on TRT.

Your opposition to GAHT now seems to be because you're concerned for the health of those with gender dysphoria, so they shouldn't be allowed to receive therapy that you acknowledge improves mental health.

Yeah?
Whether genetically higher or supplementing to achieve the same levels, why would you assume the results differ?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why is it okay for men, like yourself, to "pump their bodies full of drugs", but not okay for those with gender dysphoria?

Given that the doses, risk profiles, and benefits are all similar between the two groups.
Study posted..and men can’t produce breast milk. Aside from the fact that test isn’t been given to men to somehow alter their gender which isn’t really possible no matter how many drugs are pumped into someone

You keep claiming the side effects are the same but the previous study showed the long term effects showed suicide & depression increased with “gender affirming hormone therapy & operations”
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Originally Posted By Paul
Whether genetically higher or supplementing to achieve the same levels, why would you assume the results differ?
Because of the potential confounders, colliders, and backdoors present in a group with genetic abnormalities. Causal inference is tricky.


Synthetic forms of testosterone are also different than natural testosterone.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Study posted..and men can’t produce breast milk. Aside from the fact that test isn’t been given to men to somehow alter their gender which isn’t really possible no matter how many drugs are pumped into someone

You keep claiming the side effects are the same but the previous study showed the long term effects showed suicide & depression increased with “gender affirming hormone therapy & operations”
Like I said when you posted it. The control group is incorrect for the inference you're trying to draw.

It did not show an increase with gender affirming care in the with gender dysphoria.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Why is it okay for men, like yourself, to "pump their bodies full of drugs", but not okay for those with gender dysphoria?

Given that the doses, risk profiles, and benefits are all similar between the two groups.
Still wondering
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