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Yet has been found guilty of doing the same. Overvaluing his penthouse by 829%.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/real-e...c-home-by-829/

Typical libtard MO. Persecute Trump over the same things they do, and think their own wrongdoing won't be found out.

When will libs learn that Trump is cursed? If you bash him, you end up in your own deep chit
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Yet has been found guilty of doing the same. Overvaluing his penthouse by 829%.

https://nypost.com/2024/03/27/real-e...c-home-by-829/

Typical libtard MO. Persecute Trump over the same things they do, and think their own wrongdoing won't be found out.

When will libs learn that Trump is cursed? If you bash him, you end up in your own deep chit
The article says it SOLD it for 829% more than it was assessed at. Where did Stewart apply for loans and outright lied by overvaluing his property?
But it didn’t take long for internet sleuths to look into Stewart’s own property history, which shows his New York City penthouse sold for 829% more than its assessed value, records confirmed by The Post reveal.
The NY Post is fake news.
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Not familiar with this beyond a cursory knowledge (Trump and especially the chit w/ Stewart). On face value, seems like pure bullchit and singling Trump out for something a lot of people do -- and very punitively at that.

Although, my knowledge is no further than occasional headline or post someone makes here, there might be more nuance to this. Trump going beyond the pale into very shady territory getting a loan, somehow. I don't know. I wouldn't put it entirely past him. At the same time, the loan was repaid in full? The bank/loanee is not a victim?

I'd be interested in hearing both sides, although overly biased or 'meme-based' information isn't something that interests me too much.

Can anyone articulate any of the details that justify this harsh fine?

With Stewart... meh, he has writers. Unless he personally wrote the joke or rant about Trump, I don't know. These guys are talking heads, they 'are themselves' but at the same time, it's not that far away from acting out a part.

If he complained about Trump and has done something similar, he probably should have opted to have someone else (I assume) read the joke or do the rant about it, but at the same time -- he's playing a character. A character called John Stewart who talks about politics and from what I remember presents it from a left-wing viewpoint.
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The NY Post is fake news.
So that information you quoted was a lie? Can you prove that?

If you can't your opinion about the NY Post is irrelevant and distraction, something that does nothing to further a legitimate discussion.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The article says it SOLD it for 829% more than it was assessed at. Where did Stewart apply for loans and outright lied by overvaluing his property?



The NY Post is fake news.
Would you agree that if it sold for 829% of its assessed value that the market value of property may be substantially different from assessed value?


And would you agree that a bank is allowed to make a loan off its own assessment of true value given things like market value and if it’s satisfied with the loan and the loan is repaid no fraud was committed?
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The article says it SOLD it for 829% more than it was assessed at. Where did Stewart apply for loans and outright lied by overvaluing his property?



The NY Post is fake news.
In 2014, Stewart sold his 6,280-square-foot Tribeca duplex to financier Parag Pande for $17.5 million.

The property’s asking price at that time is not available in listing records.

But according to 2013-2014 assessor records obtained by The Post, the property had the estimated market-value at only $1.882 million

The actual assessor valuation was even lower, at $847,174.

Records also show that Stewart paid significantly lower property taxes, which were calculated based on that assessor valuation price — precisely what he called Trump out for doing in his Monday monologue.
Stop cherry picking RapeyPat
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
So that information you quoted was a lie? Can you prove that?

If you can't your opinion about the NY Post is irrelevant and distraction, something that does nothing to further a legitimate discussion.
The NY Post is fake news. Don't care if you believe that or not, or even if you like it or don't like it - it's a fact.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Would you agree that if it sold for 829% of its assessed value that the market value of property may be substantially different from assessed value?


And would you agree that a bank is allowed to make a loan off its own assessment of true value given things like market value and if it’s satisfied with the loan and the loan is repaid no fraud was committed?
I would agree that just because his property was underassessed that is not his fault, nor did he LIE to banks and over value his properties to get loans.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The NY Post is fake news. Don't care if you believe that or not, or even if you like it or don't like it - it's a fact.
Oh, you and your dilemma with facts and what fits your narrative. Lmao.

Might want to leave the thread, Patty. You'll get really mad again and threaten to leave R&P
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The NY Post is fake news. Don't care if you believe that or not, or even if you like it or don't like it - it's a fact.
Can you quote me where I said they were or were not? I made no such comment, not here and not anywhere else.

We were discussing that relevance with the specific information you quoted -- which it now looks like the information they presented was factual, you just thought you would chime in they have in the past (I presume) been dishonest?

As opposed to who? What publication is without err? How is that even relevant? You quoted something, then below it immediately noted they were fake, as if that information was a lie. I'm seeing now: It was not a lie, it was truthful and you were misrepresenting things, which is a sign of a weak argument and someone of lacking morality, willing to knowingly deceive.

Very dishonest of you Pat, if you can not argue without resorting to deception, you probably do not have a good argument.

Were I to use your logic, now whenever you post anything I could just chime in, "NYPat is fake news". Would that be fair or relevant? What if you were telling the truth or had a good argument? Shouldn't we focus on the specific facts at hand?
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Oh, you and your dilemma with facts and what fits your narrative. Lmao.

Might want to leave the thread, Patty. You'll get really mad again and threaten to leave R&P
This article title is 100% misleading on purpose.

Jon Stewart benefited by 829% ‘overvalue’ of his NYC home even as he labels Trump’s civil case ‘not victimless

No, he sold his house and got market value - he has nothing to do with what it was assessed at, nor did he apply for loans claiming it was worth more.

The NY Post is 100% fake news.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Can you quote me where I said they were or were not? I made no such comment, not here and not anywhere else.

We were discussing that relevance with the specific information you quoted -- which it now looks like the information they presented was factual, you just thought you would chime in they have in the past (I presume) been dishonest?

As opposed to who? What publication is without err? How is that even relevant? You quoted something, then below it immediately noted they were fake, as if that information was a lie. I'm seeing now: It was not a lie, it was truthful and you were misrepresenting things, which is a sign of a weak argument and someone of lacking morality, willing to knowingly deceive.

Very dishonest of you Pat, if you can not argue without resorting to deception, you probably do not have a good argument.

Were I to use your logic, now whenever you post anything I could just chime in, "NYPat is fake news". Would that be fair or relevant? What if you were telling the truth or had a good argument? Shouldn't we focus on the specific facts at hand?
Dude save it. Didn't read your novel.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This article title is 100% misleading on purpose.

Jon Stewart benefited by 829% ‘overvalue’ of his NYC home even as he labels Trump’s civil case ‘not victimless

No, he sold his house and got market value - he has nothing to do with what it was assessed at, nor did he apply for loans claiming it was worth more.

The NY Post is 100% fake news.
Haven't read the NY Post article, but he bought it for X and later sold it for, apparently, 800% more?

While that's pretty good, I don't know how long he had that house. I sold a house in 2021 and doubled the value, had bought it in 2011. Pick the right neighborhood, one with growth potential and sell at the right time and you make money. In fact, real estate is always a good long term investment.

Moreover, and again I haven't read it, but he just sold a property, he wasn't using it as collateral on another loan?

Article sounds like it might have been misleading, but having not read it, hard for me to go All In on that assessment. Much better argument here though, Pat.
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Dude save it. Didn't read your novel.
This is actually the weakest of all arguments, because every single person who has ever said this has been lying and are just basically saying, "I can not refute what you said, but I lack the integrity to concede you have a stronger point".

So, let me just fix that for you:
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I have nothing to say. You win. I lose. I am upset.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This article title is 100% misleading on purpose.

Jon Stewart benefited by 829% ‘overvalue’ of his NYC home even as he labels Trump’s civil case ‘not victimless

No, he sold his house and got market value - he has nothing to do with what it was assessed at, nor did he apply for loans claiming it was worth more.

The NY Post is 100% fake news.
Skipped over the tax part again I see.
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Please tell me you Trump lovers aren't serious with this.

This was a private transaction between individuals vs Trump defrauding the bank and state. It's not even conceivably in the same ballpark unless you're either not bright or simply have your head up Trump's rear.

And btw boyos, when the penthouse sold, the new owner paid taxes on the NEW AMOUNT that he paid. Just like it always works.

You guys crack me up...SMH
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
This article title is 100% misleading on purpose.

Jon Stewart benefited by 829% ‘overvalue’ of his NYC home even as he labels Trump’s civil case ‘not victimless

No, he sold his house and got market value - he has nothing to do with what it was assessed at, nor did he apply for loans claiming it was worth more.

The NY Post is 100% fake news.
Isn't it amazing how they so easily fall for alt right talking points while giving zero thought to the actual issue being discussed.

Unbelievable.
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Skipped over the tax part again I see.
Gotta read it, I guess...
But it didn’t take long for internet sleuths to look into Stewart’s own property history, which shows his New York City penthouse sold for 829% more than its assessed value, records confirmed by The Post reveal.

In 2014, Stewart sold his 6,280-square-foot Tribeca duplex to financier Parag Pande for $17.5 million.

The property’s asking price at that time is not available in listing records.

But according to 2013-2014 assessor records obtained by The Post, the property had the estimated market-value at only $1.882 million.

The actual assessor valuation was even lower, at $847,174.

Records also show that Stewart paid significantly lower property taxes, which were calculated based on that assessor valuation price — precisely what he called Trump out for doing in his Monday monologue.

Pande, who purchased the penthouse from Stewart, then resold the property at a nearly 26% loss, according to the Real Deal — at just over $13 million — in 2021.
Yeah, Pat seems like his facts are mixed up, unfortunately it might be because he has what appears to be an inability to read. A 12 sentence post, which in fairness did have some run-on sentences, but he expressed it was beyond his capacity to read it all, so a long article like that probably overwhelmed him.

As to Stewart, he comes off as a little hypocritical. I still conclude his writers should have avoided this one or he should have nudged them and said, "nah" or just had an intern come out and pretend to get outraged over it, instead of himself.

Why did this Pande by it so high, I wonder? Even losing money 11 years later (when the market was red hot, at least down here in Texas). Wonder if something weird was going on there.
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
This was a private transaction between individuals vs Trump defrauding the bank and state.
Good point. Looks like Sillie can read more than 12 sentences. Not a particularly high bar to jump, but Reading is Good. I find myself kind of agreeing w/ Sillie here (after snipping some less necessary opinion on his part...).
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Skipped over the tax part again I see.
I'm not even going to bother trying to explain how real estate taxes work to a high school dropout...

Suffice to say, JS is doing the same exact thing that we all do when we buy homes and stay in them. Perfectly legit and legal.

Unlike when Trump overvalued his properties to secure better loan terms and then undervalued his property for taxes.

SMH
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Oh, you and your dilemma with facts and what fits your narrative. Lmao.

Might want to leave the thread, Patty. You'll get really mad again and threaten to leave R&P
sources rapeypat doesnt agree with are fake news

sources rapeypat agrees with are real journalists with integrity and a yearning for truth
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Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
sources rapeypat doesnt agree with are fake news

sources rapeypat agrees with are real journalists with integrity and a yearning for truth
He's also prone to playing the game of, "Nani-nani-Boo-Boo! I can't hear you!" when someone makes a point he can not counter, which is not a good look... not even when toddlers do it, but considerably more pathetic when grown adults employ it.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
I'm not even going to bother trying to explain how real estate taxes work to a high school dropout...

Suffice to say, JS is doing the same exact thing that we all do when we buy homes and stay in them. Perfectly legit and legal.

Unlike when Trump overvalued his properties to secure better loan terms and then undervalued his property for taxes.

SMH
Lmao literally not worth the effort.



Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩
sources rapeypat doesnt agree with are fake news

sources rapeypat agrees with are real journalists with integrity and a yearning for truth
Except I explain why it's fake news.. not that's it's worth my time to explain it to you people.
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Originally Posted By JUSA⏩
Gotta read it, I guess...



Yeah, Pat seems like his facts are mixed up, unfortunately it might be because he has what appears to be an inability to read. A 12 sentence post, which in fairness did have some run-on sentences, but he expressed it was beyond his capacity to read it all, so a long article like that probably overwhelmed him.

As to Stewart, he comes off as a little hypocritical. I still conclude his writers should have avoided this one or he should have nudged them and said, "nah" or just had an intern come out and pretend to get outraged over it, instead of himself.

Why did this Pande by it so high, I wonder? Even losing money 11 years later (when the market was red hot, at least down here in Texas). Wonder if something weird was going on there.

Good point. Looks like Sillie can read more than 12 sentences. Not a particularly high bar to jump, but Reading is Good. I find myself kind of agreeing w/ Sillie here (after snipping some less necessary opinion on his part...).
except if he got the property undervalued so he didn't have to pay his fair share of property taxes he basically stole from the people of NY state. That is lost tax revenue. not the same as trump but not exactly any better either.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Lmao literally not worth the effort.







Except I explain why it's fake news.. not that's it's worth my time to explain it to you people.
Chill patty, he's not going to explain it because he doesn't know anything about it, he just wants to sound like he does. You can take his colostomy bag out of your mouth now.

You only call outlets fake news when you don't like what they say. You think with your feelings and not your brain.
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Originally Posted By NitrogenWidget⏩
except if he got the property undervalued so he didn't have to pay his fair share of property taxes he basically stole from the people of NY state. That is lost tax revenue. not the same as trump but not exactly any better either.
Aware the class how he got his property undervalued boyo. What steps did JS take?

SMH
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
Chill patty, he's not going to explain it because he doesn't know anything about it, he just wants to sound like he does. You can take his colostomy bag out of your mouth now.

You only call outlets fake news when you don't like what they say. You think with your feelings and not your brain.
LOLOLOLOLOL

You clearly no zero about it or you wouldn't have posted this idiotic alt right, fake news article.

There's a reason you couldn't pass high school. And it ain't because you're a deep thinker boyo.

Love this for you.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
LOLOLOLOLOL

You clearly no zero about it or you wouldn't have posted this idiotic alt right, fake news article.

There's a reason you couldn't pass high school. And it ain't because you're a deep thinker boyo.

Love this for you.
I'll wait for your explanation
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
I'll wait for your explanation
What did JS pay for the property boyo?

*hint, it's the assessed value*

Do you get credit toward your high school diploma for the schooling I just gave you?

HAHAHAHAHA
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
What did JS pay for the property boyo?

*hint, it's the assessed value*

Do you get credit toward your high school diploma for the schooling I just gave you?

HAHAHAHAHA
What you could say: "hey CT, This is why JS's overvaluation is different from Trump's

What you're saying: LMAO! I KNOW WHY YOU'RE WRONG, BUT I NOT GOING TO TELL YOU! HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT LOLOLOL!

Sillie loves contributing useful things
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Originally Posted By ClivesTriceps⏩
What you could say: "hey CT, This is why JS's overvaluation is different from Trump's

What you're saying: LMAO! I KNOW WHY YOU'RE WRONG, BUT I NOT GOING TO TELL YOU! HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUT LOLOLOL!

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Boyo you literally said Pat had my colostomy bag in his mouth. Do you think that engenders adult conversation?

BUT. I'm willing to be better with you starting now.

And you're not wrong about my insults. They help nothing.
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Holy crap dude, Satan's huge crew.
post 1699851073 03-28-2024, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I would agree that just because his property was underassessed that is not his fault, nor did he LIE to banks and over value his properties to get loans.
When I refinanced my first home they asked me what I thought it was worth. I told them. They came out, looked at it, told me what they thought. We were roughly $75k apart. They refinanced it at $30k less than I told them it was worth. Is this not how this works?
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