So if they don't apologize, then it's all good right?

I meant the NT sorry (hence Christian scholars). Even some OT stuff is questionable that I've come across.

I'm outside all this anyways so trying to look at it objectively.

No it's not all good. I've already said the same arguments apply to them.

NT stuff, Christians often take the position of the Abrogation of Old Covenant, and then extend anything that happened in the OT as necessary but it is to be overlooked because of Christ yada yada.

That still doesn't alter the fact that these things apparently happened, nor does it alter the fact that Yahweh commands these evils to take place. And all the other problems that come with Yahweh interfering and not whenever it suits him and the manner in which he does it.

Wait, so OP isn't a jew or jew lover?

I'm confused

No.

But Muslims would.

dam... this is actually real..

Why did you think this?And Jews. And Christians worship that God.

Must be brutal knowing the only reason you cucked little ****guts worship Yahweh is for your own self preservation instead of actual moral values and principles.

Cucked!

I agree somewhat. Some passages in the OT are very questionable. If you ask who the author was, it's Jesus right? So Jesus allowed certain things to take place just cause...some of the questions I've asked myself.

Just answer the question asked? Don't worry yourself about why OP asked it.

no other reason besides a couple miscers said so

We don't really know who the authors of the Gospels were. There's tradition but there's also problems with some of the authorship. Obviously we have Pauls words.

Jesus isn't God btw, this is just another invention inserted by the Church. I recommend looking at Bart Ehrman works on the Trinity and the dogma associated with it. I actually greatly respect the words attributed to Jesus, but have little to no respect for the institutions that arose after his death.I am certainly not Jewish, not that I have a problem with Jewish people. I take huge issue with Zionists though, but that's a different subject.

Those other miscers are deranged and rarely answer any point I raise but instead resort to either "liberal cuck" or "Rabbi/Jew" or variations of said words.

Edited my post lol I meant OT

I suggest look into Thucydides and Herodotus and how a lot of the NT writing were simply made up. People would invent writings and attribute it to the writers (brb I think John said this and that). It was very common during those times.

I think I agree with that - Jesus is based but I'm questionable about a lot of the stuff after him.

Yeah, I know that some stories and passages were altered, and some manuscripts have additional works, bits taken out. What is consistent though are the conquests in the "promised land" and Yahweh's "Mosaic law" being rather unhinged.

Anyone who reads it should really have alarm bells ringing because there are some really quite horrific things commanded, carried out and not even justified beyond some divine command theory nonsense.

God does not request that lmao. The funny part about atheists (whom I used to be myself) is that they haven't read the bible or tried to understand the bible. They take any phrase or verse and show it as to be some great evil and strip away all context from it.

Did you even read that full psalm? The author was an Israelite held captive and was saying that what the Babylonians are doing to us will be repaid with even greater force and will be happy to even smash their heads against the rocks.

All scripture is inspired by... who?

And Yahweh did command that ethnic cleansing and genocide of the "promised land". Are you denying that, heretic?

Are you denying that the OT Yahweh is the same as the NT Yahweh? Very edgy and heretical thinking here Striker.

This is all strawman rhetoric as a response to what I said lmao.

Yes the bible is inspired by God. That's not even a discussion to your point. God did not say that. The psalmist did that was held captive. Do you even know the context behind the whole thing?

explain these then

I looked em up and OP worded em in a different way to make a point but he's not completely wrong either

my mind is open and I will make an unbiased judegment srs

Yeah I've seen a lot of Erhmans stuff and tbh he's swayed me slightly from prior to reading his stuff. Stuff like the writers of the Gospels, the trinity and other things that I've been questioning for some time now. I like a lot of stuff in the Bible though.

Ah yes, truly loving justice being written in those Pslams! Beautiful poetry.

Now on the ethnic cleansing and genocide question. Are you denying that Yahweh in the OT is Yahweh in the NT?

Did Yahweh command his followers to murder children and take virgin women? To plunder towns if they didn't worship him? Simple yes or no will suffice here champYeah, I like some of it too. It's a very interesting collection of books and influenced me growing up (very religious household).

What about the one where if you rape a girl, she's yours.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29

what what
do you mean.

Beautiful!

dam...

[QUOTE=Kiop post_id=1704148541]what what
do you mean.

[img]https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/180302110439-11-benjamin-netanyahu-file-2018-super-tease.jpg[img][/QUOTE]This guy called the Palestinians modern day Amalek lmao
Can't make it up boyo

First of all, the entire point of comparing the OT God and NT God shows that you have actual little knowledge of the bible. I'm a baby in terms of theology, didn't grow up religious, and yet how is it that I have more of an understanding than you?

Why don't we sacrifice animals for God anymore? It's the same God in both books, right? Did he just willy nilly decide not to anymore? You should know this.

What is God's relationship with man in the OT? Why does it seem so distrusted? You should know this as well. I can explain these for you very simply, but I know you'll reject them because you're an atheist now.

As for the other two verses, those are based on war. Wars against those with false idolatry and those that lead others to sin.

I can tell you're arguing with anger and with the passive aggressiveness, but don't try to spawn your hate and thoughts onto my beliefs.

This. But I don’t believe in a God that would do it either.

OP’s question is equivalent to a ridiculous “would you rather” to me.

I never understood why the Atheist care so much about the Old Testament, we are living with the same mentality today with people on the left, those passages can apply to the woke mob and democrats they wished trump died, they would wanted people who didnt get the vaccine to be punished and denied service at the hospital, **** if we didnt live in a civil society with technology they would destroy and conquer

Jesus is the way.

You can't abrogate your way out of this boyo. I'm not going to claim I have more or less knowledge or understanding of the Bible because I'm not haughty. What I can say though is that I've thought about the theology and no apologism makes it easier to digest.

Yahweh commanded evil. He enacted evil. It doesn't matter that "we don't do these things now", or that "Jesus fulfilled the law". What matters is that Yahweh has the ability and the toolset to influence people as he wishes. And he could have influenced the people of the "promised land" to leave. But he didn't. Instead, he gave his cult a law that he knew they couldn't follow (and punished them when they didn't - Ezekiel 20), and he commanded his cult to murder men, women, children, and cattle. Leave nothing. But maybe sometimes leave the virgin women, and let the men split them amongst themselves.

These are evil acts, and these are coming from the self-ascribed "Jealous God".

You're the one who entered and engaged in this thread, so don't get mad at me for trying to "spawn" my "hate and thoughts onto my beliefs". You sound demented. Leave the thread then you sensitive cultist.

Do you actually think because the Messiah came it undoes the evil committed by Yahweh? If these babies were sent to "heaven" the moment they were brutally stabbed to death, does it make that act of murdering a baby okay?

You do you though, you worship that monster.

Those passages and evil commandments are from the God you worship. And you're okay to look beyond it... because...?Well yes, it's an absurd proposition. But if you're a Christian or a Jew, or a Muslim, this was a supposed reality for the Hebrews. And they followed it.

The question really is, are you okay with your God commanding the murder of newborns? Yes is the answer.

This is the atheist playbook. I used to use all these arguments.

1. Find the worst parts of the bible, take them and show how awful they are and remove all context from them
2. Show the dark parts of God from the OT and compare it to the NT God and compare the difference. Example: "OMG say you're saying God is vengeful and jealous!?!?"
3. Apply the understanding of morality of now to the morality of back then. "But but but....rape!"

The weird part is that atheists must come from a viewpoint of no morality. If you reject creationism, then you reject morality. There is no good and evil. Thus, the very things you are finding as disgusting and hateful, isn't actual disgusting and hateful to them. That's why they never have a counter argument and only point the finger and try to keep the pressure on the person based on a morality issue. It's like modern day liberals calling you a nazi for saying "it's okay to be white" and then just keep calling you a nazi.

Then, the hilarious part is they never talk about the covenant. Man fell out of grace with God with Adam and Eve disobeying. The eventual deep reconnection between man and God came when Jesus sacrificed himself for our sins. That's why we don't sacrifice animals to God anymore for repentance of our sins. So the relationship between man and God changes within the covenants. It's the same God. In between that he tests man constantly. From Abraham to Moses.

This is all exhausting though and atheisms goal is to create this image that God is only angry and evil and you'd be a sicko to follow this fake God....here's these 8 different verses from an entire book taken out of context as "gotchas!"

If that's what you want to believe, then fine.

Seriously. It makes zero sense to act as though you know God. You know God's will? Are you a prophet? I don't apply morality to God, he applied it to us. Who are you to tell him what is evil and not when he is God? That's not even a logical argument if you believe in a higher power lmao. But you're coming from the idea that it's a monster sky daddy imagination creature.

The simple idea is that you cannot believe in right and wrong. You do not believe in evil nor good. If you think attaching a false ideology to me based on what I must believe via your understanding of the bible and God, then I can easily attach it to you. You must believe it is okay to cut someones dick off and change genders. You must beleve rape and murder is okay. You MUST. You have no foundation of morality, unless of course.....you use that of God's? But you don't believe in that monster. Those things are neither good nor bad. They just are. Otherwise whose morality do you follow?

See where this goes? I know you're used to dealing with retards or people that can't logically defend positions, but I'm not some retard that will just accept retarded argumentation based on "gotchas."

If you are atheist, why do you care so much for our sake?