That isnt true anymore. Maybe it was up until recent times, but now men who are unattractive in their 20s most likely will be in their 30s also. Women arent settling anymore. Thats really the only reason it was ever true in the past. Magically the incel would get some attention when he's 34 and women around his age all of sudden looked his way.

But that isnt the case anymore. women would rather be single or get pumped and dumped their entire lives than settle.

It never began and we need to be honest about these things.

That message was always for average dudes, not 5'3" nigerians

An ugly loser won't magically become desirable but high quality men often reach their peak in their 30s and 40s

The vast majority of men get a girl friend or met their wife via social circle.

Do you have a social circle?

Are you always out talking to women?

If you aren't doing those things you won't get a woman.

it's better in your 40s

Average in what way? I'm average or above in money and social status. Is looks all that matters?

High quality men were never struggling to begin with.

It was always the uglier men that got told to wait until they're 30

"but but but... men age like fine wine...."


Yeah, if you're George Clooney... If you ain't Clooney, then no....

I see short ugly and average guys with a woman every day. If they can get a woman, you can too. You aren't trying, you aren't putting yourself out there.


Maybe if you live in a vanity city like Miami or LA, then your point would hold more weight. But I don't think you live in Miami?

Boomers are so out of touch. 50% of relationships START ONLINE NOW.

Yes I personally have a social circle. All of the single women are online fuking guys. they dont care about their male friends, we're friendzoned.

Its better in your 80s.

stop telling everyone that what you experience is how it is for most incels

Incels just sit at home posting on incel forums and they wonder why they never meet girls

Lots of ugly dudes do well because they're social and confident. Sloots don't lie when they say they're attracted to confidence. Whenever I'm cocky and treat them like my servants, they become obsessed lol

No they don't. The women that were interested in me I was around in person, not on a dating app.

The ugly and average guys I see with a woman don't do well on dating apps. I didn't get matches on dating apps. Dating apps are mostly bots and women looking to rub their ego.

You gotta realize, 2016-2024ish is an anomaly for females. They've had more power than ever in dating dynamics. But the economy has shifted and so will female preferences.

However, guys coming of age(28ish-35) during the last 8 years have been absolutely screwed. However, there are still a ton of decent girls out there who are interested if you're a good looking guy with a solid job and no mental illness.

Ur height is the biggest problem

Girls are even mocking other girls for being 5'3"




"5'3" and an attitude"

lol

sounds like u srs

Agreed. If you have social circles, it's never been easier to get females. I have groups of friends I only see 1-2 times per year, and they're always trying to set me up with the single girls in their group when I see them.

We get it, you're incel. Shut the fuk up already

Assuming you put things together in your 20s life is infinitely better in your 30s. Even if you don't find that perfect women to wife up and raise children with. Life should be on easy mode in your 30s. No financial struggles. Expensive toys (cars, motorcycles, boats, etc.). Easy casual dating/sex. etc.

My girlfriend and I grew up just about 10 minutes drive from each other. Lots of mutual acquaintances but we never met or crossed paths until our 30s. She tells me all the time she wishes we could have met in high school or when we were in college. I tell her she'd have never noticed me much less have been interested in dating me 10-15 years ago. She doesn't believe me but I'm pretty much a completely different person in my 30s.


When I was young:
-Skinny to skinny-fat build
-Shaggy mop of hair
-Pale & baby face.
-Wore baggy pants/t-shirts 2 sizes too big.
-Small social circle & shy. Very little confidence with women.
-Not financially secure/didn't make much money
-Spent all my free time skateboarding and gaming
-Immature and insecure. Fearful and high inhibitions.

Fast forward to when she met me:
-Jacked and juicy (enhanced lifter for 15+ years by that point)
-Bald head (shaved slick). Bearded. Nice tan.
-Wear fitted clothes. Dress well. The Xl shirts that were massive on me as a teen now fit tight across the chest/shoulders/arms.
-Literally carrying 40 more pounds of muscle on my frame.
-Not shy at all. Confident as hell. Very experienced with Ho's. Large social circle.
-Spend my free time on motorcycles, boating, in the gym, etc. Do not game or skateboard anymore.
-Very financially secure with a good career.
-Very mature and secure with myself. Low inhibitions. Don't give a F about anything and 0 fears anymore.




I basically have the same height, face and name but everything else is completely different and unrecognizable. This did not happen by accident. I spent years building the life I wanted to live and transforming myself into the person I wanted to be.

its over

Dude, get off the internet and go outside and touch some grass. Seriously, whining about this crap online will never help. No wonder you can't get a woman. 🤦‍♂️

Imagine being " friends " with a women. Got no interest in that , and it's probably for the best.

It's me giving it to her or the highway, that's it.

no one cares about whiny, pathetic, incel losers.

Probably cause you and your friends are a bunch of losers

I see normie guys with women all the time, cause they have the balls to put themselves out there instead of jerking off to Apps, which are useless for the vast majority of men. Zoomer chicks are dating 5'7 broke Edgars ffs.

Just LOL at not being able to get laid when women have never been slootier. You suck bro

I don't know I have one woman friend who is awesome. Its probably because she watches golf, drinks bourbon, talks chit, and is also into girls.

Been trying to tell op this for years

No offense, but if you're 5'3 dating apps simply will not produce a good result .

Online dating is highly superficial , and even the most basic women have way better options on there as far as attractiveness...

Online dating apps are certainly in decline Imo though

If you aren't stereotypically attractive ...then you are gonna have to dig a little deeper to get something going than swiping on an app

Yeah that's another thing, your social circle can't be a bunch of nerds who talk about Nintendo Switch. You need a social circle of normal guys who have social skills to attract women and not scare them away.

In on 10 page thread

Need to be around dudes who are on their purpose and not a bunch of Nintendo switch playing geeks

That's right

No you're not.