You cant call it what you want. Tangible benefit, or whatever. I am making real choices in life based on variables. I am giving you the big picture of my decision process, I dont make ultimate decisions in silos. (black/white)

So no, I was not willing to walk from a girl that had all those other items checked off my priority list. It took me 2 decades to even meet someone that had all those qualities. I wasn't going to let a piece of paper stop me from building a family with her. Its really inconsequential to me because I wanted to have all those details outlined well beyond a "marraige contract" anyways for the sake of my estate and children. It was just a part of the process.

I was even open to "adopting a religion" if that was important to the girl that had all the other check boxes. Again, not a big deal to me. The items that I listed ARE a big deal so you just have to understand what your priorities are and go after them. There are very few things in life that are completely black and white.

Most people equate marraige with the typical scenario, a man with money marrying a woman that has no assets and taking half of everything when things dont work out. That is not my reality and I dont condone that type of situation to anyone. But when two people with high value come together, you bet your arsssse there is documentation and paperwork way deeper than a "marraige contract" that gets put in place. Its just good practice to have your ducks in a row. Its not just about what is yours and mine. A bond between two families is much more complicated than that.

Right! Most of these things people do are because they want to look good or please other people. You have to truly want it yourself. The more people tell me "Marriage is the best thing that will happen to you, you should just grow up and be a condescending adult like the rest of us" The more I feel it's a scam like how college has become. I will not purposely pursue chicks for marriage, but along the way if I meet someone sane, I might consider it, but only because it's MY decision.

The pedestalizing of mortal humans needs to stop too, if you put a mortal on a pedestal, they will only let you down. I will do what it takes to protect my livelihood and assets because I COME FIRST as a human being and without a doubt the other woman will do what she thinks benefits her because SHE THINKS SHE COMES FIRST as well. People need to stop pretending this is some selfless deed. Fuk that, the fact you are getting married is for selfishness in the first place.

there wasn't any downside financial risk with her at all. quite the contrary. one of her fellow residents just signed a deal for 250k/yr. 200-250 was guaranteed. the real downside was that she was rapidly turning into a kunt though LOL.

Lol. Guess there's always gotta be a reason why someone who seems such a good catch is still single

says she loves me on date 3

after about a month she starts drawing pictures of which walls in my house are gonna get knocked down

goes through all of my stuff and starts organizing it to her taste

keeps telling me i don't smile enough around her friends and family (because they're nutjobs just like you, bitch...why the fukk would i smile?)

etc.

on the plus side, she was getting laser hair removal on her pussy....hnnngggg

thinking about texting her

semisrs

I feel like society kind of forces you to at some point. I've heard it can be a major limitation in the work world if you're not married, as people see you as a weirdo.

In short, it's not really about your insecurities, but other peoples'; if they see you reject marriage, they freak out

I get veins popping out on the side of my neck and forehead from clenching so hard whenever I hear married brahs trying to 1up each other and brag about what they can't do and who has the stricter wife. "Happy wife, happy life" is one of the gayest phrase I've ever heard.

My point is finding one that will provide those things indefinitely without eventually pushing for marriage. You are going to be hard phucking pressed to find that, and are a bit delusional to think otherwise.

best post I've read
If you've got everything you need, it's a no-brainer to compromise a little to fulfil your mate's desires. Life isn't just all about take take take, specially with your SO

You can laugh all you want bro. Go find a pretty female with good genes (5'7 130lbs), high moral values and a net worth north of 7 figures and you tell me if you would walk because her father wanted you to take a marraige test at church and get married in a church. In fact, she had all the qualities mentioned above and to top it all off drove a 10 year old honda accord, had no ******** or instagram or any of that crap because she didnt need self validation from strangers. That was the icing on the cake.

I have walked from other girls with high net worth before. But it wasnt because of religion or the need for marraige contracts. It was because they didnt make that money on their own. It was pure inheritance. I wanted a woman who could make her own money. In case I died and she was left to bear the burden of raising the family, I wanted to be with a woman who could put food on the table if necessary. Again not everything is black and white and you can call me a cuck if you want but at the end of the day, the big picture will always prevail.

I actually don't disagree with you on this post, but there have been a many of dudes who go into relationships without thinking those things, and end up being "cucked" because of it. so its a vicious circle, i've seen it time and time again.

I think as long as you stay aware. While not vocalizing or interpreting those thoughts into actions, then you might even have the edge.

Spot on. Especially the last paragraph. Too many dudes marrying women with NOTHING, and the women think their companionship is worth a 7 digit bank account. Too many cases of the man elevating the woman's status. However, I see people who have their own things going while still bringing stuff to the table have healthy relationships and not holding things over each other's heads.

What we fail to denote are people of quality with quality upbringing and people that are not from quality upbringing. I hate to say it but there are class alignments for a reason, and class has nothing to do with money. When my parents immigrated here they lost all their money because most of their wealth was held in land and business in their home country. They however did not lose their "class" so they were able to teach me the right way to do things growing up. That class transcends money. Plenty of "working class" immigrants also came to america and became very rich because they used their fishing trade to make money. They were still raising their kids with the class values they were taught.

So when you hear about the stories of women cucking men or cheating and infidelity etc, what are the details? What was the woman and man's background? How were they raised?
This will tell you a lot. My wife has 19 immediate aunts and uncles. (Im not counting the in laws) Her father had 12 brothers and sisters and her mother has 9 brothers and sisters. Out of the 19, 14 are married, and out of the 14 only 1 has been divorced. This is very different from the 50% divorce rate people throw around. This should be indicative of the social fabric and upbringing my wife was exposed to.

Bingo. My wife and I argue about things, like all couples do. But we VERY rarely ever argue about money or how we raise our children. Those are core things that we saw dead eye to eye on and made sure of it before starting a family. Communication and money issues are your biggest reasons why couples have issues.

But you are the biggest pussy in this entire thread. You typed a whole bunch of chit and still haven't given 1 solid reason to get married other than "man up".

Doing something that is clearly not in your best interest to cave into shaming is the absolute biggest pussy move humanly possible.

I can't explain what the actual benefits are. I'm not as against marriage as the misc is, but I'm also not totally on board either.

I wouldn't call you a cuck at all. Just insanely desperate and no self-respect at all. You're going to become a muslim so you can land a wife? Chit dude. What kind of woman would even ask you to "adopt a religion"? What a nightmare you are setting yourself up for. How could you even look your future kids in the eyes after basically selling your soul for some pussy?

Damn, he found himself a good Muslim woman/HBB? Kind of jelly.

He didn't sign any papers.

I guess it goes back to his argument of knowing your priorities....for me personally, becoming a Muslim goes way past the line.

You must have reading comprehension issues so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. Did you not read anything else I wrote?
You are one of those people that only choose to filter bits of information that enables you to formulate the hypothesis you already have in your head.

If you can demonstrate to me that you in fact read everything else that I wrote and that you comprehend the rest and still disagree with me then I am open to discussing further with you. Until then you are either trolling or dumb.

Life partner / best friend that will be loyal to you

Company for life, someone to talk to and laugh with, never be lonely

Regular sex

The pleasure of kids

Someone to cook for you and clean your clothes

Love

Support , someone that cares about you probably more than anyone else

Someone to sleep beside

Reminds me Tucker Carlson..can't give a reason.

Thank you for reading the detail. You dont necessarily have to "become" anything.
Your belief is your belief. Just because you adhere to muslim or christian or whatever religion and do the things the girl's parents do out of their tradition doesn't actually mean you praise their god and live by their word. Thats your decision. I dated an ultra respectful girl in my 20's. She was the one that wanted to get married and had a trust fund but she was still floating through life not knowing what she wanted to be, so I had to let her go. But she was super respectful towards my parents and she would attend temple with them from time to time and light incense and follow along with some of the tradition that my parents hold in high value. I did the same if her parents were going to church and asked if we wanted to go. Just because you oblige doesnt mean you are a religious. Its called giving some.

If I met a 10/10 HBB perfectly loyal, ultra thoughtful, world renown cook, genius, motherly billionaire that happened to adhere to muslim culture, you bet your arseee I would get married in a mosque to make her father happy.

So you wouldn't have to start praying towards Mecca five times a day? If it's just getting married in a mosque, then I'd probably be down with all of those other benefits.

But then what about raising your kids Muslim?

You don't need to get married to have a family.

I was raised and plan to raise my kids with exposure. I was taken to non denominational christian church, we would listen to talks from buddhist monks, etc. For me, im not religious but if I had to choose one, buddhism makes the most logical sense.

I will expose my kids to information and let them decide what they want to believe as long as it influences into being well rounded non greedy people.

To answer your first question. If praying to mecca 5 times a day was what was keeping me from marrying my future 10/10 HBB billionaire genius wife then you bet your arse I would be going through the motion. Call me a sell out. I call it setting the right priorities and not having to big of an ego to compromise to get what you want.

Good points if you hit the jackpot.