Feel The Johnson: Gary Johnson just 2 points from debates!

07-25-2016, 08:46 AM

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Feel The Johnson: Gary Johnson just 2 points from debates!

Johnson now just a few points from being included in the debates. I'd really like to see him in the debates, which could be a real game changer. Johnson actually polls above Trump or HC in some segments, such as active duty mil. If he does not get into the debates, chances of any upsets are obviously very remote. If he's part of the debates and a large % of the population is exposed to what they perceive as a viable alternative, I' think he'd have a legit chance if he performed well in a debate. I have never seen him in a live debate, and that's a skill set he'd better have in spades between those those two vipers.

And before anyone uses the "A vote for Johnson is a vote for HC" do your homework. Things on the ground are changing rapidly, so even these recent polls could have changed by now:

Election Update: Is Gary Johnson Taking More Support From Clinton Or Trump?

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...nton-or-trump/

Most recent I could find:

Poll Finds Opening for Third-Party Candidates as Clinton, Trump Remain Unpopular

https://www.********.com/kdecollibus...69391493719736

If this vid resonates with you as it does me, then start looking into Johnson and Weld. Weld was the Gov. of my state and the last effective and popular Gov. MA had:

07-25-2016, 08:49 AM

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open borders no thanks bro

07-25-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩

open borders no thanks bro

Then vote Dump bro. This thread is for those who can't see themselves voting for HC or Dump as a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Some of his positions are spot on (Gun, drugs, etc), some not so much, but if we want the two party death grip on our system broken, there we have it. He aint perfect by any means, but being Libertarian oriented as I am (or more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over...) I'll be happy to take my chances 100 times over with Johnson vs Trump or HC.

People that wanna know more:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Personally, I just want to see him make it to the debates.

07-26-2016, 07:51 AM

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I thought this was interesting. Many assume pissed Bernie followers will just default to HC, but just means they don't really understand the Bernie voters. I think if Trump and or Johnson play it right, they will pick up the majority of Bernie voters:

" A June 14 Bloomberg Politics national poll of likely voters in November’s election found that barely half of those who favored Sanders -- 55 percent -- plan to vote for Clinton. Instead, 22 percent say they’ll vote for Trump, while 18 percent favor Libertarian Gary Johnson. “I’m a registered Democrat, but I cannot bring myself to vote for another establishment politician like Hillary,” says Laura Armes, a 43-year-old homemaker from Beeville, Texas, who participated in the Bloomberg poll and plans to vote for Trump. “I don’t agree with a lot of what Trump says. But he won’t owe anybody. What you see is what you get.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/ar...upport-clinton

07-26-2016, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted By dhawkeye1980⏩

open borders no thanks bro

Open borders only work when there is no welfare state, which I'm pretty sure the libertarians are all about eliminating.

07-26-2016, 08:00 AM

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right on man. I'm voting gary for sure, even if I have to write it in like a bitch.

If we can at least get into the debates then maybe we will have a few less people throwing themselves at what they perceive are the only two options.

go gary 2016

07-26-2016, 08:01 AM

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That Johnson gives me so many feels

Gary 2016

07-26-2016, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Then vote Dump bro. This thread is for those who can't see themselves voting for HC or Dump as a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Some of his positions are spot on (Gun, drugs, etc), some not so much, but if we want the two party death grip on our system broken, there we have it. He aint perfect by any means, but being Libertarian oriented as I am (or more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over...) I'll be happy to take my chances 100 times over with Johnson vs Trump or HC.

People that wanna know more:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Personally, I just want to see him make it to the debates.

Open borders trumps EVERYTHING literally nothing else matters if you have open boarders as everything else collapses. It's just like how the 2nd amendment is the most important as without it everything else falls.

07-26-2016, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted By BaySeaAnd⏩

right on man. I'm voting gary for sure, even if I have to write it in like a bitch.

If we can at least get into the debates then maybe we will have a few less people throwing themselves at what they perceive are the only two options.

go gary 2016

That!

07-26-2016, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted By CoolKnees⏩

what the f did I just watch

07-26-2016, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted By joecayse⏩

Open borders only work when there is no welfare state, which I'm pretty sure the libertarians are all about eliminating.

Open borders never work. Welfare is irrelevant. People will just vote themselves whatever they want, and your libertarian beliefs go back to irrelevancy. This doesn't even include the amount if trash you could easily allow into your country without proper vetting.

Libertarianism has value in some policy, but lmao at real libertarianism.

07-26-2016, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted By joecayse⏩

Open borders only work when there is no welfare state, which I'm pretty sure the libertarians are all about eliminating.

Open boarders would pass way before people would vote away their handouts. Open boarders shouldn't even be mentioned unless a ton of other things happen first.

07-26-2016, 08:07 AM

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I've been following Gary Johnson for a while now. I think he has a lot of interesting ideas and a great perspective on where we should be headed as a nation. I won't pretend to act like I know a lot about politics but his consumption tax or fair tax reform proposal was interesting. I know he was on the Joe Rogan podcast a while ago. He came off a bit loony to me with his anti-establishment rant, but I like him. I aligned well with him on isidewith.com.

07-26-2016, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted By Killpacka⏩

I've been following Gary Johnson for a while now. I think he has a lot of interesting ideas and a great perspective on where we should be headed as a nation. I won't pretend to act like I know a lot about politics but his consumption tax or fair tax reform proposal was interesting. I know he was on the Joe Rogan podcast a while ago. He came off a bit loony to me with his anti-establishment rant, but I like him. I aligned well with him on isidewith.com.

The reality is it's no longer an intellectual exercise: do you like him enough to vote for him or do you prefer Dump or HC? Those are your choices.

07-27-2016, 07:33 AM

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Latest polls show both candidates very unpopular. Hence a legit alternative, if people were convinced it was a viable candidate vs "throw away" vote, Johnson could win if he made the debates and made a solid impression on people:

"Trump's convention has improved views of him on three of the four presidential qualities in the poll, but majorities still see him as unprepared for the presidency (58 percent), not honest (56 percent), and lacking the temperament and personality to be president (61 percent). Most voters -- 56 percent -- continue to see him as a strong leader; those views have not changed since May."

"Hillary Clinton heads into her convention in a better position than Trump on some qualities, but still facing deficits. Half of voters see her as having the right temperament, being prepared for the presidency, and as a strong leader. But two in three voters continue to think she is not honest and trustworthy -- just 29 percent saying that she is trustworthy."

That 29% apparently spent no time actually looking into her behavior.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/poll-hil...ic-convention/

07-27-2016, 07:37 AM

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07-27-2016, 07:41 AM

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Can't beleive "Feel the Johnson" is really his campaign slogan

07-27-2016, 07:45 AM

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Gonna vote for the first time this November and it will be the
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07-27-2016, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Then vote Dump bro. This thread is for those who can't see themselves voting for HC or Dump as a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Some of his positions are spot on (Gun, drugs, etc), some not so much, but if we want the two party death grip on our system broken, there we have it. He aint perfect by any means, but being Libertarian oriented as I am (or more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over...) I'll be happy to take my chances 100 times over with Johnson vs Trump or HC.

People that wanna know more:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

Personally, I just want to see him make it to the debates.

Enjoy enabling right wing views to be demographically destroyed.

Sorry but Johnson isn't even a libertarian, he brags about agreeing with the geriatric commie 73% of the time

07-27-2016, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted By NVious⏩

Enjoy enabling right wing views to be demographically destroyed.

Sorry but Johnson isn't even a libertarian, he brags about agreeing with the geriatric commie 73% of the time

He's more a Libertarian than Trump is a conservative, but Johnson is not a true Libertarian by any means, hence why he was a two time GOP gov. Weld was a way left of center GOP gov of my state(1), and was the last effective and popular Gov MA had. He's not even close to perfect, but I tend to side with Johnson far more often on his positions/views than I do current GOP or Dem. Both of them have an actual track record we can look at, both did well by their respective states, both re elected, both with extensive experience getting chit done, etc, etc. Perfect they are not. Better choices than what the GOP or Dem have put forth for us? Oh hell yes.

For his actual positions of Johnson see:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

(1) Since moved out of the People's Republic of MA

07-27-2016, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted By A0wner21⏩

Gonna vote for the first time this November and it will be the
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If a pollster calls you, make sure to tell them, you are voting GJ.

07-27-2016, 07:59 AM

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Gary Johnson is an open-border wanting idiot who stands no chance in the election. Also, lol at the idiots who think that "without a welfare state, then open borders aren't so bad." Let's flood your country with impoverished Mexicans and Muslims who destroyed their own countries and see how well it goes. Never mind the fact that it'd be the last time he ever got elected because after they got in, they'd vote for the candidate promising a welfare state, like they do now.

07-27-2016, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

He's more a Libertarian than Trump is a conservative, but Johnson is not a true Libertarian by any means, hence why he was a two time GOP gov. Weld was a way left of center GOP gov of my state(1), and was the last effective and popular Gov MA had. He's not even close to perfect, but I tend to side with Johnson far more often on his positions/views than I do current GOP or Dem. Both of them have an actual track record we can look at, both did well by their respective states, both re elected, both with extensive experience getting chit done, etc, etc. Perfect they are not. Better choices than what the GOP or Dem have put forth for us? Oh hell yes.

For his actual positions of Johnson see:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Gary_Johnson.htm

(1) Since moved out of the People's Republic of MA

Not interested in a moral relativist who would be an illegal apologist, demographics matter and Trump is the only one speaking up for right wing interests, see:

http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...post1454368233

http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...post1454313243

And you can read the rest of my posts ITT, Johnson is absolutely not going to do anything for the viability of right wing views in America (which are entirely based on demographics).

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Originally Posted By NVious⏩

Not interested in a moral relativist who would be an illegal apologist, demographics matter and Trump is the only one speaking up for right wing interests, see:

http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...post1454368233

http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showth...post1454313243

And you can read the rest of my posts ITT, Johnson is absolutely not going to do anything for the viability of right wing views in America (which are entirely based on demographics).

I am even more motivated to vote for GJ. Thanks for the info!

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Johnson making the debates would do nothing but hurt Trump. People that vote for him will be primarily coming from the Republivan party so I hope he doesn't make it. Not to mention he supports open borders which is quite possibly the most retarded thing of all time.

07-27-2016, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted By JimFromRaleigh1⏩

I am even more motivated to vote for GJ. Thanks for the info!

Are you sure you don't want to vote for Trump? Have you seen the popularity of his sub? Think of the karma.

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Originally Posted By NVious⏩

Not interested in a moral relativist who would be an illegal apologist, demographics matter and Trump is the only one speaking up for right wing interests, see:

And I don't give a damn about "right wing interests" thanx. This thread is really for those interested in alternatives to the current two party choices. As your mind already made up, probably not a thread you'll get much from.

Personally, I'd just like to see Johnson get in the debates and make his case vs HC and Trump as a counter to the two party death grip they have on the system. Per polls, there's more than enough dissatisfied voters out there to make a difference in this election, which is like no election before it.

If Trump is your choice, then vote for him. I will hold my nose and vote for him before I'd ever vote for HC, I can say that much.

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

And I don't give a damn about "right wing interests" thanx. This thread is really for those interested in alternatives to the current two party choices. As your mind already made up, probably not a thread you'll get much from.

Personally, I'd just like to see Johnson get in the debates and make his case vs HC and Trump as a counter to the two party death grip they have on the system. Per polls, there's more than enough dissatisfied voters out there to make a difference in this election, which is like no election before it.

If Trump is your choice, then vote for him. I will hold my nose and vote for him before I'd ever vote for HC, I can say that much.

Alright cool, just know that if he's a part of helping whites become a minority (like he is with his visas and generally cuckery), you're dooming future generations in not being able to win elections due to the coming demographic reality.