Feel The Johnson: Gary Johnson just 2 points from debates!

07-27-2016, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted By gentilhomme⏩

Johnson making the debates would do nothing but hurt Trump. People that vote for him will be primarily coming from the Republivan party so I hope he doesn't make it. Not to mention he supports open borders which is quite possibly the most retarded thing of all time.

Everything you have said is demonstrably false and you're clearly guessing. Every poll to date shows HC harmed more by a third party candidate than Trump. Do some research. Now, it's possible if he made the debates it could harm Trump more than HC, but that's not how it's looking so far and a third party candidate actually helps Trump in the polls.

07-27-2016, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

And I don't give a damn about "right wing interests" thanx. This thread is really for those interested in alternatives to the current two party choices. As your mind already made up, probably not a thread you'll get much from.

Personally, I'd just like to see Johnson get in the debates and make his case vs HC and Trump as a counter to the two party death grip they have on the system. Per polls, there's more than enough dissatisfied voters out there to make a difference in this election, which is like no election before it.

If Trump is your choice, then vote for him. I will hold my nose and vote for him before I'd ever vote for HC, I can say that much.

The more I look into him the more I see that he may have a chance of doing serious damage if not outright winning the presidency if he gets on the debates.

Think about it;

-He gets points alone for simply not having the name Trump or Clinton (many of which are simply voting for because they're a "lesser of two evil") Johnson is that 3rd option. If people can put a face to the name and hear what he stands for he can very well be a formidable opponent for Trumpton. Also, he's middle of the road on a lot of issues which will attract people from both sides of the aisle.

-We've been bombarded with hateful and terrible news stories regarding Trump and Hillary for 1.5 years, and even if they started attacking Johnson today, it wouldn't put a dent in the amount of chit thats already circulating about Trump and Hillary.

07-27-2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩

The more I look into him the more I see that he may have a chance of doing serious damage if not outright winning the presidency if he gets on the debates.

Think about it;

-He gets points alone for simply not having the name Trump or Clinton (many of which are simply voting for because they're a "lesser of two evil") Johnson is that 3rd option. If people can put a face to the name and hear what he stands for he can very well be a formidable opponent for Trumpton. Also, he's middle of the road on a lot of issues which will attract people from both sides of the aisle.

-We've been bombarded with hateful and terrible news stories regarding Trump and Hillary for 1.5 years, and even if they started attacking Johnson today, it wouldn't put a dent in the amount of chit thats already circulating about Trump and Hillary.

The polls showing the large % of voters in both parties very unhappy with their choices, the fact he's running double digit in polls even though most have no clue who he is, etc tells us that's 100% truth. If he does not poll high enough to get in the debates, than I agree with others that his chances are very slim and polls currently suggest his inclusion more a negative to HC per links supplied in the OP.

People need to start using their noggins vs making knee jerk comments without doing any research.

What I care about is the candidate that will most closely follow the US Const. as their guide. That was Rand Paul in the GOP and now Johnson.

If anyone thinks Trump or HC will do so are living in total fantasy land.

07-27-2016, 09:29 AM

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I hope he makes it so people who only follow mainstream media be aware of him and his platform. Like he said "most sane people are libertarians but they don't know it"

07-27-2016, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted By Maestro⏩

The more I look into him the more I see that he may have a chance of doing serious damage if not outright winning the presidency if he gets on the debates.

Think about it;

-He gets points alone for simply not having the name Trump or Clinton (many of which are simply voting for because they're a "lesser of two evil") Johnson is that 3rd option. If people can put a face to the name and hear what he stands for he can very well be a formidable opponent for Trumpton. Also, he's middle of the road on a lot of issues which will attract people from both sides of the aisle.

-We've been bombarded with hateful and terrible news stories regarding Trump and Hillary for 1.5 years, and even if they started attacking Johnson today, it wouldn't put a dent in the amount of chit thats already circulating about Trump and Hillary.

yes! all of this

07-27-2016, 09:39 AM

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The fact that people actually want Gary Johnson, and think he is a viable presidential candidate, is scary. Trump and Hillary are terrible, but GJ is an absolute loony bin.

SMH I am Libertarian on a lot of issues, but I would never, and I mean never, even think about voting for Gary Johnson.

This thread is depressing. GJ supporters are almost as bad as bernie supporters

07-27-2016, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩

The fact that people actually want Gary Johnson, and think he is a viable presidential candidate, is scary. Trump and Hillary are terrible, but GJ is an absolute loony bin.

SMH I am Libertarian on a lot of issues, but I would never, and I mean never, even think about voting for Gary Johnson.

This thread is depressing. GJ supporters are almost as bad as bernie supporters

Then vote HC or Trump. I'll take a loony two time GOP gov with experience, who balanced budgets, who actually "gets" the US Const and has been on message since day one (vs the 180s both Trump and HC have done over the years) any day all day. That you wouldn't is depressing...

07-27-2016, 10:35 AM

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Johnson is a pathetic excuse for a libertarian. If you can even call him that. Don't want the country's first national stage introduction to a libertarian being this fool

07-27-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

If he does not get into the debates, chances of any upsets are obviously very remote.

They are not very remote. Barring the tragic and untimely death of Donald Trump and Hilly Clinton the day before the election, Gary Johnson only has a chance of taking votes from one candidate and sinking their election hopes.

Having him on the debate stage will only serve to distract us from hearing the real candidates statements. They might as well allow me on the debate stage.

Just my 0.02.

Originally Posted By ~Hades~⏩

yes! all of this

Are you mad?

You honestly think he would pull enough Dems or Reps coupled with Independents to WIN an election?

Originally Posted By Maestro⏩

The more I look into him the more I see that he may have a chance of doing serious damage if not outright winning the presidency if he gets on the debates.

Damage indeed. He will sink another candidates ship by ramming his own into theirs.

07-27-2016, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted By second2noneBrah⏩

Johnson is a pathetic excuse for a libertarian. If you can even call him that. Don't want the country's first national stage introduction to a libertarian being this fool

BRB, voting for Trump who's not even close to a true conservative but wouldn't vote for Johnson because he's not a true Libertarian. OK...I have already commented on that:

He's more a Libertarian than Trump is a conservative, but Johnson is not a true Libertarian by any means, hence why he was a two time GOP gov. Weld was a way left of center GOP gov of my state(1), and was the last effective and popular Gov MA had. He's not even close to perfect, but I tend to side with Johnson far more often on his positions/views than I do current GOP or Dem. Both of them have an actual track record we can look at, both did well by their respective states, both re elected, both with extensive experience getting chit done, etc, etc. Perfect they are not. Better choices than what the GOP or Dem have put forth for us? Oh hell yes.

07-27-2016, 10:40 AM

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I'm so excited guys

We have a real chance of making this guy the next Ross Perot

07-27-2016, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Then vote Dump bro. This thread is for those who can't see themselves voting for HC or Dump as a vote for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil. Some of his positions are spot on (Gun, drugs, etc), some not so much, but if we want the two party death grip on our system broken, there we have it. He aint perfect by any means, but being Libertarian oriented as I am (or more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over...) I'll be happy to take my chances 100 times over with Johnson vs Trump or HC.

People that wanna know more:

Personally, I just want to see him make it to the debates.

I agree that Gary is the best option, but I want to know:

"more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over.."

Who are these old school "conservatives" that you are referring to? Don't say Reagan.

07-27-2016, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩

They are not very remote. Barring the tragic and untimely death of Donald Trump and Hilly Clinton the day before the election, Gary Johnson only has a chance of taking votes from one candidate and sinking their election hopes.

Having him on the debate stage will only serve to distract us from hearing the real candidates statements. They might as well allow me on the debate stage.

Just my 0.02.

Either your reading comp skills in need of improvement or you're intentionally pulling that out of context. Please read what I wrote closely brah.

07-27-2016, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Either your reading comp skills in need of improvement or you're intentionally pulling that out of context. Please read what I wrote closely brah.

If he does not get into the debates, chances of any upsets are obviously very remote. If he's part of the debates and a large % of the population is exposed to what they perceive as a viable alternative, I' think he'd have a legit chance if he performed well in a debate.

You said the chances of "any upsets" are very remote... and then "he'd have a legit chance..." in context to a Presidential race

I'm assuming you mean in winning the election. How is my reading comprehension in need of work?

07-27-2016, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted By RonaldMcflurry⏩

I agree that Gary is the best option, but I want to know:

"more like old school GOP which was fiscally "conservative" and socially "liberal" before right wing neocons took it over.."

Who are these old school "conservatives" that you are referring to? Don't say Reagan.

Reagan was where the entire problem started by pandering to the religious right, the "moral majority" and others who essentially destroyed the GOP. I didn't use the term conservative to describe the GOP but to describe the fiscally conservative philosophy coupled with socially liberal stances. Remember, the Dem was the old boy racist party of the south and the GOP the party of Lincoln et al. prior to the switch over. The GOP has done more for civil rights in the past than any Dem ever has. MLK jr was a Republican.

07-27-2016, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Latest polls show both candidates very unpopular. Hence a legit alternative, if people were convinced it was a viable candidate vs "throw away" vote, Johnson could win if he made the debates and made a solid impression on people:

This. Both parties need to learn that money and ratings are not the best ways to pick their party's candidates. Hillary and Trump get ratings and air time becausethey are trainwrecks, not because they are quality candidates.

07-27-2016, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

BRB, voting for Trump who's not even close to a true conservative but wouldn't vote for Johnson because he's not a true Libertarian. OK...I have already commented on that:

He's more a Libertarian than Trump is a conservative, but Johnson is not a true Libertarian by any means, hence why he was a two time GOP gov. Weld was a way left of center GOP gov of my state(1), and was the last effective and popular Gov MA had. He's not even close to perfect, but I tend to side with Johnson far more often on his positions/views than I do current GOP or Dem. Both of them have an actual track record we can look at, both did well by their respective states, both re elected, both with extensive experience getting chit done, etc, etc. Perfect they are not. Better choices than what the GOP or Dem have put forth for us? Oh hell yes.

I'm not conservative either. I would consider myself a libertarian nationalist. Donald trump appeals to my nationalist side. I don't believe he's the lesser of 2 evils. I believe he's a good candidate

07-27-2016, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted By second2noneBrah⏩

I'm not conservative either. I would consider myself a libertarian nationalist. Donald trump appeals to my nationalist side.

Which is exactly what he set out to do and has obviously done it effectively. It's from an old play book. How much of it does he actually mean vs playing a character? I have no idea. Some of it appeals to me too, much of it just noise and bluster.

07-27-2016, 11:03 AM

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So OP, question. What makes you think Gary Johnson is a good candidate? Do you think he would be a good leader for America?

And don't give me "oh he's better than Trump and Hillary."

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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩

So OP, question. What makes you think Gary Johnson is a good candidate? Do you think he would be a good leader for America?

Compared to our current choices? I'll repost yet again my position there:

I tend to side with Johnson far more often on his positions/views than I do current GOP or Dem. Both of them have an actual track record we can look at, both did well by their respective states, both re elected easlly, both with extensive experience getting chit done, etc, etc. Perfect they are not. Better choices than what the GOP or Dem have put forth for us? Oh hell yes.

Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩

And don't give me "oh he's better than Trump and Hillary."

Why not? What makes HC or Dump superior choices? Not a damn thing. To repeat: if you feel one of the two candidates is a legit choice for POTUS, vote for them. If you're in the camp of many who can't believe those are our only two choices, than this is the thread for you.

Rand Paul should have been the GOP guy by a wide margin, but the GOP paid no attention to him, and now they have Trump and are wondering WTF happened. Dems are well, Dems, so not much to add there if you're a HC/Dem.

07-27-2016, 11:29 AM

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I liked him when he was my states governor. I'd like him as el presidente as well.

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Originally Posted By veggie530⏩

You said the chances of "any upsets" are very remote...

And you responded: "They are not very remote. "

In context, I said if he can get in the debates, makes a good impression, etc, there's more than enough unhappy Dems and Repubs - per polls - that would potentially vote for another candidate if they thought he was a viable candidate.

If he does not get into the debates, his chances are very remote.

Read what I what I wrote closely.

Then you said:

"Barring the tragic and untimely death of Donald Trump and Hilly Clinton the day before the election, Gary Johnson only has a chance of taking votes from one candidate and sinking their election hopes."

I have already addressed that one and it's two party scare mongering nonsense. Two, voting your conscience is never a wasted vote regardless of the outcome. Three, assuming your a Trump guy, all polls find a third party candidate helps Trump and harms HC so far, which I cover in this thread.

07-27-2016, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted By RudeKong⏩

I liked him when he was my states governor. I'd like him as el presidente as well.

Assuming you mean Johnson vs Weld, my understanding was he was a popular Gov and most liked him. Weld was also popular in MA when he was Gov of MA, which was my state at the time. Weld was really a uber liberal GOP, but that's the only type of GOP that ever gets elected in MA. I don't agree with him on various issues, 2A Rights in particular, but Johnson is GTG on that issue, and anyone who is a single issue voter of 2A should be pushing for Johnson to get on those debates as hard as they can.

07-27-2016, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

Assuming you mean Johnson vs Weld, my understanding was he was a popular Gov and most liked him. Weld was also popular in MA when he was Gov of MA, which was my state at the time. Weld was really a uber liberal GOP, but that's the only type of GOP that ever gets elected in MA. I don't agree with him on various issues, 2A Rights in particular, but Johnson is GTG on that issue, and anyone who is a single issue voter of 2A should be pushing for Johnson to get on those debates as hard as they can.

Yes although I was fairly young while Johnson was Gov of NM I remember him being well liked by everyone and also remember him being pretty (pro)active in the state. Definitely a lot more than our current governor who has no idea what she is doing.

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gary johnson supports open borders and amnesty for illegals. he wants taxpayers to pay for them too.

just bend over and spread your cheeks if you plan on voting for this cuck.

07-27-2016, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted By thejizzer⏩

gary johnson supports open borders and amnesty for illegals. he wants taxpayers to pay for them too.

just bend over and spread your cheeks if you plan on voting for this cuck.

A highly popular two time Gov of aborder statewith actual experience dealing with it. Yet, things only improved for the most part when he was Gov. Best to look at actual track records of people and their success/failures vs repeat chit you don't fully understand but think you do.

Track record of HC = total fail

Track record of Trump = Total unknown as a politician, host of reality show, checkered biz past, has done a 180 on most major issues,

Johnson = Solid overall track record and very consistent on his message. A funny dude, a bit of a loon, likes da weed.

The maff is simple there if you can take all of two seconds to do it.

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Originally Posted By WillBrink⏩

A highly popular two time Gov of aborder statewith actual experience dealing with it. Yet, things only improved for the most part when he was Gov. Best to look at actual track records of people and their success/failures vs repeat chit you don't fully understand but think you do.

Track record of HC = total fail

Track record of Trump = Total unknown as a politician, host of reality show, checkered biz past, has done a 180 on most major issues,

Johnson = Solid overall track record and very consistent on his message. A funny dude, a bit of a loon, likes da weed.

The maff is simple there if you can take all of two seconds to do it.

Seen the crime rate of NM? It's horrible.

http://www.criminaljusticedegreehub.com/states/

http://watchdog.org/126467/nm-fbi-crime/

From the article:

In a state-by-state comparison of FBI crime statistics released Thursday, New Mexico finished worst in the nation in burglary, 48th in forcible rape and 47th in each of the following categories: violent crime, aggravated assault and property crimes.

In fact, New Mexico finished in the bottom half of the states in all nine of the categories listed by the website CriminalJusticeDegreeHub.com, which compiled the numbers.

The site ranked all 50 states in crime categories and produced an interactive graphic allowing viewers to look at each state how it ranks, according to such as murder, forcible rape, auto theft, robberies, assault and more.

It surprises me but on the other hand it doesnt, said Rep. Paul Pacheco, R-Rio Rancho, a retired police officer. Two major drug arteries run right through Albuquerque. Youve got I-40 and I-25 The vast majority of drugs either go through New Mexico or over New Mexico. Thats a problem.

Other states on the southern border fared badly, although not as poorly as New Mexico.

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A vote for this clown is a vote for Clinton. He has no chance, and recent polling clearly demonstrates that when he jumps in the polls, Trump drops and vice versa. He's stealing Trump votes in the way Bernie (as a third party) would steal Clinton votes. The more popular this guy gets, the better for Clinton.

07-27-2016, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted By gentilhomme⏩

Johnson making the debates would do nothing but hurt Trump. People that vote for him will be primarily coming from the Republivan party so I hope he doesn't make it. Not to mention he supports open borders which is quite possibly the most retarded thing of all time.

Actually, according to 538 he's hurting Clinton more.

And the open borders thing is literally the only gripe people have with him. Seeing as I think it's a non-issue that would never in a million years make it through Congress, you'd have to move onto his other policies, which he gets right a helluva lot more than either Trump or Hillary.

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oh and he wants to take in Syrians as well

http://nmpoliticalreport.com/21056/f...candals-syria/

From the article:

He told NM Political Report the United States is at least partially to blame for the situation many Syrian refugees are currently facing.

[The U.S.] should take our fair share,Johnson said. We more than share in the responsibility for them being there in the first place.

He admitted he doesnt know how much a fair share would be, but that it could be figured out mathematically.

While some Republican governors publicly announced their intentions to deny the entry of Syrian refugees into their respective states, Martinez said she opposed the plan to accept them without a more comprehensive plan.

Recently, the governor of Indiana was sued by the American Civil Liberties Union for attempting to block state services to refugees.

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