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Originally Posted By Peter
In their opinion, we should just accept defeat and allow China to become the next superpower.I'll have you know that I'm using a homemade abacus I created using only the finest American wood from trees grown in the northwest. Now what?
In all seriousness, China will blink first if Trump sticks to his guns.
In all seriousness, China will blink first if Trump sticks to his guns.
Bend to your Chinese overlords, America deserves it.
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Originally Posted By Peter
Ok, I seriously LOL IRL. Sorry brah...sometimes I hit below the belt when I shouldnt. I deleted the post.I'll have you know that I'm using a homemade abacus I created using only the finest American wood from trees grown in the northwest. Now what?
In all seriousness, China will blink first if Trump sticks to his guns.
In all seriousness, China will blink first if Trump sticks to his guns.
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
Unhinged. PM him if you want throw a hissy fit about your fake moral superiority. Wtf is wrong with you?Bullchit....trying to pass urself off as a 'conservative' when in fact he is prototypical liberal that doesnt accept personal responsibility? Absolutely belongs in the forum.
Yall make fun of linuxJon (tbh...so do I. who the phuck bets to set their hair on fire ?!) and noliberals for making bullchit contradictory statements.
Yall make fun of linuxJon (tbh...so do I. who the phuck bets to set their hair on fire ?!) and noliberals for making bullchit contradictory statements.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
It already is the economic superpower. The only thing the U.S. has is military superiority really, it's even behind the EU on terms of GDP (PPP).In their opinion, we should just accept defeat and allow China to become the next superpower.
Bend to your Chinese overlords, America deserves it.
Bend to your Chinese overlords, America deserves it.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
No sh*t. I'm talking top dog superpower. #1 superpower. You know, the thing the US has now that you're willing to give up.It already is the economic superpower. The only thing the U.S. has is military superiority really.
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mutually assured economic destruction
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
I think most of us hit below the belt from time to time, so none of us can try and take the high ground there. It's all good man.Ok, I seriously LOL IRL. Sorry brah...sometimes I hit below the belt I shouldnt.
Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
That's how I feel, too. We're all guilty of derailing a thread with personal jabs, but this seems a bit more worthy of a PM or separate thread.Unhinged. PM him if you want throw a hissy fit about your fake moral superiority. Wtf is wrong with you?
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Originally Posted By ymer⏩
I deleted the post brah. I shouldnt have posted that and I apologize.We all go through life struggles and its no reflection on who we genuinely are.Its one of the few times I wish I could hit the undo button.Lovely response. If you want to discuss the other topic the thread is still open.
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Originally Posted By ZantaKlaus⏩
They're "centrists" bro. Every liberal in this forum claims centrist now. Can't really blame them... I'd be embarrassed to be openly Democrat as well.Passes the "liberals mad as fuk" litmus test with flying colors. Another 10/10 decision by President Trump.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
The U.S. isn't losing superpower status any time soon, you don't need to be paranoid about that.No sh*t. I'm talking top dog superpower. #1 superpower. You know, the thing the US has now that you're willing to give up.
I'm all for the U.S. looking for better or fairer trade deals but seriously, this worldwide economic aggression is not the right way to do it.
This trade war is mainly driven by Trump's ego, campaign promises and business background.
Just do it in a civil way around a table and don't take on the biggest economies in the world at the same time.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
You just don't get it. Well, maybe you do. Maybe you're just fine and dandy getting the sh*t end of the stick.The U.S. isn't losing superpower status any time soon, you don't need to be paranoid about that.
I'm all for the U.S. looking for better or fairer trade deals but seriously, this worldwide economic aggression is not the right way to do it.
This trade war is mainly driven by Trump's ego, campaign promises and business background.
Just do it in a civil way around a table and don't take on the world at the same time.
I'm all for the U.S. looking for better or fairer trade deals but seriously, this worldwide economic aggression is not the right way to do it.
This trade war is mainly driven by Trump's ego, campaign promises and business background.
Just do it in a civil way around a table and don't take on the world at the same time.
Side note: I'll trade you a crispy $20 bill for one your $100's, all good?
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
I get it, but it's not nearly as bad as that. The main problem Trump specifically has is he thinks the U.S. is responsible for world security but other countries aren't paying in as much money or investing in their own defence using U.S. defence as a proxy.You just don't get it. Well, maybe you do. Maybe you're just fine and dandy getting the sh*t end of the stick.
Side note: I'll trade you a crispy $20 bill for one your $100's, all good?
Side note: I'll trade you a crispy $20 bill for one your $100's, all good?
He thinks countries should pay "protection money", pay more into NATO or have "sacrificial lamb" trade deals to pay for it i.e. the U.S. should get the better end of every trade deal.
This is why Comey said he runs the country like he's a mob boss.
In reality though, this line of thinking has been tried before under GWB and it was a rude awakening to find out that economically, the U.S. does not have that clout.
If you go into China with aircraft carriers, you'll have a point, but economically this is just going to hurt Americans.
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Originally Posted By monty097⏩
Wow...I need to bump the threads claiming a $1k tax reduction was MAGA.Roughly $570 per person, so no it actually isn't really.
Come to find out an additional $570 tax on every single american is not that big of a deal. Who knew?
TBH..I wouldnt even notice a $570/mo tax. I didnt even notice when my credit card was compromised and those cheeky kunts were charging $350/mo to keep it under the radar. Didnt catch it until the end of the year.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
Dont buy Chinese products. Problem solved. IYou just don't get it. Well, maybe you do. Maybe you're just fine and dandy getting the sh*t end of the stick.
Side note: I'll trade you a crispy $20 bill for one your $100's, all good?
Side note: I'll trade you a crispy $20 bill for one your $100's, all good?
TT: So called conservatives are mad because americans (including themselves) buy chinese products instead of american products. So what do they want? They want to government to social engineer US consumer buying habits. MAGA
EDIT: hmmm....I seem to remember you were one of the boyos claiming american products were over priced and chitty made. Might be mistaken. Will check into that tomorrow.
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Clinton administration moves to impose punitive tariffs on Japanese, Brazilian steel imports
By Shannon Jones
17 February 1999
In a sign of mounting global economic tensions, the Clinton administration has formally declared Japan and Brazil guilty of dumping under-priced steel on the American market and announced the imposition of prohibitive duties against those countries' steel exports.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/1999/02/stee-f17.htmlBy Shannon Jones
17 February 1999
In a sign of mounting global economic tensions, the Clinton administration has formally declared Japan and Brazil guilty of dumping under-priced steel on the American market and announced the imposition of prohibitive duties against those countries' steel exports.
Clinton Advisers Back Punitive Japan Tariffs : Trade: Import tax could hit luxury cars, minivans and auto parts. U.S. seeks opening of Japanese market.
http://articles.latimes.com/1995-05-...ese-auto-partsPresident Bill Clinton's willingness to start a transatlantic trade war over bananas is proving to be anything but wise. On March 3, the President imposed duties of 100 percent on $520 million worth of popular European products, such as Waterford crystal and Italian pecorino cheese. The duties are supposed to punish the European Union (EU) for disregarding a 1997 World Trade Organization (WTO) ruling that it change its preferential policy favoring banana exports from countries in Africa, the Caribbean, and the Pacific.
Because of the President's action, hundreds of American and European companies that have nothing to do with bananas now face trade sanctions that will price them out of the U.S. market. The duties will affect a wide range of European products, including cashmere sweaters, greeting cards, coffee makers, chocolates, biscuits, pasta, bath oils, candles, handbags, and ham. The government will start collecting the duties on April 12, the day a WTO dispute settlement panel is expected to rule on U.S. charges that the EU's policy change still does not comply with WTO rules. Meanwhile, because U.S. importers of these products will have to post a bond equivalent to the sanctions, they already may have begun to curtail their imports.
The President's protectionist response not only undermines the authority and principles of the WTO, but also is straining relations with many of the countries involved.
https://www.heritage.org/report/the-...european-unionBecause of the President's action, hundreds of American and European companies that have nothing to do with bananas now face trade sanctions that will price them out of the U.S. market. The duties will affect a wide range of European products, including cashmere sweaters, greeting cards, coffee makers, chocolates, biscuits, pasta, bath oils, candles, handbags, and ham. The government will start collecting the duties on April 12, the day a WTO dispute settlement panel is expected to rule on U.S. charges that the EU's policy change still does not comply with WTO rules. Meanwhile, because U.S. importers of these products will have to post a bond equivalent to the sanctions, they already may have begun to curtail their imports.
The President's protectionist response not only undermines the authority and principles of the WTO, but also is straining relations with many of the countries involved.
BILL CLINTON'S INVASION OF HAITI IN 1994
LIES, LIFE AND DEATH
HOW CLINTON'S "FREE TRADE REFORMS" ENRICHED HIS ARKANSAS AGRIBUSINESS FRIENDS
WHILE DESTROYING THE STRUCTURE OF AGRICULTURE IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S POOREST COUNTRIES
AGRICULTURAL DISASTER IN HAITI
CLINTON DESTROYS STRUCTURE OF HAITIAN RICE FARMING
Since his invasion in 1994, Clinton has completely destroyed the structure of Haitian agriculture. In 1995 he forced the nation to drop tariffs on rice imported from America. Haiti dropped its import tariffs on rice from 50% to 3%. Clinton claimed this move would help Haiti jump into the "Industrial Era." Yet even before Clinton took this action, experts were well aware of the consequences:
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/Repor...ntonhaiti.htmlLIES, LIFE AND DEATH
HOW CLINTON'S "FREE TRADE REFORMS" ENRICHED HIS ARKANSAS AGRIBUSINESS FRIENDS
WHILE DESTROYING THE STRUCTURE OF AGRICULTURE IN ONE OF THE WORLD'S POOREST COUNTRIES
AGRICULTURAL DISASTER IN HAITI
CLINTON DESTROYS STRUCTURE OF HAITIAN RICE FARMING
Since his invasion in 1994, Clinton has completely destroyed the structure of Haitian agriculture. In 1995 he forced the nation to drop tariffs on rice imported from America. Haiti dropped its import tariffs on rice from 50% to 3%. Clinton claimed this move would help Haiti jump into the "Industrial Era." Yet even before Clinton took this action, experts were well aware of the consequences:
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Absolutely fantastic post.willingness to start a transatlantic trade war over bananas is proving to be anything but wise.
Im glad that you...me...and the Heritage Foundation are all on the same page.Edit: Bookmarked this post for reference. Thanks to point this out.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
All these things you see as "issues" I see as beneficial to the USA. God forbid the President of America does everything he can to get the best for his country. WHAT A MOB BOSS!I get it, but it's not nearly as bad as that. The main problem Trump specifically has is he thinks the U.S. is responsible for world security but other countries aren't paying in as much money or investing in their own defence using U.S. defence as a proxy.
He thinks countries should pay "protection money", pay more into NATO or have "sacrificial lamb" trade deals to pay for it i.e. the U.S. should get the better end of every trade deal.
This is why Comey said he runs the country like he's a mob boss.
In reality though, this line of thinking has been tried before under GWB and it was a rude awakening to find out that economically, the U.S. does not have that clout.
If you go into China with aircraft carriers, you'll have a point, but economically this is just going to hurt Americans.
He thinks countries should pay "protection money", pay more into NATO or have "sacrificial lamb" trade deals to pay for it i.e. the U.S. should get the better end of every trade deal.
This is why Comey said he runs the country like he's a mob boss.
In reality though, this line of thinking has been tried before under GWB and it was a rude awakening to find out that economically, the U.S. does not have that clout.
If you go into China with aircraft carriers, you'll have a point, but economically this is just going to hurt Americans.
Not getting into specifics but NATO members all agreed to pay a certain percentage and nobody is. How is asking for the amount they agreed to pay "protection money?"
I guess that's the difference between you and I. I'm pro-American. I wouldn't necessarily label you Anti-American, but just drifting in the wind while other nations take advantage of us, while trying to better their country off our backs, is pretty Anti-American. But I guess that's just mainstream liberalism for ya.
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
I have always hated tarrifs for the most part.Absolutely fantastic post.
Im glad that you...me...and the Heritage Foundation are all on the same page.
Im glad that you...me...and the Heritage Foundation are all on the same page.
I found it humorous libs do now also just because Trump supports them.
They are going opposite to their previous ideology just out of hate.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
Like I said....I seem to remember you were one of the boyos claiming american products were over priced and chitty made. Might be mistaken. Will check into that tomorrow. Mebbe I am wrong. Who knows.All these things you see as "issues" I see as beneficial to the USA. God forbid the President of America does everything he can to get the best for his country. WHAT A MOB BOSS!
Not getting into specifics but NATO members all agreed to pay a certain percentage and nobody is. How is asking for the amount they agreed to pay "protection money?"
I guess that's the difference between you and I.I'm pro-American. I wouldn't necessarily label you Anti-American, but just drifting in the wind while other nations take advantage of us, while trying to better their country off our backs, is pretty Anti-American. But I guess that's just mainstream liberalism for ya.
Not getting into specifics but NATO members all agreed to pay a certain percentage and nobody is. How is asking for the amount they agreed to pay "protection money?"
I guess that's the difference between you and I.I'm pro-American. I wouldn't necessarily label you Anti-American, but just drifting in the wind while other nations take advantage of us, while trying to better their country off our backs, is pretty Anti-American. But I guess that's just mainstream liberalism for ya.
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
As for the bold... DEFINITELY NOT ME. I buy American every chance I get.Dont buy Chinese products. Problem solved. I
TT: So called conservatives are mad because americans (including themselves) buy chinese products instead of american products. So what do they want? They want to government to social engineer US consumer buying habits. MAGA
EDIT: hmmm....I seem to remember you were one of the boyos claiming american products were over priced and chitty made. Might be mistaken. Will check into that tomorrow.
TT: So called conservatives are mad because americans (including themselves) buy chinese products instead of american products. So what do they want? They want to government to social engineer US consumer buying habits. MAGA
EDIT: hmmm....I seem to remember you were one of the boyos claiming american products were over priced and chitty made. Might be mistaken. Will check into that tomorrow.
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Originally Posted By XterraRob⏩
Anti-Trump, fine. Anti-US? No. Honestly, we'll just wait and see what happens. I guarantee you that Americans will be out of work due to these policies.The OP's been toting the Anti-Trump/Anti-US line since he started becoming more frequent on R&P misc. /yawn - just another Tamorlane/NYPat.
Let's just hope none of you or your family are in these industries.
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Good.
Hopefully the end result is a total US trade embargo on China.
China lovin America hatin communists in this thread be mad at Trump.
Hopefully the end result is a total US trade embargo on China.
China lovin America hatin communists in this thread be mad at Trump.
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Thanks brah. I figured you and I were on the same page. Along with the Heritage Foundation.I have always hated tarrifs for the most part.
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
Wanna make a six month ban bet? Definitely not me.Like I said....I seem to remember you were one of the boyos claiming american products were over priced and chitty made. Might be mistaken. Will check into that tomorrow. Mebbe I am wrong. Who knows.
Step up and own your claim. BET ME.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
Nah I am frequently wrong. But google is the ultimate arbiter. So we shall see. Its fascinating to see this sudden allegiance to american products and american workers though. For years I was told they were lazy. Products were chitty. etc.Wanna make a six month ban bet? Definitely not me.
So what are your thoughts on the Apple product you are using? Not only is the iOS superior, its pretty nice buying a product and seeing the profits flow to america. I saw some dude using a Samsung phone and I was all I could do to not rage at him for being a traitor.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
We have more jobs and expansion created from the tax cut plan then our labor market can even handle,Anti-Trump, fine. Anti-US? No. Honestly, we'll just wait and see what happens. I guarantee you that Americans will be out of work due to these policies.
Let's just hope none of you or your family are in these industries.
Let's just hope none of you or your family are in these industries.
People wonβt be without jobs if they are willing to work, and their wages will also be higher if they are willing to work.
I disagree with most of the tarrifs, but if you want to do a trade war now is the time - being that if jobs are lost there will be other jobs to accommodate for them immediately just not in the same industry.
And if Iβm wrong and the tarrifs work then those industries will indeed expand either way we win
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Good.
Hopefully the end result is a total US trade embargo on China.
China lovin America hatin communists in this thread be mad at Trump.
Hopefully the end result is a total US trade embargo on China.
China lovin America hatin communists in this thread be mad at Trump.
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Originally Posted By Ephedra⏩
So what are your thoughts on the Apple product you are using? Not only is the iOS superior, its pretty nice buying a product and seeing the profits flow to america. I saw some dude using a Samsung phone and I was all I could do to not rage at him for being a traitor.True that
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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
Couldnt agree more. Its awesome to see wages for blue collar workers rise so quickly.....isnt it?We have more jobs and expansion created from the tax cut plan then our labor market can even handle,
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