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Thread: Judge orders WH to temporarily reinstate Acosta's pass

post 1566386871 11-16-2018, 09:43 AM
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Run that sht back and Give 'em hell Acosta!
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Originally Posted By miscinbro⏩
If you follow the link and look at the Constitution you’ll see that (assuming the summary is accurate) the claim is his first and fifth amendment rights were violated. The fith is about due process, so it would appear the argument isn’t that anyone has a right to be in the WH press pool, but once granted that right the president can’t just revoke it because his/her feelings got hurt.
The judge didn't rule on the merits of the case
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
It wasalreadya precedent.
What?

There are requirements to get a press pass just claiming "i'm the press!111!" isn't qualification alone.
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The part I'm confused on is the claim of due process. I mean, what is the due process of revoking a hard pass from the WH grounds? Do you have to give the guy written warnings first, establish a paper trail, then revoke? Seems so vague.

Moreover, can I claim my 1st amendment rights have been violated because I don't have a hard pass?
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
The part I'm confused on is the claim of due process. I mean, what is the due process of revoking a hard pass from the WH grounds? Do you have to give the guy written warnings first, establish a paper trail, then revoke? Seems so vague.
You have to notify them; let them respond. It is a court proceeding at that point.

Acosta may well lose his press pass depending on the response given. You need a reason though a good one - not "my feelings" to kick someone out once you let them in. Generally "danger to the president/family" is the idea.
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libs continue to set precedent for everyone to get a participation trophy no matter what

no one can lose these days

everyone must be entitled to everything despite poor behavior and blatant disobedience of the president of our nation.
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
The judge didn't rule on the merits of the case
Correct, a TRO was issued, apparently, based on first and fifth amendment grounds.
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
The part I'm confused on is the claim of due process. I mean, what is the due process of revoking a hard pass from the WH grounds? Do you have to give the guy written warnings first, establish a paper trail, then revoke?
YES, and an opportunity to rebut. And the reason for this is that the First Amendment is important, MORE important than Trump's feelings and MORE important than the feelings of Trump supporters who think it's somehow now acceptable to say racist, mean-spirited, and demagogic things. And the First Amendment must be balanced against security concerns.
Seems so vague.
The vague part was when Trump's WH did not give notice to Acosta, and then made up some BS story about Acosta hitting the intern, and then releasing doctored footage like North Korea would do, and then switching their story when they got before the Court by claiming: " laid out an expansive view of a president’s power to control media access, saying in a court hearing that the president has the right to exclude reporters from government property for the content or tenor of their reporting."

So, Trump supporters, the lesson here is, once again, that Trump cannot do whatever he wants.

The Constitution still matters more than your feelings about "pond scum" migrants and "absolute trash" Acosta.
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Originally Posted By chivasregal⏩
The Orangeman doesn’t like hard questions.

Keep it up, Jim. It’s your (our) job to keep our president in check. That should be the case for all presidents. Presidents shouldn’t be able to openly lie without being called out for it. Thanks, Jim Acosta.

Our president is not a facts kind of guy, he’s been more of an emotions kind of guy.

Facts.
Facts.
Facts.
It really is time to go back.
I know you believe that it is your people's and heritages right to take over the USA.....but it is not going to happen.
Please...for your own sanity...go back.
post 1566387651 11-16-2018, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
YES, and an opportunity to rebut. And the reason why is that the First Amendment is important, MORE important than Trump's feelings and MORE important than the feelings of Trump supporters who think it's somehow now acceptable to say racist, mean-spirited, and demagogic things.
This isn't a criminal trial
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
It really is time to go back.
I know you believe that it is your people's and heritages right to take over the USA.....but it is not going to happen.
Please...for your own sanity...go back.
Here's the thing guys.

None of the Trump supporters here understand or care about their own heritage.

The Constitution is our heritage, and when Trump pisses all over it, that should make you mad, not excited.
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
The part I'm confused on is the claim of due process. I mean, what is the due process of revoking a hard pass from the WH grounds? Do you have to give the guy written warnings first, establish a paper trail, then revoke? Seems so vague.

Moreover, can I claim my 1st amendment rights have been violated because I don't have a hard pass?
Agree. I am a little confused as to how a reporter needs due process to be invited to a press conference.

Wow is this country being run over by whiny little rainbow colored snowflakes. Snowflakes that melt/cry disappear.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Here's the thing guys.

None of the Trump supporters here understand or care about their own heritage.

The Constitution is our heritage, and when Trump pisses all over it, that should make you mad, not excited.
how has he pissed on it? Examples please.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
This isn't a criminal trial
Go back and the read the cases. Due process doesn't just apply to criminal trials.
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post 1566387851 11-16-2018, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
You have to notify them; let them respond. It is a court proceeding at that point.

Acosta may well lose his press pass depending on the response given. You need a reason though a good one - not "my feelings" to kick someone out once you let them in. Generally "danger to the president/family" is the idea.
So being a constant disruption and preventing other reporters from exercising their first amendment rights isn't a good enough reason?

Again, I guess a reporter can just yell at the top of his lungs the entire time and disrupt every press conference and the only entity with authority to remove said reporter is the network he/she reports for?
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post 1566387881 11-16-2018, 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
This isn't a criminal trial
Due process isn’t limited to criminal trials.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Here's the thing guys.

None of the Trump supporters here understand or care about their own heritage.

The Constitution is our heritage, and when Trump pisses all over it, that should make you mad, not excited.
Trump is not pissing on the Constitution.

In fact, his support of criminal justice reform and DeVoss embarking on due process for those accused of sexual assault blow your authoritarian argument out of the water completely
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
how has he pissed on it? Examples please.
Banning Acosta for one...
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Honestly, the only way this gets better is if the WH press corps polices Acosta themselves. It's going to take someone with some cajones to tell him that it's not all about him and to STFU.
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post 1566388221 11-16-2018, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Banning Acosta for one...
For having a long history of being disruptive and attention whoring.

More examples, please.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Here's the thing guys.

None of the Trump supporters here understand or care about their own heritage.

The Constitution is our heritage, and when Trump pisses all over it, that should make you mad, not excited.
I am as German as German can be with some Irish mixed in. And you know how I feel?

American. Full blooded American. I don't cry and whine about my heritage and how America isn't German enough. Unlike people from a certain country south of the border who do.

Not all do that mind you....but enough. Enough to where we have stores here in CA that speak and write things in Spanish and not English. And I am talking in Pasadena, OC, Burbank. Not cholo ville USA.
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Originally Posted By Trapstar4.4⏩
Run that sht back and Give 'em hell Acosta!
Cringe.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Here's the thing guys.

None of the Trump supporters here understand or care about their own heritage.

The Constitution is our heritage, and when Trump pisses all over it, that should make you mad, not excited.
Just like libs, especially in California piss all over the 2nd amendment

Acosta is pig ignorant iand violent. no one else had their pass taken away just that POS
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Originally Posted By fleeceitout⏩
Cringe.
This. It's not even cute at this point.
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Best thing that the WH could do is invite Acosta back.

He will slink back like a scolded dog.

And then never, and I mean never give him the mic again. And when he yells at POTUS without the mic...and he will....completely ignore him.

Will totally drive him crazy.
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This one seems to be easy to me...If Acosta interrupts end the press conference. The President isn’t required to have press conferences, right?
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Originally Posted By zinkhan99⏩
it continues that path it either sets precedent that hard pass to access WH grounds is every reporters right, or it will go to Supreme Court.
Or it re-confirms that even the POTUS isn't bigger than the constitution.

People keep banging on about how "everyone" has the right to be there if Acosta is, it was never about Acosta's initial right to be allowed access it was about the removal of said access. Imagine if press were asking Bill Clinton about Monica Lewinsky:

- Mr. President are you lying about what happened?
- Next question.
- But Mr. President, the people have a right to know your version.
- Sit down, I'm not talking to you.
- But Sir...
- I said next, you're an awful person.
*Press pass revoked for making a scene, Misc cheers about how the guy should stfu*
Next press meeting:
- Mr. President can I ask you about Monic...
- Next question!
- Sir please...
*Press pass revoked*
etc.

The above is a long winded way of saying that when someone is granted a press pass the judge believes that it can't just be revoked at Trumps whim without any due process, reasoning as to why and with harm caused to the press, because to do so is suppressing freedom of the press as you could go down the road of just revoking every pass from people you dislike until you get someone who won't challenge you (clearly this isn't what Trump would do, but the checks are in place to stop that slippery slope from even starting).
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
Honestly, the only way this gets better is if the WH press corps polices Acosta themselves. It's going to take someone with some cajones to tell him that it's not all about him and to STFU.
Just halt the press conference when he speaks without being called on, they will figure it out.
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Originally Posted By Reflexez⏩
Or it re-confirms that even the POTUS isn't bigger than the constitution.

People keep banging on about how "everyone" has the right to be there if Acosta is, it was never about Acosta's initial right to be allowed access it was about the removal of said access. Imagine if press were asking Bill Clinton about Monica Lewinsky:

- Mr. President are you lying about what happened?
- Next question.
- But Mr. President, the people have a right to know your version.
- Sit down, I'm not talking to you.
- But Sir...
- I said next, you're an awful person.
*Press pass revoked for making a scene, Misc cheers about how the guy should stfu*
Next press meeting:
- Mr. President can I ask you about Monic...
- Next question!
- Sir please...
*Press pass revoked*
etc.

The above is a long winded way of saying that when someone is granted a press pass the judge believes that it can't just be revoked at Trumps whim without any due process, reasoning as to why and with harm caused to the press, because to do so is suppressing freedom of the press as you could go down the road of just revoking every pass from people you dislike until you get someone who won't challenge you (clearly this isn't what Trump would do, but the checks are in place to stop that slippery slope from even starting).
Ok....but you are talking one incident that was of great national interest and that EVERY press person was asking in reference to Clinton.

Whereas Acosta has been a bore and a pest, purposely trying to make these press conferences about himself....for 2 years now.

Big difference.
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