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01-29-2026, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
The time to join the EU was 10+ years ago. Germany's economy is in the beginning stages of full collapse. They're not going to be able to pay former soviet states to stay on team globohomo much longer.
This, you don't know anything about Ukraine-Russia if you think Ukrainians are treated as 2nd class citizens... They are literally viewed as equals, it's been this way forever. I mean, if it wasn't for the Bolsheviks/USSR, "Ukrainians" would literally be calling themselves Russians... Russians/Belarusians/Ukrainians have always been together as one group. Its retarded propaganda that is encouraged by outsiders to cause division to make it seem like they aren't one people. The banderites are used as a tool to cause said division.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
To get a sense of how bad it is, last week Mertz was saying germany needs to open a dialogue with Russia. This week he's saying ukraine can never join the EU
01-29-2026, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted By Stizzell⏩
brootal cuckening...
The time to join the EU was 10+ years ago. Germany's economy is in the beginning stages of full collapse. They're not going to be able to pay former soviet states to stay on team globohomo much longer.
To get a sense of how bad it is, last week Mertz was saying germany needs to open a dialogue with Russia. This week he's saying ukraine can never join the EU
To get a sense of how bad it is, last week Mertz was saying germany needs to open a dialogue with Russia. This week he's saying ukraine can never join the EU
Kiev made a hardline on not signing any peace deal unless they have guarantees to join NATO after the conflict, because after all, they are fighting for European "democratic values", as Zelensky likes to put it
Both Washington DC and Brussels told them straight up, you will NEVER join NATO
Kiev now wants a guarantee they'll at least get to join the European Union because they are fighting for European "democratic values"
And Brussels tells them, NO
Congrats Kiev, you played yourself...
And that's the thing, Russians don't view Ukrainians as 2nd tier citizens; it's the opposite. It's the Western EUcel that views the Ukrainian, a Slav, as 2nd tier. They are just a tool to use in the hopes of destabilizing Russia, getting Putin replaced with another Yeltsin type puppet leader for the benefit of Washington D.C. and Brussels... It does not benefit the Russian citizen.
If you noticed, all the pro-Ukraine posters in these mega Ukraine-Russia misc threads, and really everywhere else on the internet for the past 4 years don't actually support Ukraine because they care about Ukrainians. They never talk about how many Ukrainians are dying, they don't talk about being hopeful for a peace deal to end the conflict... Instead, they go on and on about Russian losses, because they don't care about Ukrainians, they just hate Russians... Thats all it is, its a hate for Russians (for whatever weird reason they have) and Ukraine is just used as a tool to inflict their hate onto Russians. They enjoy seeing the death of Russian soldiers while ignoring the hundreds of thousands, and at this point, probably closer to a million dead Ukrainian soldiers. Not counting the forever disfigured. Because it doesn't matter to them, as long as Russians continue to die...
Ukrainians are Slavs, the same as Russians. And for Western EU/Washington DC, that's all Ukraine will ever be, another Slavic nation, not one of them.
And now Ukraine will be disregarded because it was unable to inflict enough damage to defeat Russia/Putin. No NATO, no European Union.
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01-30-2026, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
No, you're right, I probably don't know much about the Russian-Ukrainian relationship but I know they are basically the same people. No doubt, things are better in Russia than they were 20+ years ago. I admire Russia for not signing into the globalist BS. One reason I like Trump is that he's trying to get us to disconnect to that. The fact is, the Russians like Putin a lot more than people realize. They probably don't like things about him, or the government's policies, but they want a strong leader.
This, you don't know anything about Ukraine-Russia if you think Ukrainians are treated as 2nd class citizens... They are literally viewed as equals, it's been this way forever. I mean, if it wasn't for the Bolsheviks/USSR, "Ukrainians" would literally be calling themselves Russians... Russians/Belarusians/Ukrainians have always been together as one group. Its retarded propaganda that is encouraged by outsiders to cause division to make it seem like they aren't one people. The banderites are used as a tool to cause said division.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
01-30-2026, 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted By Jaydubs⏩
You and I will never really understand the slav mind. We just have to accept certain things about their culture
No, you're right, I probably don't know much about the Russian-Ukrainian relationship but I know they are basically the same people. No doubt, things are better in Russia than they were 20+ years ago. I admire Russia for not signing into the globalist BS. One reason I like Trump is that he's trying to get us to disconnect to that. The fact is, the Russians like Putin a lot more than people realize. They probably don't like things about him, or the government's policies, but they want a strong leader.
01-31-2026, 04:49 PM
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Epstein email, from 2014, you know the same year when the Maidan "revolution" happened... That was backed by Washington DC and created the civil war in Donbass that eventually led to the 2022 conflict
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01-31-2026, 05:20 PM
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Epstein visiting his Jewish friend Zelensky right after he won the elections, the newly elected President of Ukraine
Its not a secret that sex traffiking is rampant in Ukraine, Epstein for sure was getting a lot of those underage girls from Ukraine I'd bet
Its not a secret that sex traffiking is rampant in Ukraine, Epstein for sure was getting a lot of those underage girls from Ukraine I'd bet
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02-10-2026, 11:06 AM
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I get that most of our nazi retards are gone - we will assume they decided to finally man up and go to kiev to be conscripted - but I wonder if any that remain have any thoughts on Trump threatening Canada just for thinking about making trade deals with China? What would they think of China installing missiles along our border? And other military resources? Would Trump spend 30 years politely pointing out that's a red line and asking them to stop?
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02-10-2026, 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted By Stizzel⏩
4 years, still in the Donbass. Most powerful military on earth.......🤣🤣🤣
I get that most of our nazi retards are gone - we will assume they decided to finally man up and go to kiev to be conscripted - but I wonder if any that remain have any thoughts on Trump threatening Canada just for thinking about making trade deals with China? What would they think of China installing missiles along our border? And other military resources? Would Trump spend 30 years politely pointing out that's a red line and asking them to stop?
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
Never implicated in any Epstein activity either
This, you don't know anything about Ukraine-Russia if you think Ukrainians are treated as 2nd class citizens... They are literally viewed as equals, it's been this way forever. I mean, if it wasn't for the Bolsheviks/USSR, "Ukrainians" would literally be calling themselves Russians... Russians/Belarusians/Ukrainians have always been together as one group. Its retarded propaganda that is encouraged by outsiders to cause division to make it seem like they aren't one people. The banderites are used as a tool to cause said division.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
As far as "corrupt Russian economic models" go... Ukraine is literally 100x more corrupt than modern Russia, u w0t m8?. Russia in the 1990s was an extremely corrupt shithole, but that is no longer the case. Ukraine stayed in the state Russia was in the 90s... Russia advanced under Putin, while Ukraine didn't because of its elected officials. This is why Putin is so popular in Russia, they remember the 90s under a Western supported Yeltsin Presidency... People in the West have a blind view of modern Russia because of so much propaganda they've been fed over the decades. I'm not saying Russia is perfect, but which country isn't corrupt? I mean, look what is happening in the States right now. How many billions has Minnesota been exposed for? We're going to pretend that the elected officials in those states aren't a part of that corruption?
In every single metric, life under Putin has drastically improved for the Russian citizen. Hence his popularity. Even this image isn't 100% accurate, as these numbers are higher
This doesn't mean I'm saying Russia doesn't have its problems... But to think Ukraine would be worse off by being an ally/neutral to Russia is wrong. From the day Ukraine got its "independence" in 1993, they have be in a downward spiral ever since. And it is by their own doing that Ukraine is the way it is.
This portrait of people trying to paint Ukrainians as the helpless victims to explain why Ukraine has been a corrupt, poverty stricken country for the past 30 years of its independence is retarded and people who do that clearly bought into the propaganda.
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02-11-2026, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted By LargePeter⏩
Actually the epstein docs clarify a lot of what is going on for us. Putin essentially the only world leader to oppose the satanic globohomo agenda, if we were to ally with the russians it would be the end for the pdf files. Combine that with their use of ukraine as a source of money laundering and child trafficking and the european desire to destroy themselves in a fight they can't win starts to make more sense.
Never implicated in any Epstein activity either
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02-12-2026, 02:33 PM
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We are now building F35's with no radar
I wish the retard crew (RIP) was still active to explain why this is a big win against the Russians
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I wish the retard crew (RIP) was still active to explain why this is a big win against the Russians
:)
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02-15-2026, 02:21 PM
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2 more weels bro
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03-11-2026, 08:34 PM
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MotorcycleBrah and the rest of the slava ukrainie crew on suicide watch
fking lmao @ German cucks
Also, I know I haven't been updating this thread much, but sadly, Ukrainians are still dying in mass for the Jew Zelensky... And it's only worse now that the world is distracted by Iran
Russia is now less than 20 miles from the stronghold of slavyansk in Donbass.
100% liberation of Donbass will be soon, boyos.
fking lmao @ German cucks
Also, I know I haven't been updating this thread much, but sadly, Ukrainians are still dying in mass for the Jew Zelensky... And it's only worse now that the world is distracted by Iran
Russia is now less than 20 miles from the stronghold of slavyansk in Donbass.
100% liberation of Donbass will be soon, boyos.
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03-23-2026, 07:54 AM
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27 days in and we hold 0% of iranian territory. What % of ukraine did russia hold after 3 weeks despite 10 years of nato fortification? Anyone know?
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05-05-2026, 09:57 PM
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While the retard crew has retreated back to playing world of warcraft in their government subsidized housing, the actual people of ukraine still have to live with the horror these degenerate scumbags decided to subject them to
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05-07-2026, 01:37 PM
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Ukrops continue to launch drones at Russia from inside NATO countries to bypass Russian AD better... Most of Ukraines drones are supplied by NATO factories, obviously located outside of Ukraine.
The retards hit a civilian train in Latvia
"NATO is not involved in this conflict" btw
The retards hit a civilian train in Latvia
"NATO is not involved in this conflict" btw
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05-20-2026, 09:06 PM
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Just wanted to check again if the misc vatniks still cope in the 5th year of the 3-day smo and I'm leaving satisfied.
Next year military parade just with a couple of crippled veterans:D
Next year military parade just with a couple of crippled veterans:D
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Originally Posted By MotorcycleBre⏩
I knew you’d post if I updated this thread (that’s why I bumped the thread), I knew you check and lurk this thread daily lol… my retarded German friend.. what happened to MotorcycleBrah username? Forget the password
Just wanted to check again if the misc vatniks still cope in the 5th year of the 3-day smo and I'm leaving satisfied.
Next year military parade just with a couple of crippled veterans:D
Next year military parade just with a couple of crippled veterans:D
Can you get the other members of slava urinie crew to join the forum? Its more fun when this thread is full of you retards
Might have to be more active ITT just to keep you triggered lmao
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05-21-2026, 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
Who called Iran a forever war?
Imagine calling the US/Iranian conflict a forever war when right down the street, well over 1 million russians are dead/injured or missing and the same for over 600K Ukrainians.
Now thats a fucken war war.
Now thats a fucken war war.
Also, huge if those numbers are real (they arent)…
Ukraine has fewer deaths? But they are the ones doing forced conscription, and they are literally talking about how they need more men at the front, while also having conscription officers patrol the streets, kidnapping men to send to the front. Imagine still believing in Ukrainian propaganda after all these years...
The math just isn't mathing once you stop believing in fake news
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/29/ukraine-receives-bodies-of-1000-soldiers-from-russi
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hands-ukraine-1000-war-dead-rbc-says-2026-04-09/
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
Didnt putin already cut europe off“It’s the bill of rights, not the bill of requests. Rights are not up for negotiations.” Thomas Massie, MAGA enemy #1
05-21-2026, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
Russia has almost 5X the population of Ukraine so it would make sense UK need more men.
Who called Iran a forever war?
Also, huge if those numbers are real (they arent)…
Ukraine has fewer deaths? But they are the ones doing forced conscription, and they are literally talking about how they need more men at the front, while also having conscription officers patrol the streets, kidnapping men to send to the front. Imagine still believing in Ukrainian propaganda after all these years...
The math just isn't mathing once you stop believing in fake news
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/29/ukraine-receives-bodies-of-1000-soldiers-from-russi
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hands-ukraine-1000-war-dead-rbc-says-2026-04-09/
Also, huge if those numbers are real (they arent)…
Ukraine has fewer deaths? But they are the ones doing forced conscription, and they are literally talking about how they need more men at the front, while also having conscription officers patrol the streets, kidnapping men to send to the front. Imagine still believing in Ukrainian propaganda after all these years...
The math just isn't mathing once you stop believing in fake news
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2026/1/29/ukraine-receives-bodies-of-1000-soldiers-from-russi
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-hands-ukraine-1000-war-dead-rbc-says-2026-04-09/
Est. for Russian deaths are about 220K - 350K.
UK- 100-200K
I believe we sadly lost 13 soldiers and some planes in 3 months, which is safer than a weekend in Chicago.
05-21-2026, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
Ukraine needs more men because they are losing more soldiers at a faster rate and can't plug the holes. Russia invaded Ukraine with 200k men lol, vs Ukraines almost 600k confirmed active military(at the time). Russian troops were outnumbered in the early days. This is all confirmed by Western Intel. Hence, one of the reasons they had so many setbacks early on.... was just very poor planning by Russia. It was only till about 2 years into the war that Russia finally got its shit together, right around the time of Ukraines failed massive counter offensive, then the numbers changed. It is now Russia troops that outnumber Ukraine, and keep in mind, Russia still hasn't done a full scale conscription. They are still treating it as a SMO, not a full scale war according to their laws. Russian troops at the front are mostly volunteers still.
Russia has almost 5X the population of Ukraine so it would make sense UK need more men.
Est. for Russian deaths are about 220K - 350K.
UK- 100-200K
I believe we sadly lost 13 soldiers and some planes in 3 months, which is safer than a weekend in Chicago.
Est. for Russian deaths are about 220K - 350K.
UK- 100-200K
I believe we sadly lost 13 soldiers and some planes in 3 months, which is safer than a weekend in Chicago.
Ukraine gets outnumbered by artillery, drones, FPV drones, missile strikes, and FAB bombs, by a very large number. This is something Ukrainian officials confirm and have talked about for the past 4 years.. When KIA body exchanges happen, Ukrainians always provide MUCH MUCH fewer bodies to give back to Russia... And yet somehow, Russia has worse numbers when it comes to dead soldiers... How? The math just doesn't math... But keep believing whatever the media you listen to that feeds you this false information. Russia has heavy losses, but theres no possible way Ukraines losses are fewer, that's what I'm saying. Ukraine clearly is in deeper shit when it comes to KIA.
As far as trying to compare Iran war vs whats going on in Ukraine... Thats just retarded. The U.S. hasn't done a ground invasion, and you best believe if that happens, those 13 dead U.S. soldiers will turn into thousands.. And you want to know why? Because of FPV drones... This has changed modern warfare forever. This is what is so brutal in the current Ukraine conflict and what makes it so difficult for both sides. The U.S. military is lucky that during the Afghanistan and Iraq war, FPV drone warfare wasn't a thing yet.
Just look at what Israel is currently dealing with in Lebanon against a MUCH weaker enemy like Hezbollah... Israel, with all its modern up to date U.S. supplied weapons, is having a difficult time with poverty Hezbollah, and its all because of drones. They can be 3D printed, made with basic non-military components, and strapped with explosives.
They are losing Iron Dome launchers, their military tanks/heavy equipment are getting picked off by drones... The U.S. military hasn't faced a war that involves this, and if it ever does, it will face the same difficulties in an Iranian ground invasion. Which is one of the reasons a ground invasion wont happen, it will be too costly for the U.S. public to accept.
And for the 13 planes, you need to get updated numbers. Lost a lot more than 13 planes, also lost very important THAAD system radars (only like 15 of these in total)... And look at all the U.S. bases that got damaged or basically destroyed, billions in damage for 30 days of conflict. A lot more damage than you are trying to downplay
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12692
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05-21-2026, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted By BasedBagel⏩
Thats actually a good point regarding the drones. Theyre a game changer for sure.
Ukraine needs more men because they are losing more soldiers at a faster rate and can't plug the holes. Russia invaded Ukraine with 200k men lol, vs Ukraines almost 600k confirmed active military(at the time). Russian troops were outnumbered in the early days. This is all confirmed by Western Intel. Hence, one of the reasons they had so many setbacks early on.... was just very poor planning by Russia. It was only till about 2 years into the war that Russia finally got its shit together, right around the time of Ukraines failed massive counter offensive, then the numbers changed. It is now Russia troops that outnumber Ukraine, and keep in mind, Russia still hasn't done a full scale conscription. They are still treating it as a SMO, not a full scale war according to their laws. Russian troops at the front are mostly volunteers still.
Ukraine gets outnumbered by artillery, drones, FPV drones, missile strikes, and FAB bombs, by a very large number. This is something Ukrainian officials confirm and have talked about for the past 4 years.. When KIA body exchanges happen, Ukrainians always provide MUCH MUCH fewer bodies to give back to Russia... And yet somehow, Russia has worse numbers when it comes to dead soldiers... How? The math just doesn't math... But keep believing whatever the media you listen to that feeds you this false information. Russia has heavy losses, but theres no possible way Ukraines losses are fewer, that's what I'm saying. Ukraine clearly is in deeper shit when it comes to KIA.
As far as trying to compare Iran war vs whats going on in Ukraine... Thats just retarded. The U.S. hasn't done a ground invasion, and you best believe if that happens, those 13 dead U.S. soldiers will turn into thousands.. And you want to know why? Because of FPV drones... This has changed modern warfare forever. This is what is so brutal in the current Ukraine conflict and what makes it so difficult for both sides. The U.S. military is lucky that during the Afghanistan and Iraq war, FPV drone warfare wasn't a thing yet.
Just look at what Israel is currently dealing with in Lebanon against a MUCH weaker enemy like Hezbollah... Israel, with all its modern up to date U.S. supplied weapons, is having a difficult time with poverty Hezbollah, and its all because of drones. They can be 3D printed, made with basic non-military components, and strapped with explosives.
They are losing Iron Dome launchers, their military tanks/heavy equipment are getting picked off by drones... The U.S. military hasn't faced a war that involves this, and if it ever does, it will face the same difficulties in an Iranian ground invasion. Which is one of the reasons a ground invasion wont happen, it will be too costly for the U.S. public to accept.
And for the 13 planes, you need to get updated numbers. Lost a lot more than 13 planes, also lost very important THAAD system radars (only like 15 of these in total)... And look at all the U.S. bases that got damaged or basically destroyed, billions in damage for 30 days of conflict. A lot more damage than you are trying to downplay
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12692
Ukraine gets outnumbered by artillery, drones, FPV drones, missile strikes, and FAB bombs, by a very large number. This is something Ukrainian officials confirm and have talked about for the past 4 years.. When KIA body exchanges happen, Ukrainians always provide MUCH MUCH fewer bodies to give back to Russia... And yet somehow, Russia has worse numbers when it comes to dead soldiers... How? The math just doesn't math... But keep believing whatever the media you listen to that feeds you this false information. Russia has heavy losses, but theres no possible way Ukraines losses are fewer, that's what I'm saying. Ukraine clearly is in deeper shit when it comes to KIA.
As far as trying to compare Iran war vs whats going on in Ukraine... Thats just retarded. The U.S. hasn't done a ground invasion, and you best believe if that happens, those 13 dead U.S. soldiers will turn into thousands.. And you want to know why? Because of FPV drones... This has changed modern warfare forever. This is what is so brutal in the current Ukraine conflict and what makes it so difficult for both sides. The U.S. military is lucky that during the Afghanistan and Iraq war, FPV drone warfare wasn't a thing yet.
Just look at what Israel is currently dealing with in Lebanon against a MUCH weaker enemy like Hezbollah... Israel, with all its modern up to date U.S. supplied weapons, is having a difficult time with poverty Hezbollah, and its all because of drones. They can be 3D printed, made with basic non-military components, and strapped with explosives.
They are losing Iron Dome launchers, their military tanks/heavy equipment are getting picked off by drones... The U.S. military hasn't faced a war that involves this, and if it ever does, it will face the same difficulties in an Iranian ground invasion. Which is one of the reasons a ground invasion wont happen, it will be too costly for the U.S. public to accept.
And for the 13 planes, you need to get updated numbers. Lost a lot more than 13 planes, also lost very important THAAD system radars (only like 15 of these in total)... And look at all the U.S. bases that got damaged or basically destroyed, billions in damage for 30 days of conflict. A lot more damage than you are trying to downplay
https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IN12692
Also, it was 13 soldiers, not planes.
What rough numbers do you believe when it comes to casualties/wounded on both sides?
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Originally Posted By RIKTERS⏩
My bad about the 13 planes, my dyslexia kicked in... Read it the wrong way
Thats actually a good point regarding the drones. Theyre a game changer for sure.
Also, it was 13 soldiers, not planes.
What rough numbers do you believe when it comes to casualties/wounded on both sides?
Also, it was 13 soldiers, not planes.
What rough numbers do you believe when it comes to casualties/wounded on both sides?
Using Meduza an anti-Kremlin research institution based out of Lativa who has been keeping track of Russian KIAs, they estimate Russian KIA at 350k, and they use different methods to get actual confirmation of killed soldiers. That sounds about right to me tbh.
Ukraines initial 600k active troops have basically been wiped out at this point, hence why they no longer have eager men in Ukraine who are heading to the enlistment office as they did in Feb 2022.
So Id guess Kievs KIA is at least 3x-4x more than what Russia has. Russia has 10x the artillery, drones, FPV drones, FAB bombs, missile strikes, its all in favor of Russia. Whatever KIA numbers Russia has, Kiev is much worse just based on that. Russia has switched over to attritional warfare, a slow grind. No more big major counter offensives. Its too difficult in the age of drones.
And based on how desperate Kiev talks about the lack of men at the front, the vast amount of videos we get coming out of Ukraine showing officers hunting men down in the streets. Their numbers have to be much higher.
Our leaders love to say that Russia is losing much more, 50k a month is what I've seen claimed, but they need to make it seem like Russia is in a desperate situation, so they will throw out numbers like that. Because it helps the perception that giving billions to Ukraine is working to defeat Russia (its not)
Neither side is having a good time at the end of the day. But Russia has every advantage, including time.
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