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Thread: Can someone explain how this isn't an invading hoard

post 1564135561 10-19-2018, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
Exactly. It's the same chit when the Mexicans that are already in the US protest and wave the Mexican flag. Go the fukk back if it's so great or wave the American flag.

I'm a legal immigrant. I paid the dues and am a naturalized citizen. My mom and dad are/did as well. Always have worked, always paid taxes and I have a good job now. Younger siblings were born here, one of them graduated from college with a scholarship, next in line is a junior in high school.

We don't have criminal records and we all learned English. Sorry for the rant, but this is why I get so mad over this stuff.
Reps for being a tax paying citizen.
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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post 1564135641 10-19-2018, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
i grew up in southern california and now live in the bay area. ive been surrounded by immigrants, legal and otherwise, in my neighborhoods, my entire life.

lol at your mindset of needing to "deal" with them. it's obvious that it's YOU who doesn't want them in YOUR neighborhood, and you project that onto me.
Interesting. So you're a lawyer pulling north of $100k yet you live in an area where illeagals can also somehow afford to live. Right.
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Interesting. So you're a lawyer pulling north of $100k yet you live in an area where illeagals can also somehow afford to live. Right.
he's also a lawyer that doesn't care that people break the law because they "have their reasons for doing it"
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
he's also a lawyer that doesn't care that people break the law because they "have their reasons for doing it"
In my experience it’s pretty common for lawyers to not care too much about actual crimes...
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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Originally Posted By Kawhilights⏩
Exactly. It's the same chit when the Mexicans that are already in the US protest and wave the Mexican flag. Go the fukk back if it's so great or wave the American flag.

I'm a legal immigrant. I paid the dues and am a naturalized citizen. My mom and dad are/did as well. Always have worked, always paid taxes and I have a good job now. Younger siblings were born here, one of them graduated from college with a scholarship, next in line is a junior in high school.

We don't have criminal records and we all learned English.Sorry for the rant,but this is why I get so mad over this stuff.
LOL@calling this a rant...are you from Canada??
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
he's also a lawyer that doesn't care that people break the law because they "have their reasons for doing it"
strong generalization. it's not that i dont care, it's that i understand why they'd do it. what i said was i understand why someone would break a law if it meant protecting their family, or surviving. i would. you should too. if its a choice between breaking a law and dying, im breaking the law.

if you're starving, would you perhaps steal a loaf of bread? i would. just because im a lawyer doesn't mean im a robot.
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
In my experience it’s pretty common for lawyers to not care too much about actual crimes...
im not a criminal attorney...i dont prosecute criminals or defend them.
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Originally Posted By JoeDelts⏩
Interesting. So you're a lawyer pulling north of $100k yet you live in an area where illeagals can also somehow afford to live. Right.
i dont keep tabs on where they live or how they can afford it. i know families in the bay area who commute from far away into sf to work their asses off doing various low-wage jobs. whether they live there, or out of town, or how they manage to afford where they live is none of my business.
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
strong generalization. it's not that i dont care, it's that i understand why they'd do it. what i said was i understand why someone would break a law if it meant protecting their family, or surviving. i would. you should too. if its a choice between breaking a law and dying, im breaking the law.

if you're starving, would you perhaps steal a loaf of bread? i would. just because im a lawyer doesn't mean im a robot.
even I understand it, and I finished law school too. but that doesn't mean I'd let it happen just because it seems right.

law and order =/= justice/fairness

the sooner you understand this, the better
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
even I understand it, and I finished law school too. but that doesn't mean I'd let it happen just because it seems right.

law and order =/= justice/fairness

the sooner you understand this, the better
even you understand what? i think youre supporting my argument here. im claiming that law and order =/= justice fairness =/= what people rationally and logically do in certain circumstances.

im not talking about letting anything happen. if you're a baker and someone steals your loaf of bread, you as the baker can defend it. if you're a starving person (or have a starving family), you might be justified in trying to steal the loaf of bread.

what am i not understanding?
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
if you had to leave a country due to war/violence would you just sit there and let your family die like a cuck?
They have ample opportunity to apply for asylum in Mexico, where there are legally required to do so if they are actually seeking asylum and not just economic opportunity in the U.S.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Desparate people tearing down fences, jumping off bridges, invading nations

How is that funny to you?
Somehow I don’t think they’re as desperate as they’d like people to think.
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Originally Posted By Dorich⏩
Lol, of course it was a joke. You know I like your posts, as you are not a cultist.

US_Rangeris just mad because he can't refute me on anything, especially when it comes to the US being a slave to Saudi Arabia and Israel.

My posts in this thread:https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...post1562218351rustled him as fuk, so he sent me a PM with all kinds of insults.

I still love him though.

He's a complete joke, but I love him.
You're completely ****ing retarded.

I didn't even post in that thread. You're actually this ****ing stupid? Jesus christ....

On the ignore list you go. You're so ****ed up with your stupid religion that you have to bring it up in a thread that has nothing to do with anything in response to me from a thread where I didn't even post.

Mental illness ladies and gentleman.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
You're completely ****ing retarded.

I didn't even post in that thread. You're actually this ****ing stupid? Jesus christ....

On the ignore list you go.
Right. You didn't private message me because of that thread, saying I'm a lunatic and tons of other chit.

lol
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
even you understand what? i think youre supporting my argument here. im claiming that law and order =/= justice fairness =/= what people rationally and logically do in certain circumstances.

im not talking about letting anything happen. if you're a baker and someone steals your loaf of bread, you as the baker can defend it. if you're a starving person (or have a starving family), you might be justified in trying to steal the loaf of bread.

what am i not understanding?
I'm not supporting your argument, you fukkin red. what you're doing is trying to paint a romantic picture of these people who, for all we know (if they don't have ID or other papers with them) could literally be the scum of the earth. stop and smell the manure, red.
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Originally Posted By 401Delta⏩
They have ample opportunity to apply for asylum in Mexico, where there are legally required to do so if they are actually seeking asylum and not just economic opportunity in the U.S.
understood. what if asylum is rejected? or what if mexico doesnt actually provide protection?

dunno, just sayin
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
I'm not supporting your argument, you fukkin red. what you're doing is trying to paint a romantic picture of these people who, for all we know (if they don't have ID or other papers with them) could literally be the scum of the earth. stop and smell the manure, red.
my god, my little squares are red? fuk me dead i guess ill just...keep living my life then.

and you're trying to paint a picture of them as scum of the earth. who's trying to paint a picture here broseph?

they could be the scum of the earth. they could be decent people.

congrats on finishing law school. are you gonna practice in the US? or in croatia?
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
my god, my little squares are red? fuk me dead i guess ill just...keep living my life then.

and you're trying to paint a picture of them as scum of the earth. who's trying to paint a picture here broseph?

they could be the scum of the earth. they could be decent people.

congrats on finishing law school. are you gonna practice in the US? or in croatia?
from the perspective of the state and the state security, it's better to take a cautious step and not let 'em in on the first sight of tears in their eyes.

croatia. unless I take up my mentor's offer for international trade arbitrations.
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
im not a criminal attorney...i dont prosecute criminals or defend them.
Wtf does that have to do with passively approving of criminal activity..?
Best thread: http://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showthread.php?t=168274783
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
I'm not supporting your argument, you fukkin red. what you're doing is trying to paint a romantic picture of these people who, for all we know (if they don't have ID or other papers with them) could literally be the scum of the earth. stop and smell the manure, red.
This is a pretty irrational fear though. At a minimum it's below the threshold for things we consider worth worrying about when they aren't politicized. Our system is fukked and arguments like this keep it fukked.
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
understood. what if asylum is rejected? or what if mexico doesnt actually provide protection?

dunno, just sayin
They didn't even attempt to seek asylum in Mexico because their goal is economic opportunity, not relief from imminent danger. If they wish to come to the United States, they can apply to come here legally. Any argument to the contrary is either dumb or disingenuous.
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Originally Posted By US_Ranger⏩
On the ignore list you go. You're so ****ed up with your stupid religion that you have to bring it up in a thread that has nothing to do with anything in response to me from a thread where I didn't even post.

Mental illness ladies and gentleman.
I just remembered you're the guy who claimed we have all the knowledge of medicine today because of German and Japanese atrocities, in this thread:

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=175293721

Strong retardation.

Lol @ you, srs.
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Originally Posted By tyqb4⏩
This is a pretty irrational fear though. At a minimum it's below the threshold for things we consider worth worrying about when they aren't politicized. Our system is fukked and arguments like this keep it fukked.
uncontrolled and unvetted migrations are a major problem in europe right now, which is what led to a rise of right-wing populist parties in some EU states, so this is just a glance at a future problem that might happen to the US and Canada. keep in mind that venezuela is in deep chit now and that some of its citizens fled to colombia and other neighbors. no telling if they want to head up north one day and there is no strategy.
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Originally Posted By aranadiscoteca⏩
Strong t-shirt on the guy on the right
Lol, this is all Soros funded. Look at the cool shoes..apparently someone is funding this invasion as well.
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Originally Posted By sandaltan⏩
i dont keep tabs on where they live or how they can afford it. i know families in the bay area who commute from far away into sf to work their asses off doing various low-wage jobs. whether they live there, or out of town, or how they manage to afford where they live is none of my business.
So they don't live on your street/in your community. Out of sight our if mind. Exactly my point and exactly what makes you a hypocrite for pushing this on someone else's community because you do realize they will end up living next door to somebody right? And you're right I don't want my neighborhood over run with illeagals. I've busted my balls to be where I am and would rather my property value not take a nosedive just like you, just like everybody. For that reason I don't push/expect others to do what I wouldn't.
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Originally Posted By ImpressiveGainz⏩
Wtf does that have to do with passively approving of criminal activity..?
what? i was trying to respond to your comment about being an attorney. i have no idea what that has to do with the subject. it's hard to have a discussion with you.

im not "approving" criminal activity, im saying im not a fukking bleep bloop robot and i can understand why people break laws sometimes. rote obedience of laws =/= morality or justification. ive given a million examples of this already.
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We need to establish an actual border. Set up lookouts and patrols of armed troops and give some warning shots with live ammo, and if they dont turn back then that's on them. We are a sovereign nation and not an open border welfare state to the rest of the world. Are we going to preserve the American way or just now to any third world turd that wants to waltz in and take our jobs and money and government benefits.

Yes this is a hard line approach and I do stand by it. Enough playing nice guy, this has conquered empires in the worlds history so why let it take us slowly.
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Originally Posted By Highwind7⏩
uncontrolled and unvetted migrations are a major problem in europe right now, which is what led to a rise of right-wing populist parties in some EU states, so this is just a glance at a future problem that might happen to the US and Canada. keep in mind that venezuela is in deep chit now and that some of its citizens fled to colombia and other neighbors. no telling if they want to head up north one day and there is no strategy.
There will never be a strategy as long as being here isn't worse than what they are leaving/the trip here. No different than Europe and Syrians/people fleeing wars. Europe takes some ****, but their only alternative was to mow them down on sight. They set up a distribution plan, some countries went overboard with it, but it was generally a good idea. There is NOTHING you can do if millions of people decide they want to be where you are and don't give a fuk how risky it is to get there or how long it takes to get there. That is especially true when half the country wants them/will help them. It's only a hoard when they show up at the same schools and hospitals and there are very basic ways to prevent that which we choose not to do because it would be a political concession.

Don't invite them, don't encourage them, don't proclaim to want them, but when they get there have a plan on where to send them and how to use them. The window where prevention was a realistic opportunity passed a long time ago.
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Originally Posted By tyqb4⏩
There will never be a strategy as long as being here isn't worse than what they are leaving/the trip here. No different than Europe and Syrians/people fleeing wars. Europe takes some ****, but their only alternative was to mow them down on sight. They set up a distribution plan, some countries went overboard with it, but it was generally a good idea. There is NOTHING you can do if millions of people decide they want to be where you are and don't give a fuk how risky it is to get there or how long it takes to get there. That is especially true when half the country wants them/will help them. It's only a hoard when they show up at the same schools and hospitals and there are very basic ways to prevent that which we choose not to do because it would be a political concession.

Don't invite them, don't encourage them, don't proclaim to want them, but when they get there have a plan on where to send them and how to use them. The window where prevention was a realistic opportunity passed a long time ago.
not inviting and encouraging them is the only viable strategy that doesn't include violence. merkel said let 'em in and everyone flooded all at once. why wouldn't they if they know they won't stop them? if the US lets these 4000 people in, another 4000 will try to squeeze in. and then 10k, and then 100k...a snowball is gonna create an avalanche. that's how it goes.
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