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post 1610399551 07-12-2020, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Abzu⏩
Again...

I would love to bring the light but if I explained further it would kill the discussion.

Patience.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
2 Cor 3:17, 4:5
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we preach[color=red]Jesus Christ[color]as[color=red]Lord[color],"

1 Cor 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is,[color=green]Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.[color]

The Bible actually teaches that Jesus and the Spirit are *NOT* separate. *NOT*.

You teach THE OPPOSITE of the Bible.

OPPOSITE OF.
Correction: Saul taught the opposite of the Gospel
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I despise BrosefMengele.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
2 Cor 3:17, 4:5
[color=red]the Lord[color]is[color=red]the Spirit[color].
we preach[color=red]Jesus Christ[color]as[color=red]Lord[color],"

1 Cor 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, “The first man, Adam, became a living person.” But the last Adam—that is,[color=green]Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.[color]

Clearly THEY ARE THE SAME.

You teach THE OPPOSITE of what the Bible teaches.

Trinitarian insect.
Yea..you are proving our point..Separate but One.
Thanks for playing
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Originally Posted By MaesterSeymour⏩
Correction: Saul taught the opposite of the Gospel
Ah, so you reject Paul. Nothing you say is valid.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yea..you are proving our point..Separate but One.
Thanks for playing
No, you're retarded.

The Scripture literally says Jesus IS the Spirit.

So yeah... proving you WRONG, since you say Jesus is SEPARATE, DISTINCT FROM the Spirit.

Yeah, Jesus is the Spirit, therefore there is no "third person", "non-Jesus spirit" (gee I wonder who THAT could possibly be?). No trinity.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
No, that's retarded.

The Scripture literally says Jesus IS the Spirit.

So yeah... proving you WRONG, since you say Jesus is SEPARATE, DISTINCT FROM the Spirit.

Yeah, Jesus is the Spirit, therefore there is no "third person", "non-Jesus spirit" (gee I wonder who THAT could possibly be?). No trinity.
You cannot be lead by someone & be that someone.
Common sense fail
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Originally Posted By Paul
You cannot be lead by someone & be that someone.
Common sense fail
Not my problem.

Deal with the Scripture.

2 Cor 3:17.

The Lord who is the Spirit is JESUS, NOT "THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY".
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Not my problem.

Deal with the Scripture.

2 Cor 3:17.

The Lord who is the Spirit is JESUS, NOT "THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY".
I despise you.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Nope. Unitarians deny Jesus is God.

Jehovah's witnesses deny Jesus is God

So you're full of SHYT.

I just deny the trinity which isn't even biblical, and is in fact a cult doctrine.

You have no say in this anyway because you aren't even a Christian.
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post 1610401691 07-12-2020, 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Not my problem.

Deal with the Scripture.

2 Cor 3:17.

The Lord who is the Spirit is JESUS, NOT "THE THIRD PERSON OF THE TRINITY".
I did JW..which is why I posted several proving you wrong..cope harder
post 1610401841 07-12-2020, 05:23 PM
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The US is a legitimate state now. At some point, you have to acknowledge it as legitimate. That being said, Israel needs to do something to help the Palestinians and allow them to feel represented and included as citizens OR give them their own state, and give up some of the good land for that. Can't just let a slow genocide occur or them be eventually pushed out.

BTW for all religious, Jesus was basically a Palestinian if he even existed at all. Remember that.
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Originally Posted By Paul
I did JW..which is why I posted several proving you wrong..cope harder
You called me JW like 6 times now, even though I confess Jesus is God, which they do not confess. Stop lying.

Still waiting for you to confess Jesus is Lord.

Then we can move on to 2 Cor 3:17.
Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
Are you Baha’i?
I'm a Protestant.
post 1610402931 07-12-2020, 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted By Dorich⏩
I despise you.
I'm quite fond of you.
post 1610403601 07-12-2020, 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
You called me JW like 6 times now, even though I confess Jesus is God, which they do not confess. Stop lying.

Still waiting for you to confess Jesus is Lord.

Then we can move on to 2 Cor 3:17.



I'm a Protestant.
No you are not a Protestant lol. Of course Jesus is Lord.

Eph 4:30And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Distinct

Quench not the Spirit. Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Separate

Jn16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jesus makes clear distinction of a Separate person here, you deny God's own words.
You are a JW
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Heb 1:2
And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe.

John 1:10
He was in the world, andthe world was created through Him, yet the world did not recognize Him.

Ps 104:30
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;
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Originally Posted By Paul
Of course Jesus is Lord.
2 Cor 3:17
[color=red]the Lord[color]is[color=red]the Spirit[color].

No "third person" "non-Jesus spirit" "Lord".

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
2 Cor 3:17
[color=red]the Lord[color]is[color=red]the Spirit[color].

No "third person" "non-Jesus spirit" "Lord".

Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
Yes..the Bible is comprised of more than one Scripture, we read the Bible as a whole, not cherry pick verses that agree with our single point of view. You must be in Joel Osteen's camp I guess.

Again..
Jn16:7
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Jesus makes clear distinction of a Separate person here, He does not refer to the Spirit as Himself.
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Originally Posted By Paul
Yes..the Bible is comprised of more than one.
There's only one Lord. He's the Spirit.

That's NOT "the third person of the trinity".
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
There's only one Lord. He's the Spirit.

That's NOT "the third person of the trinity".
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Cope
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Originally Posted By Paul
Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

Cope
Jn 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Jn 14:20
You will know that I am in you.

No third person. Keep cherry pickin.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
Jn 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

Jn 14:20
You will know that I am in you.

No third person. Keep cherry pickin.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Hebrew word for Spirit here is ruach, a Seperate Being.
That's what Hebrew Class gets you.
But JW's don't know Hebrew..do they?
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Originally Posted By Paul
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Ps 104:30
You send forth Your Spirit, they are created;

John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning wasthe Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
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1 Corinthians 2:10-11
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too,no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Matthew 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father.No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whomthe Sondesires to reveal Him.
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1 Cor 15:45
Christ—is a life-giving Spirit.

Job 33:4
The Spirit of God created me, andthe breath of the Almighty gave me life.

1 Cor 8:6b
and there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things were created and through whom we live.

2 Corinthians 3:17
Nowthe Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
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Originally Posted By Paul
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. Andthe Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Matt 14:25-27
25As the night was ending, Jesus came to them walking on the sea.26When the disciples saw him walking on the water they were terrified and said, “It’s a ghost!” and cried out with fear. 27But immediately Jesus spoke to them: “Have courage! It is I. Do not be afraid.”
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Originally Posted By Ratfish⏩
Liberal democracy, eh? Whose votes count there?

There is nothing logical about support for Israel whatsoever. If it were logical, something positive would actually flow in our direction after we've spent endless blood and treasure on them.

The alternative is to support none of them. To withdraw all troops from the middle east (and "defund" all of them) forever and use those troops to defend our borders and cities from our true enemy - the democratic party.
Will rep when off spread for that last line.

Israel is a stable power in one of the most unstable regions in the world. We actually gain a lot by supporting them.
-They've successfully prevented victories by radical nationalist movements
-They kept Syria in check while it was a Soviet ally, and continue to do so now that Russia is backing it
-The US makes a ton of money selling arms to Israel and, perhaps more importantly, Israel is able to provide battlefield testing of those arms, often against Soviet/Russian weapons
-We get a TON of intelligence assistance from Mossad
-Israel is a nuclear power. Basic foreign policy dictates that we want nuclear nations on our side whenever possible
And relief washes over me in an awesome wave
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Originally Posted By MattyMiscer⏩
Will rep when off spread for that last line.

Israel is a stable power in one of the most unstable regions in the world. We actually gain a lot by supporting them.
-They've successfully prevented victories by radical nationalist movements
-They kept Syria in check while it was a Soviet ally, and continue to do so now that Russia is backing it
-The US makes a ton of money selling arms to Israel and, perhaps more importantly, Israel is able to provide battlefield testing of those arms, often against Soviet/Russian weapons
-We get a TON of intelligence assistance from Mossad
-Israel is a nuclear power. Basic foreign policy dictates that we want nuclear nations on our side whenever possible
lol at "selling" weapons to them
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Originally Posted By drLihp⏩
lol at "selling" weapons to them
Israel is one of the United States' largest arms importers. In the past decade, the United States has sold Israel $7.2 billion in weaponry and military equipment, $762 million through Direct Commercial Sales (DCS), more than $6.5 billion through the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.

In fact, Israel is so devoted to U.S. military hardware that it has the world’s largest fleet of F-16s outside the U.S., currently possessing more than 200 jets. Another 102 F-16s are on order from Lockheed Martin.

The United States has also underwritten Israel’s domestic armaments industry, by giving:

$1.3 billion to develop the Lavi aircraft (cancelled)
$625 million to develop and deploy the Arrow anti-missile missile (an ongoing project)
$200 million to develop the Merkava tank (operative); the latest version, the Merkava 4, uses a German V-12 diesel engine produced under license in the U.S. by General Dynamics
$130 million to develop the high-energy laser anti-missile system (ongoing).
https://ips-dc.org/us_arms_transfers...FMS)%20program.

Even with all of the weapons and assistance that we "give" to Israel, we're getting a payoff. For example, we can save money on R&D by giving Israel some money to develop missile defense systems rather than doing it all ourselves; we give them $200m to design a new tank, but the engines for that tank are built in the US, etc.
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Originally Posted By BrosefMengele⏩
I'm a Protestant.
I was raised Lutheran with heavy emphasis on the Trinity as three persons. Lutherans adhere to the Nicene Creed
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Originally Posted By keyboardworkout⏩
I was raised Lutheran with heavy emphasis on the Trinity as three persons. Lutherans adhere to the Nicene Creed
Lutherans are basically Roman Catholic, they worship the Roman Catholic god. The nicene creed is not Scripture.
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