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Thread: Any Athiest here have children?

post 1543120201 02-07-2018, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
Again, you are wrong. I have to have an annual medical exam, by a doctor, in order to keep my pilot's licence. I go see a doctor when I'm not sick.
i know you love proving me wrong, I'm glade I can boast your confidence
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post 1543120671 02-07-2018, 02:46 PM
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Rabbitjb I'ma need pics of Glutes/ Ted's so I can appreciate gods beautiful creation. No lust/covet just appreciation. Why you seem angry?
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
So with faith and a few bucks I can eat a meal?

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Responses like this is what give atheists a bad name. I have had great philosophical conversations with atheists but then there's plenty of them, especially online, just insult instead of debate
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post 1543120841 02-07-2018, 02:48 PM
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Atheist spouse and I was raised evangelical Christian, but now agnostic for lack of a better word.
Originally Posted By Flakker⏩
I like this approach.

I also think it's important for kids to understand the bible, it's moral system and be able to make use of some allegories from it. So much of the modern western world is predicated on a Christian world view. IMO the modern atheist gives Christianity too much power/credence by being afraid of it.

I also think that the community that comes from church is valuable and atheism doesn't have a corresponding equivalent.
Yeah, pretty much my take on it. Let my daughter go with her grandma sometimes, but didn't want her to be indoctrinated like I was.
Originally Posted By acrawlingchaos⏩
You have every excuse available as to why Christians are morally superior to nontheists, and you certainly aren't afraid to use them. A simple question about atheists having Children and you point to Hitler, Stalin and Mao?

Let me ask you a simple question (though I know what the answer is different to depending on what context is being used). Is the USA a country founded on Christian principles and by and large a Christian nation with by and large Christian leaders?
Not directed @ me but since no one answered AFAIK they (the founders) were largely theists, but not necessarily Christian.
Originally Posted By sawoobley⏩
When people make up their own morals then tend to shift with the current trends or they able to adjust to fit their needs. When morals are derived from an all-knowing, all loving, all power being those morals cannot be shifted according to the whims of man. At best their understanding and the nuances can be increased. Otherwise that person falls out of favor with God.

I don’t follow God out of fear but rather out of respect and because I trust He knows better than the rest of us fallible, mortal beings.
Already addressed ITT, but religion does change all the time to fit society. Heck, arguing about which rules to keep and which ones to overlook is the biggest part of most schisms/aka spin offs/aka denominations.
Originally Posted By Muzzlrpress⏩
Lol, can confirm. Don't tell nobody nuthin!

So if a 5 year old has a retardation, you believe it would be ok to then kill that child? If you have a child, you love them even if they are flawed. God is said to be all loving, but also kills indiscriminately.

God didn't kill Job's family because they were flawed, he killed them to prove a point.

He didn't kill the first born Egyptians because of a flaw, he killed them to prove his power to the pharaoh in an elaborate display

Apparently almost every human on earth had some major flaw and had to drown.

An all powerful, all loving God routinely kills people that are not his chosen people, for any reason. If anyone else did this, you would call them evil. Because the bible says God is good, we have to believe these acts are good.

The problem with that is according to the bible, we all inherently have knowledge of good and evil, so we should know it in our hearts when we see and hear evil. If I mention the holocaust, no one would bat an eye at calling Hitler evil. Flood the entire world and kill everyone because they didn't love you enough, no one bats an eye.
Right there with you. For me it was also "our version of Christianity is the right one and all the other people (even Christians) are condemned", so if you never were exposed to this flavor of faith then too bad, or if you were raised with some other version too bad. Add that to "created in his image" + "knew you in your mother's womb (sounds like predestination) + "loving father" + "can't abide those who miss the mark (sin) so they must be cast out to suffer eternally" = ???

There are parts of my religious upbringing that I like and would be comforting to believe, but so much cognitive dissonance.

If your religion works for you and isn't harming anyone else it's all good. Only a problem if it is used as a justification to control/harm other people.
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post 1543120891 02-07-2018, 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted By halfbreedbrah⏩
Rabbitjb I'ma need pics of Glutes/ Ted's so I can appreciate gods beautiful creation. No lust/covet just appreciation. Why you seem angry?
Google image search will be your friend ..the nets full of bums and tits

You appreciate away ....just don’t make a mess

I don’t get angry at much ....hypocrisy pisses me off a leetle though
post 1543121121 02-07-2018, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted By IRONjockey94⏩
Responses like this is what give atheists a bad name. I have had great philosophical conversations with atheists but then there's plenty of them, especially online, just insult instead of debate
It was a natural extrapolation from your comment

If you want to debate say something debate worthy
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So if the bible says God is everything and everyone does that mean Athiest don't believe in themselves
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post 1543122161 02-07-2018, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
So if the bible says God is everything and everyone does that mean Athiest don't believe in themselves
No it means they don’t believe in the bible and God sweetie
post 1543122321 02-07-2018, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
No it means they don’t believe in the bible and God sweetie
wow and this is what they teach their children?
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post 1543122401 02-07-2018, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
So if the bible says God is everything and everyone does that mean Athiest don't believe in themselves
What makes you think the bible is to be believed?
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post 1543122611 02-07-2018, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
What makes you think the bible is to be believed?
can you give a better definition for love than the bible?
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post 1543122741 02-07-2018, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
can you give a better definition for love than the bible?
So you don't have an answer to my question. Instead you deflect with an unrelated question. Duly noted.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
What makes you think the bible is to be believed?
can you provide instruction on how to achieve everything you could ever possibly want better than the bible?
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post 1543122891 02-07-2018, 03:10 PM
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The bible has survived the test of time
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post 1543122941 02-07-2018, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
wow and this is what they teach their children?
To have honour, integrity and be moral in their choices. To work hard, to love with abandon and to not be ashamed or embarrassed by pleasure. To be proud of who they are and appreciate how their actions can make others feel. To be the person others will turn to and can rely on in times of crisis. To be a valuable part of their community and the wider world, And to enjoy life.

In part

Beats Teaching them to believe in a bearded man in the sky and fear everlasting punishment
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Dying at this thread. Legit conversation going on, outside of Feminineenergy outlandish and ignorant posts. Meanwhile OP posting nonsensical thoughts that no one is even responding to.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
To have honour, integrity and be moral in their choices. To work hard, to love with abandon and to not be ashamed or embarrassed by pleasure. To be proud of who they are and appreciate how their actions can make others feel. To be the person others will turn to and can rely on in times of crisis. To be a valuable part of their community and the wider world, And to enjoy life.

In part
i think you do believe in God or at least agnostics
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post 1543123361 02-07-2018, 03:13 PM
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No I’m a proud atheist, I feel no need to hedge my bets with agnosticism ..I know I’m a good person

I believe in the human spirit

If death proves me wrong then your everloving god would be proud of me for what I do in my belief in humanity. If my lack of faith causes me to burn in your purgatory then he’s an evil little psychopath which means your belief is still wrong
Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
can you provide instruction on how to achieve everything you could ever possibly want better than the bible?
Without quoting verse, and speaking in understandable English what has your bible taught you?
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Originally Posted By rhadam⏩
Dying at this thread. Legit conversation going on, outside of Feminineenergy outlandish and ignorant posts. Meanwhile OP posting nonsensical thoughts that no one is even responding to.
truth is what scares them.
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post 1543123571 02-07-2018, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
No I’m a proud atheist

I believe in the human spirit



Without quoting verse, and speaking in understandable English what has your bible taught you?
taught me about unconditional love
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
taught me about unconditional love
That’s not biblical ..that’s humanity

What else?

Edit actually if love of god is unconditional then wtf is hell for?
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Lol at the thread. Lots of good conversation and then op showing up sticking a fork in an electrical socket and then leaving every few posts.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
What makes you think the bible is to be believed?
There are levels to it.

An algorithm would look like nonsense to a child who has learned their addition and subtraction facts. Yet it is not nonsense - it is just a higher level of understanding is needed.

So, you apply what you know. It works. Learn more. Apply it. It works. Learn more. Apply it (and so on and so forth).

When you have a lifetime's worth of "oh, now i get it!" And it works, you believe, and grow in that belief.
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Originally Posted By rhadam⏩
Dying at this thread. Legit conversation going on, outside of Feminineenergy outlandish and ignorant posts. Meanwhile OP posting nonsensical thoughts that no one is even responding to.
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Originally Posted By feminineenergy⏩
There are levels to it.

An algorithm would look like nonsense to a child who has learned their addition and subtraction facts. Yet it is not nonsense - it is just a higher level of understanding is needed.

So, you apply what you know. It works. Learn more. Apply it. It works. Learn more. Apply it (and so on and so forth).

When you have a lifetime's worth of "oh, now i get it!" And it works, you believe, and grow in that belief.
I had over 20 years of exposure to the bible and its teachings and, at the end of the day, I find it totally unbelievable. It's one of those books that a person can choose to believe, can have faith in believing, but logically there is no reason to believe it is factual.
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
I had over 20 years of exposure to the bible and its teachings and, at the end of the day, I find it totally unbelievable. It's one of those books that a person can choose to believe, can have faith in believing, but logically there is no reason to believe it is factual.
It’s allegorical and there is a true joy in allegories

So open to perspective and interpretation
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So, you know how unicorns symbolise virginity and purity and goodness in many fables

Did unicorns ever exist?
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Originally Posted By PlanoLifter⏩
I had over 20 years of exposure to the bible and its teachings and, at the end of the day, I find it totally unbelievable. It's one of those books that a person can choose to believe, can have faith in believing, but logically there is no reason to believe it is factual.
This. It's not something you can apply logic to. That's what the whole faith thing is about. In order to believe what's in it, you need blind faith.

We don't have talking snakes, magically appearing food, disembodied voices coming from bushes, angel wrestling, the ability to survive in a whale's mouth, etc. in our time. To believe any of that even happened you have to just forget what you know to be logical and just believe.
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Originally Posted By Rabbitjb⏩
Yup

I also work with vulnerable kids and it builds my disrespect for the hypocrisy of religion daily

So let’s go ...I’m up for it
What hypocrisy are you referring to?
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