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Originally Posted By gachase21⏩
You are making a few false assumptions there and I’m not going into full detail with you


Call it crap if you will so be it.

Not gonna detail discuss all the parameters
You are either lying...or you were exploiting moderated skilled US workers. Absolutely no way you can absorbed a 360% FTE increase <3yrs....unless you were exploiting US workers. So which is it? Lying or exploitation?
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Originally Posted By ichBinBerliner⏩
You are either lying...or you were exploiting moderated skilled US workers. Absolutely no way you can absorbed a 360% FTE increase <3yrs....unless you were exploiting US workers. So which is it? Lying or exploitation?
It is something I am not going to discuss in detail with you, so you can just take that however you wish to interpret it.


For you to understand the entirety of the situation are more details and I wish to disclose to you.


So in essence your false dichotomy will go unanswered
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
California is my favourite, but you already knew that. Most open-minded people in the U.S. 2018.

Where are you from out of interest? You sound like an angry blue collar worker from Arkansas who complains about his taxes a lot.
Favorite how? You're certainly entitled to that opinion but I would say its born out of ignorance like most things you post

Couldn't be farther from the truth. Second generation white collar professional. I have lived in or visited most of the US

I'll bet anything right now you've never even set foot in Arkansas let alone experienced the people there. How could you possibly know what they're like?

Another bigoted and close-minded assumption from a smug foreigner. You're a class act
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
Favorite how? You're certainly entitled to that opinion but I would say its born out of ignorance like most things you post

Couldn't be farther from the truth. Second generation white collar professional. I have lived in or visited most of the US

I'll bet anything right now you've never even set foot in Arkansas let alone experienced the people there. How could you possibly know what they're like?

Another bigoted and close-minded assumption from a smug foreigner. You're a class act
So you're allowed to make assumptions but I'm not? I already told you I'm well travelled across the U.S., but no, I have never visited Arkansas. My opinion is based on it being one of the poorer states on terms of average income.

California is an amazing place to visit and the people there appear to be more open minded and accepting of new or controversial ideas.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
California is my favourite, but you already knew that. Most open-minded people in the U.S. 2018.

Where are you from out of interest? You sound like an angry blue collar worker from Arkansas who complains about his taxes a lot.
Not sure where you visited but only parts of Cali are beautiful. Live in SD. I travel for work, and the country is gorgeous. If there is a heaven it looks like Ohio. Also go fuk yourself. Most this country is open minded and filled with amazing caring people, I wouldn’t live anywhere else. There is beauty and culture in every state, it is close minded of you to say otherwise.












































Except Iowa. Just fooking field of corn.
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Not sure where you visited but only parts of Cali are beautiful. Live in SD. I travel for work, and the country is gorgeous. If there is a heaven it looks like Ohio. Also go fuk yourself. Most this country is open minded and filled with amazing caring people, I wouldn’t live anywhere else. There is beauty and culture in every state, it is close minded of you to say otherwise.

Except Iowa. Just fooking field of corn.
I never said there was no culture or open minded people in any other state, just that California is nice. I love San Diego btw, jelly.
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Not sure where you visited but only parts of Cali are beautiful. Live in SD. I travel for work, and the country is gorgeous. If there is a heaven it looks like Ohio. Also go fuk yourself. Most this country is open minded and filled with amazing caring people, I wouldn’t live anywhere else. There is beauty and culture in every state, it is close minded of you to say otherwise.












































Except Iowa. Just fooking field of corn.
Maryland is also quite terrible when it comes to natural beauty.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
So you're allowed to make assumptions but I'm not? I already told you I'm well travelled across the U.S., but no, I have never visited Arkansas. My opinion is based on it being one of the poorer states on terms of average income.
I've made no assumptions about your background. You read some economic literature and assumed I was from there based on that and my posting here. I'm not surprised you don't see an issue with that. One could write paragraphs about your bigoted assumptions but I'll just let you wallow in it

Do you think its fair to make an assumption about the entire state of CA and the entirety of the US based on your extremely limited experience? Of course you do and you don't see any issue with that!

We come to the root of the issue once again. Its obvious you're not from CA considering how close-minded you are. Am I doing it right?
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
So you're allowed to make assumptions but I'm not? I already told you I'm well travelled across the U.S., but no, I have never visited Arkansas. My opinion is based on it being one of the poorer states on terms of average income.

California is an amazing place to visit and the people there appear to be more open minded and accepting of new or controversial ideas.
California definitely is a nice place to visit, but that's it. I would never live there. In San Fran, 6 figures is now considered low-income. There is a tremendous gap of incomes and tons of homeless people. I would have to make 3x the amount I make now to have a close comparable lifestyle.

Open minded or accepting controversial ideas? In the large cities they are giant echo chambers of playing victims complex and identity politics. If you're a trans-black man muslim (if that's even possible) then your word is taken as absolute. If you're a straight white male, you're evil and need to give up all your "privilege" and everything you say is garbage.
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Originally Posted By Retoaded⏩
Wait. This ******* who argues incessantly about American politics with Americans is not an American?

We need another R/P section for her and Ectocuck and such to argue American politics in.
I JUST SAID THE SAME THING LMAO!! This poster Fatalwhatever12 that has been spouting off about letting China continue to fukk us, and that the US doesnt NEED to stay #1 and it's OK isnt even American?! bwahahahahaa OF COURSE! How did I not realize that sooner, thought he was just a young naive 20-something US kid who wants communism and hates capitalism LMAO
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
So you're allowed to make assumptions but I'm not? I already told you I'm well travelled across the U.S., but no, I have never visited Arkansas. My opinion is based on it being one of the poorer states on terms of average income.

California is an amazing place to visit and the people there appear to be more open minded and accepting of new or controversial ideas.
You're a fukking idiot. You of all people should know that traveling a lot DOES NOT equal being a citizen of and grwoing up in. I say you're and idiot, come off like an anti American azz, and shouldnt invest so much in our politics because you cant even vote to sway them.
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Originally Posted By arn710⏩
I've made no assumptions about your background. You read some economic literature and assumed I was from there based on that and my posting here. I'm not surprised you don't see an issue with that. One could write paragraphs about your bigoted assumptions but I'll just let you wallow in it

Do you think its fair to make an assumption about the entire state of CA and the entirety of the US based on your extremely limited experience? Of course you do and you don't see any issue with that!

We come to the root of the issue once again. Its obvious you're not from CA considering how close-minded you are. Am I doing it right?
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
It hits industry hard and makes it unfeasible for some to continue operations. The aluminium/steel tariffs destroyed industry and working families on both sides.

This is going to make that worse exponentially. 0.3% is an extremely conservative estimate, I'd like to see a source. Even then, it's almost half of the agri-food spending in the U.S.



No, but I'm very pro-U.S. because the U.S. has mostly been a positive influence on the world and don't want to see it make bad moves.
The US has over a trillion dollars in deficits with the world, we have the strongest economy, the other countries have no wiggle room..we do..your obviously not in finance, btw a correction in the stock market is needed too..or do you think 20% growth YOY is good
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Originally Posted By Ten_Hearts⏩
Maryland is also quite terrible when it comes to natural beauty.
But who was shell fish and beer? Got some solid crab in Maryland. No matter where you go in the country we have something to look forward to. No joke.
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
But who was shell fish and beer? Got some solid crab in Maryland. No matter where you go in the country we have something to look forward to. No joke.
That's fair enough, but these are typical distraction tactics from the right (I'm not talking about you here, btw).

Thus, instead of coming up with some genuine arguments for the$200B of tariffs Trump imposed on Chinawe're now talking about which states I've personally been to and what the shellfish is like in Maryland.

arn is an expert derailer. He should work for Trump.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
arn is an expert derailer. He should work for Trump.
Continue spewing bullchit and I'll be right behind you every time calling you out

Count on it
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
But who was shell fish and beer? Got some solid crab in Maryland. No matter where you go in the country we have something to look forward to. No joke.
True but our representatives seem to be hating on our craft beer industry.

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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
That's fair enough, but these are typical distraction tactics from the right (I'm not talking about you here, btw).

Thus, instead of coming up with some genuine arguments for the$200B of tariffs Trump imposed on Chinawe're now talking about which states I've personally been to and what the shellfish is like in Maryland.

arn is an expert derailer. He should work for Trump.
Alright I am going to articulate the argument to the best of my ability. Know that I do not represent everyone in this forum and I apologize now for mis-speaking.

Preface: I’m a lib from Cali who voted and supports Trump.

This country is number 1 as previously stated, however the quality of life is not that of those who benefit off of our support. Sure we are ahead economically but we aren’t really benefiting.

We are taxed (depending on state even more) as much as every other euro country, yet we pay for our own health care, we pay for our own education. We do not live as well because we pay for defense and the world seems to be benefiting. Our money goes to our military and not our quality of life. To make up for that we build ourselves into an economic super power to pay for those benefits. But if you did a quality of life check we are hurting even though we have brought peace to the world. And yes we do currently live in the most peaceful era ever.

We want that quality of life. Yes being a dick isn’t the amswer, but we are being stolen from by China, we are being bullied by the EU. And yes we make more money but we have to spend it plus more to get the same quality of life.

It’s not that we want more, we want to be equal. We’ve worked and sacrificed our own for it.
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Originally Posted By Ten_Hearts⏩
Maryland is also quite terrible when it comes to natural beauty.
WTF? Mountains, the Chesapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean, tons of public parks.

Please go.
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Alright I am going to articulate the argument to the best of my ability. Know that I do not represent everyone in this forum and I apologize now for mis-speaking.

Preface: I’m a lib from Cali who voted and supports Trump.

This country is number 1 as previously stated, however the quality of life is not that of those who benefit off of our support. Sure we are ahead economically but we aren’t really benefiting.

We are taxed (depending on state even more) as much as every other euro country, yet we pay for our own health care, we pay for our own education. We do not live as well because we pay for defense and the world seems to be benefiting. Our money goes to our military and not our quality of life. To make up for that we build ourselves into an economic super power to pay for those benefits. But if you did a quality of life check we are hurting even though we have brought peace to the world. And yes we do currently live in the most peaceful era ever.

We want that quality of life. Yes being a dick isn’t the amswer, but we are being stolen from by China, we are being bullied by the EU. And yes we make more money but we have to spend it plus more to get the same quality of life.

It’s not that we want more, we want to be equal. We’ve worked and sacrificed our own for it.
You just said what the problem is, you're spending 57% of your GDP on the military. Now compare that to Agri-Food at 1%. How is that anyone else's fault? Don't give me the whole NATO story either, the U.S. pays around 4% of the NATO budget - the rest is costed by the RoW.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
You just said what the problem is, you're spending 57% of your GDP on the military. Now compare that to Agri-Food at 1%. How is that anyone else's fault? Don't give me the whole NATO story either, the U.S. pays around 4% of the NATO budget - the rest is costed by the RoW.
Fault? You say it like it hasn’t been forced upon us since WW1. We went back to isolationism right after yet we were begged into entering WW2. If we had not entered the British would have gone into bankruptcy and lost the war, you’re welcome. Now the world expects us to be the world police at the cost of our own quality of life? It’s wrong to expect the same quality of life as th EU?
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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Fault? You say it like it hasn’t been forced upon us since WW1. We went back to isolationism right after yet we were begged into entering WW2. If we had not entered the British would have gone into bankruptcy and lost the war, you’re welcome. Now the world expects us to be the world police at the cost of our own quality of life? It’s wrong to expect the same quality of life as th EU?
The U.S. government had zero public support for entering WW2 even to save the U.K. That changed when they were themselves attacked by Japan and taken by surprise followed by Germany declaring war on the U.S. That's when in combination with the UK and the Soviets went after the Axis powers.

If you want the same quality of life as the EU, adopt more socialist policies. That's where the quality of life comes from - they get taxed a lot more but get social benefits in exchange like free healthcare, free university, four day work weeks etc.

You're being shafted by the employers and the corporations who don't even let a new mother take maternity leave yet you shovel money into their greedy coffers continually. You elected a President who spent a lifetime ripping average people off.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
The U.S. public had zero support for entering WW2 even to save the U.K. The U.S. entered WW2 because they were attacked by Japan and then in combination with the UK and the Soviets went after the Axis powers.

If you want the same quality of life as the EU, adopt more socialist policies. That's where the quality of life comes from - they get taxed a lot more but get social benefits in exchange like free healthcare, four day work weeks etc.

You're being shafted by the employers and the corporations who don't even let a new mother take maternity leave yet you shovel money into their greedy coffers continually. You elected a President who spent a lifetime ripping average people off.
Brush up on your history and come back. Srs.

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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Brush up on your history and come back. Srs.

Brb
You can't be American and not know this.

West (2003) writes,“the surprise Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor in 1941 changed public opinion. With the moral authority generated by a military attack, the American public shifted strongly in favor of war… With a clear-cut enemy in Germany and Japan, and opponents who were easy to demonize given atrocities that they committed, the war was framed as a good war against evil opponents.”

"After the war began in Europe in 1939, people in the Americas were divided on whether their countries should take part or stay out. Most Americans hoped the Allies would win, but they also hoped to keep the United States out of war. The isolationists, wanted the country to stay out of the war at almost any cost. Another group, the interventionists, wanted the United States to do all in its power to aid the Allies. Canada declared war on Germany almost at once, while the United States shifted its policy from neutrality to preparedness. It began to expand its armed forces, build defense plants, and give the Allies all-out aid short of war.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt called upon the United States to be "the great arsenal of democracy," and supply war materials to the Allies through sale, lease, or loan. The Lend-Lease bill became law on March 11, 1941. During the next four years, the U.S. sent more than $50 billion worth of war material to the Allies."
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
The U.S. government had zero public support for entering WW2 even to save the U.K. That changed when they were themselves attacked by Japan and taken by surprise followed by Germany declaring war on the U.S. That's when in combination with the UK and the Soviets went after the Axis powers.

If you want the same quality of life as the EU, adopt more socialist policies. That's where the quality of life comes from - they get taxed a lot more but get social benefits in exchange like free healthcare, free university, four day work weeks etc.

You're being shafted by the employers and the corporations who don't even let a new mother take maternity leave yet you shovel money into their greedy coffers continually. You elected a President who spent a lifetime ripping average people off.
Support for a war isn’t the same as a reason for entering or starting a war. Governments do what is necessary at times regardless of support. Again we were isolationist after WW1 and entered WW2 when it became detrimental. Regardless of public support.

We can’t afford socialist policies because the world consistently leaches off of us. We provide military support and get nothing back. And fuk off. If you add the tax in Cali which is attempting to add more socialist programs, we pay more and receive less. What else are we to expect our leaders to do? Sit with their thumbs up their ass?
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
WTF? Mountains, the Chesapeake Bay, the Atlantic Ocean, tons of public parks.

Please go.
Sugarloaf isnt a mountain haha. We have some parks but nothing with any wow factor. The chesapeake Bay has gotten better with the working against pollution...atlantic ocean? Ocean city considered a beach?

Idk high expectations i guess. But just compared to other places ive travelled maryland is kinda meh when it comes to nature

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Originally Posted By stillbored⏩
Support for a war isn’t the same as a reason for entering or starting a war. Governments do what is necessary at times regardless of support. Again we were isolationist after WW1 and entered WW2 when it became detrimental. Regardless of public support.

We can’t afford socialist policies because the world consistently leaches off of us. We provide military support and get nothing back. And fuk off. If you add the tax in Cali which is attempting to add more socialist programs, we pay more and receive less. What else are we to expect our leaders to do? Sit with their thumbs up their ass?
You don't need to provide military support, that's just the story Trump is feeding you back home. The reason you spend 57% of the GDP on the military is to ensure your own survival. That's the only thing keeping the U.S. alive, military power.

Get the corporations and capitalists out, fund your own social programs, decrease people taxes and hike corporation tax, give workers more rights and you'll have your EU-like quality of life.

The bane of your existence are corporations, but you guys just can't figure it out.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
You don't need to provide military support, that's just the story Trump is feeding you back home. The reason you spend 57% of the GDP on the military is to ensure your own survival. That's the only thing keeping the U.S. alive, military power.

Get the corporations and capitalists out, fund your own social programs, decrease people taxes and hike corporation tax, give workers more rights and you'll have your EU-like quality of life.

The bane of your existence are corporations, but you guys just can't figure it out.
But we do provide military support in Europe. So much that these other NATO members have been slacking on their agreed to military support.
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Originally Posted By Cleveland33⏩
But we do provide military support in Europe. So much that these other NATO members have been slacking on their agreed to military support.
NATO funding has been slacking, that much is true. But you're spending 57% of your GDP on the military and that's not including the additional 4% spent on Veterans. Now compare that to Agri-Food, farmers get 1% of the GDP given back to them. It's shameful.

America could be so great, honestly - incomparable - if you adopted EU like worker and consumer rights. The corporations are sucking the people of America dry and your politicians make you believe they're what's good for you. Some people are working 6-day work weeks and on phone/e-mail on their day off. No maternity leave. No healthcare or free university. Bad public transport. You don't realise how much you're getting shafted.

If you got social healthcare and true workers union power - nobody would be able to match America.
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