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post 1556000281 07-11-2018, 12:31 PM
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Kerry condemns Trump's 'strange' and 'disgraceful' rhetoric at NATO

Former Secretary of State John Kerry slammed President Trump on Wednesday over the president's comments hammering allies about their contributions to NATO at the group's annual summit.

Kerry, the United States' top diplomat for President Obama's second term, issued a blistering statement on Twitter condemning Trump's remarks to NATO members at the summit in Brussels, Belgium, calling them "strange" and "counterproductive."

"I've never seen a president say anything as strange or counterproductive as President Trump's harangue against NATO and Germany. It was disgraceful, destructive, and flies in the face of actual American interests," Kerry said.

"Why would an American president whose first NATO meeting last year was a disaster, show up in Belgium this year just to prove he doesn't understand how vital alliances have made a huge difference for the security of the United States and the lives of Europeans?" Kerry continued.

He also accused Trump of showing "woeful ignorance of the work his predecessor's administration did to increase European defense spending."

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...nd-destructive
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Originally Posted By JediRN⏩
Quote of apology?


Try and be less naive from now on. K thx bye
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Originally Posted By JediRN⏩
Quote of apology?
Apology to eurocucks

So we must be honest with ourselves. In recent years we've allowed our Alliance to drift. I know that there have been honest disagreements over policy, but we also know that there's something more that has crept into our relationship. In America, there's a failure to appreciate Europe's leading role in the world. Instead of celebrating your dynamic union and seeking to partner with you to meet common challenges, there have been times where America has shown arrogance and been dismissive, even derisive.

Apology to religion of peace

My job to the Muslim world is to communicate that the Americans are not your enemy. We sometimes make mistakes. We have not been perfect. But if you look at the track record, as you say, America was not born as a colonial power, and that the same respect and partnership that America had with the Muslim world as recently as 20 or 30 years ago, there's no reason why we can't restore that.
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If I was a russian asset I would be buddy buddy with Putin and Kim Jong Un and I would upset and distance us from all our allies.

Not talking about any specific subject or person. Just what I would do if I was a russian intelligence asset. Because thats what russian intelligences main goal is. To break the nato alliance.

I would just need some useful idiots to support me no matter what and think I cant do wrong no matter how suspicious I act.

Again. Not talking about anything real world. Just what I would do in that position.
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Originally Posted By ODBM⏩
They just need a revitalization of German spirit and national identity. Must suck living your entire life while the state constantly pounds into you how guilty you should feel about the Holocaust, and that third-world people wouldn't be suffering were it not for the evil white man - and to that end that Germany does not belong to the German people, but rather to the poor, the sick and the desperate.

There is a fiercely intelligent beast hiding deep down within every German. It'll just require a lot of excavation to bring it to the surface.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Kerry condemns Trump's 'strange' and 'disgraceful' rhetoric at NATO

Former Secretary of State John Kerry slammed President Trump on Wednesday over the president's comments hammering allies about their contributions to NATO at the group's annual summit.

Kerry, the United States' top diplomat for President Obama's second term, issued a blistering statement on Twitter condemning Trump's remarks to NATO members at the summit in Brussels, Belgium, calling them "strange" and "counterproductive."

"I've never seen a president say anything as strange or counterproductive as President Trump's harangue against NATO and Germany. It was disgraceful, destructive, and flies in the face of actual American interests," Kerry said.




"Why would an American president whose first NATO meeting last year was a disaster, show up in Belgium this year just to prove he doesn't understand how vital alliances have made a huge difference for the security of the United States and the lives of Europeans?" Kerry continued.

He also accused Trump of showing "woeful ignorance of the work his predecessor's administration did to increase European defense spending."

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...nd-destructive
Like anyone gives a fukk what John Kerry has to say
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Originally Posted By StarFox⏩
Like anyone gives a fukk what John Kerry has to say
I wonder if he is lining himself up to run in 2020
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John Kerry knows how to mend international relationships of the highest caliber:

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So they aren't meeting their end of the agreement and he's wrong for speaking up?

When they signed up for NATO they made an agreement to spend at least 2% of their GDP on military/defense. This was put in place to prevent exactly what is happening and that is some countries use NATO as their national defense without having to contribute.

NATO needs the US, its not the other way around. If anything happened to the US, say we got into it with China, the NATO countries could do very, very little. In fact, NATO poses a threat to our security because it wouldn't be the first time that we got sucked into one of their conflicts.

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Germany just wants us to leave.... so you know.... they could take care of everything, naw what I'm sayin?
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I love it. Pulled no punches and saying what needed to be said.
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Originally Posted By BFast55⏩
I love it. Pulled no punches and saying what needed to be said.
In other words, he's acting presidential.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
Nobody needs the U.S. for anything apart from security either. I hope the U.S. withdraws from NATO personally so other countries can invest in their own military and not rely on the U.S.

It would be a shockwave initially, but at least people will start realising the U.S. is not their friend any more and all those military bases around the world are threats.

This will never happen in reality because it threatens almost a hundred years of peace and prosperity not only in Europe but everywhere. The people calling for it back home haven't seen the devastation of war.

Btw, Russia can't take on all of Europe unless it's nuclear war and even then it would be mutually assured destruction.
Lol so what did Europe do when Russia annexed part of Ukraine? They said some mean things then quietly backed down. Russia is going to keep taking a little piece here and there. Europe proved what total cucks they are already.

America is the only thing stopping Russia from taking Europe. You lose America's defense and Europe can't win a conventional war with Russia. They wouldn't even have to use nukes.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Kerry condemns Trump's 'strange' and 'disgraceful' rhetoric at NATO

Former Secretary of State John Kerry slammed President Trump on Wednesday over the president's comments hammering allies about their contributions to NATO at the group's annual summit.

Kerry, the United States' top diplomat for President Obama's second term, issued a blistering statement on Twitter condemning Trump's remarks to NATO members at the summit in Brussels, Belgium, calling them "strange" and "counterproductive."

"I've never seen a president say anything as strange or counterproductive as President Trump's harangue against NATO and Germany. It was disgraceful, destructive, and flies in the face of actual American interests," Kerry said.

"Why would an American president whose first NATO meeting last year was a disaster, show up in Belgium this year just to prove he doesn't understand how vital alliances have made a huge difference for the security of the United States and the lives of Europeans?" Kerry continued.

He also accused Trump of showing "woeful ignorance of the work his predecessor's administration did to increase European defense spending."

http://thehill.com/policy/internatio...nd-destructive
Look at John Kerry trying to remain relevant. Cute.

Also to the armchair generals in this thread: Russia and Europe aren't having a conventional war anytime soon as neither side has the military for it currently.
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[QUOTE=NYPat;1556000281]"[b]I've never seen a president say anything as strange or counterproductive as President Trump's harangue against NATO and Germany. It was disgraceful, destructive, and flies in the face of actual American interests[/b]," Kerry said./QUOTE]

This kinda made me realize how he could certainely have said these points in a more diplomatic way. Something like(note English is just my second language) "It would be great for NATO to have a stronger Germany. If Germany strengthened it's military, they could really contribute more internationally. Therefore I strongly support the idea of Germany increasing it's military spending and plan on discussing that idea with chancellor Merkel."

I doubt Trump is dumb enough to just offend his allies without other reasons. Looking at the way he posted that clip Twitter, I think he knows many of his supporters hate Germany since the refugee crisis and thinks he can get some brownie points with his supporters.
He likely also knows, that Merkel is planning to increase their military spendings anyways and might be quite shure, that Merkel will accept most of his demmands on that front.

Not shure, what to do about the Gazprom thing. Electricity is not state owned in Germany. Can't forbid private companies to import stuff from Russia.
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Why don't all the NATO countries just veto it and start a new one with Russia???
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Originally Posted By Dontoewsmebro⏩
Why do you think I know they're dictators.
Lol. Protecting the constitution, lowering taxes, creating a booming economy, reducing regulations, and protecting our borders equals dictator to liberals.

That’s the default 5th grade reasoning skills of libs. Dictator! Nazi! Racist! Russia! With zero evidence other than mother phucking winning and cucking bish ass ******* countries like Germany.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
This kinda made me realize how he could certainely have said these points in a more diplomatic way.
He doesn't need to. The USA is the man of this relationship, and if European nations don't like it, then they're free to leave.
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Originally Posted By ODBM⏩
He doesn't need to. The USA is the man of this relationship, and if European nations don't like it, then they're free to leave.
The USA is the drunk uncle of this relationship now.
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Originally Posted By I3igAl⏩
"I've never seen a president say anything as strange or counterproductive as President Trump's harangue against NATO and Germany. It was disgraceful, destructive, and flies in the face of actual American interests," Kerry said

This kinda made me realize how he could certainely have said these points in a more diplomatic way. Something like(note English is just my second language) "It would be great for NATO to have a stronger Germany. If Germany strengthened it's military, they could really contribute more internationally. Therefore I strongly support the idea of Germany increasing it's military spending and plan on discussing that idea with chancellor Merkel."

I doubt Trump is dumb enough to just offend his allies without other reasons. Looking at the way he posted that clip Twitter, I think he knows many of his supporters hate Germany since the refugee crisis and thinks he can get some brownie points with his supporters.
He likely also knows, that Merkel is planning to increase their military spendings anyways and might be quite shure, that Merkel will accept most of his demmands on that front.

Not shure, what to do about the Gazprom thing. Electricity is not state owned in Germany. Can't forbid private companies to import stuff from Russia.
Of course he wouldn't say it like that. That would make too much sense, would be too diplomatic and would make him a part of the deep state. It also wouldn't make a very good headline or Twitter post.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The USA is the drunk uncle of this relationship now.
Wrong. We provide money and security.
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Germany shutting down coal and nuclear plants, thus raising energy costs on its' citizens while constructing a pipeline for Russian natural gas while NATO plays Putin as the big bad boogeyman is ridiculous and now the world has seen how much ****e it really is.
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
The USA is the drunk uncle of this relationship now.
Except for the fact that we have the worlds strongest economy and military.

So if your drunk uncle is the one that has all the money and pays for everything in the family then yea.
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
Except for the fact that we have the worlds strongest economy and military.

So if your drunk uncle is the one that has all the money and pays for everything in the family then yea.
Then please tell me why the US is even involved with NATO?

Surely there must be a reason..
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Then please tell me why the US is even involved with NATO?

Surely there must be a reason..
They get "billions and billions" of military bases across Europe in strategic locations. I didn't support the U.S. leaving NATO before, but honestly - now they should be booted out (and allowed back in once Trump is gone).

Every Euro country can then develop their own army, or form a unified army to defend themselves.

Of course, the U.S. would have a problem with that too because now they become a "threat" because of their economic and military power like China did.

The other option is to cozy up to Russia and with a China and Middle Eastern alliance. Then the U.S. would really be mad and would be telling everyone to denuclearize (but keep the largest stockpile of nukes themselves).
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Then please tell me why the US is even involved with NATO?

Surely there must be a reason..
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
Then please tell me why the US is even involved with NATO?

Surely there must be a reason..
Globalists and deep state politicians like Obama and bush. It’s a way to give us tax money to poor foreign countries. Global economy.
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Originally Posted By FatalTragedy12⏩
They get "billions and billions" of military bases across Europe in strategic locations. I didn't support the U.S. leaving NATO before, but honestly - now they should be booted out (and allowed back in once Trump is gone).

Every Euro country can then develop their own army, or form a unified army to defend themselves.

Of course, the U.S. would have a problem with that too because now they become a "threat" because of their economic and military power like China did.

The other option is to cozy up to Russia and with a China and Middle Eastern alliance. Then the U.S. would really be mad and would be telling everyone to denuclearize (but keep the largest stockpile of nukes themselves).
Lol. The euro countries would be PHUCKED with any sort of invasion. They can’t protect chit. Germany doesn’t even have an operational Air Force because they can’t afford one. England runs out of bombs in 1 day in Syria and shuts down operations.
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
Lol. The euro countries would be PHUCKED with any sort of invasion. They can’t protect chit. Germany doesn’t even have an operational Air Force because they can’t afford one. England runs out of bombs in 1 day in Syria and shuts down operations.
Germany is the largest EU economy, the EU is the strongest economy in the world by purchasing power (second to China). They can afford, and do have an air force.

They weren't allowed an airforce after WW1. The Luftwaffe had to be developed in secret, and they still kicked half the world's ass. After WW2, they once again had an air parts embargo.

Germany's army is lacking mainly because of world trust issues.
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Originally Posted By benz5521⏩
Lol. The euro countries would be PHUCKED with any sort of invasion. They can’t protect chit. Germany doesn’t even have an operational Air Force because they can’t afford one. England runs out of bombs in 1 day in Syria and shuts down operations.
On top of this, if any portion of German land ever came under threat from a foreign army, its savage migrant population would go bonkers and opportunistically destroy Germany from the inside.
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