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Thread: Judge orders WH to temporarily reinstate Acosta's pass

post 1566400971 11-16-2018, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted By chivasregal⏩
The Orangeman doesn’t like hard questions.

Keep it up, Jim. It’s your (our) job to keep our president in check. That should be the case for all presidents. Presidents shouldn’t be able to openly lie without being called out for it. Thanks, Jim Acosta.

Our president is not a facts kind of guy, he’s been more of an emotions kind of guy.

Facts.
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Originally Posted By tk217⏩
You have to notify them; let them respond. It is a court proceeding at that point.

Acosta may well lose his press pass depending on the response given. You need a reason though a good one - not "my feelings" to kick someone out once you let them in. Generally "danger to the president/family" is the idea.
So pretty much any type of behavior is allowed as long as it isn't an obvious physical threat to the president?

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Originally Posted By icetrauma⏩
If they really wanted to piss the press off, have Trump answer Acosta's questions, let the back and forth go on for 10-15 minutes. Trump then ends the Q&A session stating Acosta took up everyone else's time. Let them police their own.
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Why doesnt Trump write a process for revoking press passes.

Rules

1. Being Jim acosta
2 being a little bitch(like Jim acosta)


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[QUOTE How can you not grasp that; Giving something to someone and then removing it is not the same as saying everyone is allowed to have it.

No-one has at any point in this decision said Acosta has a constitutional right to be given access to the WH, it states that when he is given access as a member of the press then that access cannot then be revoked without any reason given and due process must be followed.

It's staggering that people have trouble with what appears to be very basic logic and reasoning...[/QUOTE]

i ask this more out of curiosity but does due process as you mention it work for everyone that way or just the press? if i am offered a job then the offer is revoked without giving me a reason is that a violation of my rights to due process? also if they gave a reason simply as he was being to disruptive would that get rid of the violation since they gave a reason? and for the incels out there if a woman gives you her affections then withdraws the affection without giving a reason is that a violation?
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
the 1st amendment was NOT a part of this ruling. The judge specifically said he is not ruling on the 1st amendment portion of the case, only procedure. And since there is no procedure in place, he says the WH needs to come up with one.

From Judge Kelly in his ruling..."I have not determined the First Amendment was violated here."
Due Process doesn't take place in a vacuum. The cases related to Due Process violations are usually connected to something else. The Judge ruled against the WH under the rationale that not reinstating Acosta's press pass might lead to harms as it relates to the First Amendment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...e-white-house/

Trump-appointed judge: Get CNN’s Jim Acosta back in the White House

By Erik Wemple

In a Friday morning court session, Judge Timothy Kelly of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia lent his thinking to the matter, which resulted in the granting of CNN’s request for the TRO — meaning that Acosta’s press pass will be reinstated, though just “temporarily,” according to a statement from Sanders. In his discussion of the TRO request,Kelly considered the likelihood that CNN would prevail in its arguments that the hard-pass revocation violated due-process considerations. Likely, Kelly ruled.Wednesday’s oral arguments and the judge’s explanation centered on the 1977 case Sherrill v. Knight, in which a “court found that denial of White House credentials was a sufficiently grave infringement on thefreedom of the pressthat it couldn’t just be done by fiat.” In his own summation, Kelly said that Sherrill stands for the proposition that the “Fifth Amendment’s due process clause protects a reporter’sFirst Amendment liberty interestin a White House press pass.”

As Kelly plowed through the particulars, he also considered whether the revocation constituted “irreparable harm.” In this context, he addressed the idea that other reporters could well do what Acosta does:

"Here, the procedures and process violation at issue, that has led to the deprivation of what [Sherrill v. Knight] requires me to recognize as a liberty interest … that’s grounded in theFirst Amendment guarantee of freedom of the press. Moreover, theFirst Amendment interestsas recognized in Sherrill were not vested merely in publications or agencies; they were liberties of the individual journalists themselves. For that reason, that CNN may still send another journalist or other journalists to the White House does not make the harm to Mr. Acosta any less irreparable. … It’s a harm that cannot be remedied in retrospect. … So on this highly, highly unusual set of facts and interests at stake, I do find that the plaintiffs have met their burden of establishing that irreparable harm has and will continue to occur in the absence of [remedy]."

As he finished his presentation, Kelly emphasized what he hadn’t decided — namely, whether there was a content-based First Amendment issue at hand: “I have not determined that the First Amendment was violated here. I have not determined what legal standard would apply to the First Amendment claim here.” A statement from Sanders seized on this omission: “Today, the court made clear that there is no absolute First Amendment right to access the White House. In response to the court, we will temporarily reinstate the reporter’s hard pass. We will also further develop rules and processes to ensure fair and orderly press conferences in the future. There must be decorum at the White House.” Even so, Acosta will be haunting the White House grounds very shortly.
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Originally Posted By Darkhare⏩
Why doesnt Trump write a process for revoking press passes.

Rules

1. Being Jim acosta
2 being a little bitch(like Jim acosta)


Done
And retroactive to whatever the date was of Jimmy's little outburst.
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Originally Posted By Reflexez⏩
Or it re-confirms that even the POTUS isn't bigger than the constitution.

People keep banging on about how "everyone" has the right to be there if Acosta is, it was never about Acosta's initial right to be allowed access it was about the removal of said access. Imagine if press were asking Bill Clinton about Monica Lewinsky:

- Mr. President are you lying about what happened?
- Next question.
- But Mr. President, the people have a right to know your version.
- Sit down, I'm not talking to you.
- But Sir...
- I said next, you're an awful person.
*Press pass revoked for making a scene, Misc cheers about how the guy should stfu*
Next press meeting:
- Mr. President can I ask you about Monic...
- Next question!
- Sir please...
*Press pass revoked*
etc.

The above is a long winded way of saying that when someone is granted a press pass the judge believes that it can't just be revoked at Trumps whim without any due process, reasoning as to why and with harm caused to the press, because to do so is suppressing freedom of the press as you could go down the road of just revoking every pass from people you dislike until you get someone who won't challenge you (clearly this isn't what Trump would do, but the checks are in place to stop that slippery slope from even starting).
The flaw here is that the President doesn't have to even hold press conferences, nor address the media. I said it in other threads, but they do so as a courtesy.
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Originally Posted By deepfat⏩
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Originally Posted By chalup⏩
This. What if trump never calls on him? lol
Trump should call on nobody BUT Jim Acosta. Just Jim, over and over and over and over and over again. Then when Jim is done with his questions, end the press conference.
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Originally Posted By TaeBoNinja⏩
It's a joke argument. Acosta's 1st amendment rights aren't being affected at all. He's able to speak all he wants on CNN, but his conduct got him booted from the WH.

People should be worried by the power of the press these days. Both left & right. They can willfully lie, defame, and propagandize to the public without any kind of check. Biggest reason why this country is so divided is 90% due to the MSM.
The anecdote to the bad behavior you reference and the division in our society is not to ban reporters or people with whom you disagree. The anecdote is logic, persuasion, and a commitment to our fundamental values and principles. We have all the tools at our disposal to resolve our differences. We just need to use them.

And the division is not made any better with Trump's blatant demagoguery. Trump's pattern of saying mean-spirited, bigoted, prejudiced, hateful, racist kinds of things isn't really helping things. And the media has every right to call Trump out on this.
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Itt libs are ok with reporters who karate chop women.

Acosta is a woman beater and should be jailed and stripped of his job as a reporter.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Yeah but then if they decided to not let him in from the very outset you'd all be yelling and screaming about it anyway, citing that case that beowulf-cel keeps bringing up where a press ******* was denied credentials from the outset.
Originally Posted By Darkhare⏩
Why doesnt Trump write a process for revoking press passes.

Rules

1. Being Jim acosta
2 being a little bitch(like Jim acosta)


Done
-- Trumpy Bear Acosta asking an appropriate and polite question stripped free of any fake news bias and according to Trump’s new rules of decorum --

Acosta: Thank you God-Emperor. It is my humble honor to hold the sacred MAGA microphone. Before I ask my question please allow me the indulgence to praise your even-handed characterization of the vile filth streaming across our southern border. That these vermin have not been executed on sight is a testament to your kind and generous spirit.

Also, I would like to add that your magnificent handling of the GOP’s message to voters before the mid-terms was perhaps the best example of political genius in the history of the world, perhaps even the universe. Your courageous example inspired millions ofrealAmericans and turned the much rumored blue wave into a tiny trickle, a trickle of tears seeping out the hateful and bitter eyes of our nation’s only real problem, the remaining population of *******s and libcucks and other assorted trash which you are forced to contend with daily. With that being said...

Here is my question:

Why are you so awesome?

Oh, and a follow-up question:

What did we do to deserve your heroic leadership?
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
Trump should call on nobody BUT Jim Acosta. Just Jim, over and over and over and over and over again. Then when Jim is done with his questions, end the press conference.
Actually this would be lulzy.
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Originally Posted By EternaLovE⏩
Well stated.
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Lyin' Don owned by the courts again. Ho hum.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
Itt libs are ok with reporters who karate chop women.

Acosta is a woman beater and should be jailed and stripped of his job as a reporter.
It's very simple. Follow the rules or you can't play. The First Amendment is one of those rules.
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Originally Posted By Dan_S⏩
The flaw here is that the President doesn't have to even hold press conferences, nor address the media. I said it in other threads, but they do so as a courtesy.
The President has an informal obligation, as a representative of the citizens of the United States, to inform Americans what THEIR government is doing.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
It's very simple. Follow the rules or you can't play.
Exactly! So glad you've finally rubbed those two brain cells together and understand this.



Acosta got his two questions answered and like all other reporters, was done after that and had to hand the mic to his colleagues so they could ask the potus questions. If he is unable to do that or to be quiet so they can ask their questions then he should be removed from the room so we the people can hear answers to questions from many different reporters from our potus/WH.
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Originally Posted By iifymbro⏩
Exactly! So glad you've finally rubbed those two brain cells together and understand this.



Acosta got his two questions answered and like all other reporters, was done after that and had to hand the mic to his colleagues so they could ask the potus questions. If he is unable to do that or to be quiet so they can ask their questions then he should be removed from the room so we the people can hear answers to questions from many different reporters from our potus/WH.
Sounded more like he was answering Trump's questions. Maybe Trump shouldn't ask questions, eh?
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
It's very simple. Follow the rules or you can't play. The First Amendment is one of those rules.
We have a vastly different understanding of the first amendment.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
The President has an informal obligation, as a representative of the citizens of the United States, to inform Americans what THEIR government is doing.
Look, Trump is a first amendment fan. He wants freedom of the press.

All he is saying, as he did in the video above....is reeporters should have a sense of decorum while in the white house. You don't have to like the POTUS but you do have to respect the position. I would say that whether the POTUS was left, right, up, or down. Respect the position. Don't act like a whiny little child (Acosta) who makes everything about yourself.

That is not asking a lot.

IF you can't see that than you are just being a biased homer.
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Look, Trump is a first amendment fan. He wants freedom of the press.

All he is saying, as he did in the video above....is a sense of decorum while in the white house. You don't have to like the POTUS but you do have to respect the position. I would say that whether the POTUS was left, right, up, or down. Respect the position. Don't act like a whiny little child (Acosta) who makes everything about yourself.

That is not asking a lot.

IF you can't see that than you are just being a biased homer.
Yes, it was quite comical to listen to Trump talk about respect and decorum in the White House, lmao.
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Originally Posted By acrawlingchaos⏩
We have a vastly different understanding of the first amendment.
You don't have to take my word for it. Listen to the judge. Read the summaries of the law. Read the Sherrill case. The kind of stuff I'm writing about is normal, mundane, run-of-the-mill legal stuff. The law is for everyone and there are lots of places where you can learn about this stuff that don't require a 3 years and a law degree.

The bottom line is a lot of Trump supporters simply don't care about the Constitution because many of them are Authoritarian-minded themselves. They think the Constitution is an obstacle. They think the President should be able to do and say anything he wants, without any repercussions, without anyone out anyone calling him out on his sh*t.

And, I got news for you guys. That ain't how it works. Kudos to you all for winning the 2016 election, and you have every right to pursue the policies you favor, but you don't get to break the Republic in the process.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
The bottom line is a lot of Trump supporters simply don't care about the Constitution because many of them are Authoritarian-minded themselves. They think the Constitution is an obstacle.
Bruh..... Trump supporters are cheering on appointments to the supreme court who are constitutionalists. I've only blocked one person on the misc but you're real close to being #2 cause this chit is just straight ridiculous
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
You don't have to take my word for it. Listen to the judge. Read the summaries of the law. Read the Sherrill case. The kind of stuff I'm writing about is normal, mundane, run-of-the-mill legal stuff. The law is for everyone and there are lots of places where you can learn about this stuff that don't require a 3 years and a law degree.

The bottom line is a lot of Trump supporters simply don't care about the Constitution because many of them are Authoritarian-minded themselves. They think the Constitution is an obstacle. They think the President should be able to do and say anything he wants, without any repercussions, without anyone out anyone calling him out on his sh*t.

And, I got news for you guys. That ain't how it works. Kudos to you all for winning the 2016 election, and you have every right to pursue the policies you favor, but you don't get to break the Republic in the process.
No, the bottom line is he assaulted an intern

If a fox reporter put his hands on an obama intern like that, the REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEs would be heard all the way in china

you know it, I know it, everyone knows it
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Originally Posted By OptimistPrime11⏩
Look, Trump is a first amendment fan. He wants freedom of the press.
Sorry, man, but that just wasn't their argument in court. Their argument in court, which they lost by the way, took a pretty hostile stance against the First Amendment, and the Freedom of the Press.
All he is saying, as he did in the video above....is reeporters should have a sense of decorum while in the white house. You don't have to like the POTUS but you do have to respect the position. I would say that whether the POTUS was left, right, up, or down. Respect the position. Don't act like a whiny little child (Acosta) who makes everything about yourself.

That is not asking a lot.

IF you can't see that than you are just being a biased homer.
Let me translate this for non-Trump supporters: Sit down. Stfu. Ask the questions Trump likes. Don't make Trump look like a racist demagogue.
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