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11-08-2018, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By JewishSuperHero⏩
No, it's fact.is this........ satire?
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Not really. It's merely a shift in mentality, toward an understanding that sometimes we, and only we, are responsible for our own survival. That lesson was learned on 9/11, it was learned in 20 years ago in Columbine, and in every mass attack since. Empowering kids to understand that if they become passive participants, and hide under a desk, they'll probably die (as in Columbine), whereas if they can't run, and can't hide, but they can end the fight, they have a greater chance or survival in a crowded setting. Sure, one or two may die, but that's less than if a classroom of kids merely hides under a desk.No, a few people have recommended it in the past.
On dark days, like yesterday, I often consider the idea as well. We would have to teach children to ignore fear, which would make us very North Korean, in my opinion. We'd also have to get parents to buy into their kid would be sacrificed at any given moment (and taught this by the school system).
Assuming all of that happens, it could work. But again, we'd have to become a more cult like society to train kids at that age that their lives don't matter (in the short term) in order to preserve the lives of others (life matters in the long term).
On dark days, like yesterday, I often consider the idea as well. We would have to teach children to ignore fear, which would make us very North Korean, in my opinion. We'd also have to get parents to buy into their kid would be sacrificed at any given moment (and taught this by the school system).
Assuming all of that happens, it could work. But again, we'd have to become a more cult like society to train kids at that age that their lives don't matter (in the short term) in order to preserve the lives of others (life matters in the long term).
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I asked my friend some questions on gun reform and what he would propose. This what he came up with.
Weapon sales freeze until comprehensive background checks implemented, one year probationary license where weapons are solely handled under direct supervision from an appointed officer until after so many hours released to home possession, finger ID on all new weapons allowing only owners to use, GPS installed onto every firearm registered with local law enforcement (old and new - automatic police alert when carried within 200 yards of a school zone), zero tolerance/weapon ban for mental health disorders and those convicted of a felony or any domestic assault, zero tolerance/total ban on weapon modification allowing faster rate of fire, zero online gun or ammunition sales, caps on ammunition sales.
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Weapon sales freeze until comprehensive background checks implemented, one year probationary license where weapons are solely handled under direct supervision from an appointed officer until after so many hours released to home possession, finger ID on all new weapons allowing only owners to use, GPS installed onto every firearm registered with local law enforcement (old and new - automatic police alert when carried within 200 yards of a school zone), zero tolerance/weapon ban for mental health disorders and those convicted of a felony or any domestic assault, zero tolerance/total ban on weapon modification allowing faster rate of fire, zero online gun or ammunition sales, caps on ammunition sales.
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11-08-2018, 04:43 PM
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Considering this mass shooting happened in Thousand Oaks ( ranked one of the safest cities in America ), it's impossible to get a conceal carry in that part of Cali so stricter gun laws wouldnt have prevented anything.
Get rid all guns? Good luck with that, never gonna happen.
Gun control needs to be tacked in a different way ( not sure how ) and mental health needs to be taken very seriously. Wouldn't hurt to have armed security ( not some 12/hr plebs ) and metal detectors at all venues either.
Get rid all guns? Good luck with that, never gonna happen.
Gun control needs to be tacked in a different way ( not sure how ) and mental health needs to be taken very seriously. Wouldn't hurt to have armed security ( not some 12/hr plebs ) and metal detectors at all venues either.
11-08-2018, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Mass murderers are usually both mentally ill and aware enough of their actions as to be legally responsible for them."Mental illness" is an excuse people use to get out of responsibility. It's a way for people to say "Well I am not a crappy person, I'm just mentally ill. I can't help it!" These shooters know full well what they're doing. If they didn't, they wouldn't go through such great lengths to hide it.
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11-08-2018, 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
So that's why he's having a rep system commenting with me instead of posting in the forums. LOL."This is Mimsey, I can't answer your question right now because the R&P legend Silliebazzillie banned my stupid ass. Please leave a message and I'll answer your question in a year, that is if I can still see the keyboard past my fat phuking gut."
Originally Posted By Noliberals4⏩
Well, mentally ill people show cognitive ability in the fact that they almost always kill themselves after committing their atrocities."Mental illness" is an excuse people use to get out of responsibility. It's a way for people to say "Well I am not a crappy person, I'm just mentally ill. I can't help it!" These shooters know full well what they're doing. If they didn't, they wouldn't go through such great lengths to hide it.
11-08-2018, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
What's Mimsy's new account name?lmfao of course the idiot Mimsey is ITT.
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11-09-2018, 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted By AriGhold⏩
Pretty much, it's gonna happen again.Nothing can be done to prevent these tragedies.
11-09-2018, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted By RSM3⏩
Yep. Cancer kills a lot of people but let's not try to find ways to make it kill less.There's no way this mass shooting could have been prevented.
Thank god the NRA doesn't have their bloody hooks into healthcare.
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11-09-2018, 02:43 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Not a single NRA member has committed a mass shooting. Try again.Yep. Cancer kills a lot of people but let's not try to find ways to make it kill less.
Thank god the NRA doesn't have their bloody hooks into healthcare.
Thank god the NRA doesn't have their bloody hooks into healthcare.
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11-09-2018, 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
Was this latest dude an NRA member? Even if not, the NRA's bought and paid for politicians won't even let reasonable mental health restrictions be placed on gunz. So yea, they've got a ton of blood on their hands.Not a single NRA member has committed a mass shooting. Try again.
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11-09-2018, 02:56 AM
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Yeah, no. Not a single NRA member has committed mass murder, nor do they have any effect on the mentally ill who do commit atrocities with weapons.Was this latest dude an NRA member? Even if not, the NRA's bought and paid for politicians won't even let reasonable mental health restrictions be placed on gunz. So yea, they've got a ton of blood on their hands.
Try again, Pops.
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11-09-2018, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
The NRA doesn't actively lobby against gun restrictions for the mental health issues?Yeah, no. Not a single NRA member has committed mass murder, nor do they have any effect on the mentally ill who do commit atrocities with weapons.
Try again, Pops.
Try again, Pops.
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11-09-2018, 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
[State] prohibits any person from furnishing a firearm to a minor without the consent of a parent, guardian, or other person responsible for general supervision of the minor’s welfare.1 A violation is a Class B felony if the firearm is a handgun or other specified firearm.2Which state is this in?
In addition, the state prohibits any person transferring or furnishing a handgun or firearm to another individual who the transferor knows has been found guilty of, or who has pleaded guilty or no contest to, a felony.3
[State] prohibits a person from selling, renting, or otherwise transferring a firearm to any person who he or she knows is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing the firearm.4 A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the firearm is a handgun (or other specified firearm, such as a machine gun), in which case the violation rises to a Class B felony.5
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Originally Posted By thedarrenestes⏩
Thanks. As I suspected, what you said, "If i privately sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check, I am liable for prosecution" is not correct.[State] prohibits any person from furnishing a firearm to a minor without the consent of a parent, guardian, or other person responsible for general supervision of the minor’s welfare.1 A violation is a Class B felony if the firearm is a handgun or other specified firearm.2
In addition, the state prohibits any person transferring or furnishing a handgun or firearm to another individual who the transferor knows has been found guilty of, or who has pleaded guilty or no contest to, a felony.3
[State] prohibits a person from selling, renting, or otherwise transferring a firearm to any person who he or she knows is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing the firearm.4 A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the firearm is a handgun (or other specified firearm, such as a machine gun), in which case the violation rises to a Class B felony.5
In addition, the state prohibits any person transferring or furnishing a handgun or firearm to another individual who the transferor knows has been found guilty of, or who has pleaded guilty or no contest to, a felony.3
[State] prohibits a person from selling, renting, or otherwise transferring a firearm to any person who he or she knows is prohibited by state or federal law from possessing the firearm.4 A violation of this section is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the firearm is a handgun (or other specified firearm, such as a machine gun), in which case the violation rises to a Class B felony.5
You need to place the word "knowingly" in there; that is, "If I knowingly sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check." Huge difference, so a private sale would go down like this:
"How much, bro?"
"Three fiddy."
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"Hang on... are you legally allowed to own a firearm?"
"Yes."
"Ok, done."
I mean, you're not even required to ask, let alone required to have the buyer first pass a NICS, so as long as you know nothing about the buyer, you'll never face prosecution.
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11-09-2018, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
You are correct and I'll concede that "knowingly" is stated in the excerpt i quickly googled. Also stated that I did not include:Thanks. As I suspected, what you said, "If i privately sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check, I am liable for prosecution" is not correct.
You need to place the word "knowingly" in there; that is, "If I knowingly sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check." Huge difference, so a private sale would go down like this:
"How much, bro?"
"Three fiddy."
"K, done."
"Hang on... are you legally allowed to own a firearm?"
"Yes."
"Ok, done."
I mean, you're not even required to ask, let alone required to have the buyer first pass a NICS, so as long as you know nothing about the buyer, you'll never face prosecution.
You need to place the word "knowingly" in there; that is, "If I knowingly sell a gun to someone who would not pass a background check." Huge difference, so a private sale would go down like this:
"How much, bro?"
"Three fiddy."
"K, done."
"Hang on... are you legally allowed to own a firearm?"
"Yes."
"Ok, done."
I mean, you're not even required to ask, let alone required to have the buyer first pass a NICS, so as long as you know nothing about the buyer, you'll never face prosecution.
Keep in mind that even with private sales, all local, state, and federal firearms laws apply
I legitimately have no idea or motivation to research all local, state, and federal statutes on private gun sales.I would however fully expect that if a gun, I sold, was used in a violent crime by someone who was a felon, convicted of domestic violence, or mentally unfit, I'd undoubtedly be prosecuted.
Whether or not i was able to prove myself innocent is irrelevant.
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11-09-2018, 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted By LukeLissen⏩
I’ll say one thing to you specifically as I haven’t read anything in this thread past page 1. I’m not overly emotional, that’s likely your projection. I literally cannot be and do what I do every day 70+ hours a week. YOU have the choice in how you can post in this thread, no one forced you to post in an inconsiderate way. You could have shown empathy and sympathy for those involved and saved the rhetoric for a different thread.I'm not validating anything. I'm stating facts about this forum.
If you come to this forum expecting prettiness from everyone and then whine angrily when a cynical politically-based comment offends you on a rough-and-tumble politically-based forum, then you've come to the wrong place and the whining is just whining and you're the problem and no one else. That is the nature of this forum and you're either in the wrong place, or you need to adjust your views of this forum and realize what this forum is. This isn't a current events discussion forum. That's the Misc. This is a Religion and Politics forum specifically. If a thread about a breaking current event happens here, then you better expect religious and/or political comments right away.
You will find empathy if you come asking for it here, yes. However if you expect all comments here to never be derogatory, disgusting, offending, or similar then again - you don't understand this forum. This is the WWE of political discussion forums.
I don't think there is a problem. I like the forum. We can come here and let it all out and say how we feel.
If someone gets overly emotional and their panties in a wad over politically sarcastic/cynical comments in a thread here in the R&P then they're the problem, no one else - because that is simply the very nature of this forum.
and stop white knighting. It's unbecoming, especially in this forum.
ETA: and as I read further into the thread just now you can see that pretty much the entire thread is political with many comments right alongside the nature of mine with people on both sides of the argument being cynical/sarcastic.
If you come to this forum expecting prettiness from everyone and then whine angrily when a cynical politically-based comment offends you on a rough-and-tumble politically-based forum, then you've come to the wrong place and the whining is just whining and you're the problem and no one else. That is the nature of this forum and you're either in the wrong place, or you need to adjust your views of this forum and realize what this forum is. This isn't a current events discussion forum. That's the Misc. This is a Religion and Politics forum specifically. If a thread about a breaking current event happens here, then you better expect religious and/or political comments right away.
You will find empathy if you come asking for it here, yes. However if you expect all comments here to never be derogatory, disgusting, offending, or similar then again - you don't understand this forum. This is the WWE of political discussion forums.
I don't think there is a problem. I like the forum. We can come here and let it all out and say how we feel.
If someone gets overly emotional and their panties in a wad over politically sarcastic/cynical comments in a thread here in the R&P then they're the problem, no one else - because that is simply the very nature of this forum.
and stop white knighting. It's unbecoming, especially in this forum.
ETA: and as I read further into the thread just now you can see that pretty much the entire thread is political with many comments right alongside the nature of mine with people on both sides of the argument being cynical/sarcastic.
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11-09-2018, 05:48 AM
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Check out the NRAs tweet to a physician group saying that gun violence shouid be a public health issue. Called the physicians "self important" phuking NRA scumbags. Maybe the self important docs won't be around when they need them. Worthless, amoral evil scum.
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the only logical thing would be to take a test to get a gun license, we do it for cars, and we do it in the military. if you don't pass BRM you don't get into the military. I mean it is to shoot but this would probably be the most logical step towards "gun control". Anything else would be retarded.
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Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
I think you're referring to Planned Parenthood. You know, the organization that actually does kill hundreds of thousands every year, unlike the NRA.Check out the NRAs tweet to a physician group saying that gun violence shouid be a public health issue. Called the physicians "self important" phuking NRA scumbags. Maybe the self important docs won't be around when they need them. Worthless, amoral evil scum.
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11-09-2018, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted By fitnessislife⏩
I don't recall PP ever referring to physicians as "self important" and then continue to peddle their instruments of death to tens of thousands of sheep.I think you're referring to Planned Parenthood. You know, the organization that actually does kill hundreds of thousands every year, unlike the NRA.
PP helps women make decisions about their own bodies.
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11-09-2018, 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted By philpeter123⏩
Great first step. Next logical step is to register the gunz just like a car, boat, etc.the only logical thing would be to take a test to get a gun license, we do it for cars, and we do it in the military. if you don't pass BRM you don't get into the military. I mean it is to shoot but this would probably be the most logical step towards "gun control". Anything else would be retarded.
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Originally Posted By philpeter123⏩
the only logical thing would be to take a test to get a gun license, we do it for cars, and we do it in the military. if you don't pass BRM you don't get into the military. I mean it is to shoot but this would probably be the most logical step towards "gun control". Anything else would be retarded.
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
FFS the shooter was ex military so by your logic, of passing BRM, he was a poster child of gun ownershipGreat first step. Next logical step is to register the gunz just like a car, boat, etc.
There are only so many times this can proven useless...
No mass shooting would have been prevented by having a test and registration process in place
If the issue was people "accidentally' taking lives with firearms, then yea having a test and license to prove you are proficient would make sense (see Conceal Carry permits)
I get that I'm not changing anyone's stance, and I can't imagine a scenario where any of you change mine either so all I'm doing is fukkin up my sweet ass post/rep ratio...
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Originally Posted By thedarrenestes⏩
In that case, there's an easy way to take care of that and protect gun owners making sales: make all private sales required to be done through a FFL, where a form 4473 needs to be filed.I would however fully expect that if a gun, I sold, was used in a violent crime by someone who was a felon, convicted of domestic violence, or mentally unfit, I'd undoubtedly be prosecuted.
Whether or not i was able to prove myself innocent is irrelevant.
Whether or not i was able to prove myself innocent is irrelevant.
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11-09-2018, 10:36 AM
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#206
Originally Posted By SillieBazzillie⏩
Do you not see the bigger picture when it comesdown to a national weapons registry database?Great first step. Next logical step is to register the gunz just like a car, boat, etc.
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
pretty sure a nics background check/4473 is already mandatory in the majority of states if not all of themIn that case, there's an easy way to take care of that and protect gun owners making sales: make all private sales required to be done through a FFL, where a form 4473 needs to be filed.
11-09-2018, 10:47 AM
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#207
I sold a car once. In order for the transaction to take place, the buyer needed to prove:
1- They weren't an escaped convict, and in fact had never been convicted of a felony.
2-They had a violation free D/L
3-They had insurance to the amount which met my approval, and were taking the vehicle straight to the BMV to register it into their name.
4-They were aware of all traffic safety laws/rules.
5-They were informed on vehicle maintenance.
6-They had never committed domestic battery.
7-They were 21
8-They signed a statement saying they've never/would never drink/text/drive, or exceeded the speed limit, nor drove in any unsafe manner.
I do these things to be certain the purchaser would never hurt another person intentionally with said vehicle.
My list for box trucks is much larger.
1- They weren't an escaped convict, and in fact had never been convicted of a felony.
2-They had a violation free D/L
3-They had insurance to the amount which met my approval, and were taking the vehicle straight to the BMV to register it into their name.
4-They were aware of all traffic safety laws/rules.
5-They were informed on vehicle maintenance.
6-They had never committed domestic battery.
7-They were 21
8-They signed a statement saying they've never/would never drink/text/drive, or exceeded the speed limit, nor drove in any unsafe manner.
I do these things to be certain the purchaser would never hurt another person intentionally with said vehicle.
My list for box trucks is much larger.
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11-09-2018, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted By mikebadg3⏩
Not for private sales. In most states (like all but 6) do not require a background check to sell a firearm privately.pretty sure a nics background check/4473 is already mandatory in the majority of states if not all of them
Deepfat: "I guarantee I beat you by at least 6 strokes. Afterwards, I'll slide my thick conservative cawk in your old lady just to finish the job."
z4: "So when are you available in September to play?"
Deep: "On second thought, I don't play golf with broads. You're such a scumbag that I'd be much more inclined to just slap the chit out of you."
z4: "MMA match works, too. So when are you available this month?
Deep: "I won't subject myself to being in the presence of a scumbag."
11-09-2018, 10:53 AM
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demanding, ill-disciplined, despotic and useless. Liberalism is a philosophy of sniveling brats."
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11-09-2018, 01:13 PM
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#210
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
30 states do not require a background check in a private firearm purchase.Not for private sales. In most states (like all but 6) do not require a background check to sell a firearm privately.
https://consumer.findlaw.com/consume...-by-state.html
California is one of those that require one for private transfers.
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