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post 1540539641 01-13-2018, 07:53 PM
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I haven't read any of the posts here, but just for the context, I thought I should add the following.

Based on my personal observation, those who are genuinely atheists, have thought more about God and religion than those who are religious.

Today's atheists, and I'm talking about people over the age of 30, had to swim against the stream, to cognitively reach their positions. That alone should be rewarded and appreciated. Most religious people, like dead fish, go with the flow and don't question fundamental questions that may deeply shake their baseless convictions.

So, I, personally, believe that it is more likely for an atheist to be a critical thinker than for a religious person.

That being said, nowadays, tables are turning. It's easier, more fashionable, and trendy to be against religion, specially organized religions, and God. So, unlike a few decades ago, it doesn't take much cognitive struggle to fit in with others if one holds atheistic views. Young adults, who are atheists, nowadays, are probably just as uncritical about their beliefs as their religious counterparts.

In a few decades, the direction of the flow will be completely towards atheism. Consequently, it'll be much harder, it'll take much cognitive work, to convince oneself to believe in God and a religion. In a few decades, it's more likely for a religious person to be more of a critical thinker than an atheist. The latter will be the dead fish going with the flow.
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I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist
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Originally Posted By Jh1479⏩
Its more than unlikely though, its fundamentally unsolvable, which is why you need to default to something divine. (non religious BTW).
It's a big claim that it's impossible for reality to either be infinitely old or arisen from nothing. We simply don't know enough to make that statement. Prove it and claim your Nobel in physics and universal acclaim from every church, mosque and synagogue in the world while you are at it.

Further, if it's impossible, what's the solution? Some kind of prime mover? How long has the prime mover been around, infinitely or did they arise from nothing? You simply move the problem back one step.

Lastly, what is the prime mover, why does it have to be omnipotent or concerned with human morality? Maybe it's only magical powers are existing forever and creating universes.

Your argument fails on a) making a claim which is not demonstrated, b) it's not a solution to the problem and c) prime mover =/= god except in the vaguest possible sense, it says nothing about "god's" relevance to humanity.
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Originally Posted By Jh1479⏩
So before there was something there was nothing and that something came into existence spontaneously all by itself for no reason?
The answer is we don't know how it came into existence.

However we do ask the questions instead of finding a way to break all the rules and do make up an invisible entity that the rules don't apply to. Giant invisible space unicorns poop out planets and create matter. They always existed though so Checkmate atheists.

Some how you have managed to convince yourself that your religion is right and all others are wrong.
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Originally Posted By VinnyPazRules⏩
What if I told you they are all the same God?
So who are you that gets to say all other religions are wrong about their deities?
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist
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#4 on the list of stupid shiit theists say
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Originally Posted By tng83⏩
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#4 on the list of stupid shiit theists say
BRB gonna go create life with a big bang
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Originally Posted By Jh1479⏩
Either something came from nothing or something always existed, both don't make sense and theres no other possibilities.

So there has to be a God thats not subject to this contradiction.
Person A: NOTHING can have always existed and NOTHING can have come from nothing.

Person B: Well then by that logic, God, if even exists, cannot have come from nothing or have always existed. So God must have come from something. You are left with a "higher up" entity, let's call it God2, that created God. Then, similarly, we have a God3, and so on with no end. All we are left with is an infinite chain of gods, at best. To further complicate things, if each god creation act takes nonzero time, then overall reality must in some sense have existed forever, to allow the infinite creations, contradicting your statement about nothing always existing.

Person A: Well.....uh.....God either came from nothing or existed forever.

Person B: Nope. Not according to your first statement.


I hope you can see why the argument fails. And if you are allowing God to break the rules of not existing forever, not created from nothing....then I'll respond, may as well just let the universe break those rules then.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist
Cringe.
Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
BRB gonna go create life with a big bang
Atheism says nothing about the origins of life or the big bang. Also the Big Bang is not hypothesised to be the origin of life.
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Atheism says nothing about the origins of life or the big bang. Also the Big Bang is not hypothesised to be the origin of life.
BRB gonna go deny the creator
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
BRB gonna go deny the creator
Wow it was that easy to break your faith in god, seems like you weren't really that into it.
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There is no evidence for God's existence.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
BRB gonna go create life with a big bang
Sigh.......
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Originally Posted By TINOFGE⏩
There is no evidence for God's existence.
I am right here
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Wow, mind blown OP!

I now believe in Zeus.
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Originally Posted By TranceNRG⏩
I haven't read any of the posts here, but just for the context, I thought I should add the following.

Based on my personal observation, those who are genuinely atheists, have thought more about God and religion than those who are religious.

Today's atheists, and I'm talking about people over the age of 30, had to swim against the stream, to cognitively reach their positions. That alone should be rewarded and appreciated. Most religious people, like dead fish, go with the flow and don't question fundamental questions that may deeply shake their baseless convictions.

So, I, personally, believe that it is more likely for an atheist to be a critical thinker than for a religious person.

That being said, nowadays, tables are turning. It's easier, more fashionable, and trendy to be against religion, specially organized religions, and God. So, unlike a few decades ago, it doesn't take much cognitive struggle to fit in with others if one holds atheistic views. Young adults, who are atheists, nowadays, are probably just as uncritical about their beliefs as their religious counterparts.

In a few decades, the direction of the flow will be completely towards atheism. Consequently, it'll be much harder, it'll take much cognitive work, to convince oneself to believe in God and a religion. In a few decades, it's more likely for a religious person to be more of a critical thinker than an atheist. The latter will be the dead fish going with the flow.
I haven't put much thought at all into it. To me, atheism is the path of least reaistence. The default setting. It's the lack of belief, so unless you started your life being force-fed religious dogma, and many have, it's the easier side to gravitate towards.

Your analogy is suspect. I get that swimming against the stream means going against public opinion and peer pressure. It's misleading though because people like myself did go against public opinion, but it felt effortless. It felt like everyone else was putting in all the work having to justify the existence of a creator. So there are opposite forces that represent the stream's flow really, public opinion and effort.
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Originally Posted By Alchem⏩
They’re usually the type of people that say chit like “I ****ING LOVE SCIENCE!”

Like how can you even arrive at that position? the world and existence itself don’t even make sense, why is there even existence rather than non-existence? “OOO THERE WAS NOTHING, THEN THE WORLD JUST POPPED” “OOOO THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY INFINITE” even though infinite regress is obviously logically unsound.

Cmon I respect people that say “I don’t know”, these are the intelligent people. But Atheists are just rebellious morons that don’t like religion, so they go the opposite way. They’re emotional and not rational.
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I don't know if a God exists or not.

But I 100% know that if one does exist.. It isn't a good or benevolent being. It is without a doubt something evil.
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Originally Posted By Alchem⏩
They’re usually the type of people that say chit like “I ****ING LOVE SCIENCE!”

Like how can you even arrive at that position? the world and existence itself don’t even make sense, why is there even existence rather than non-existence? “OOO THERE WAS NOTHING, THEN THE WORLD JUST POPPED” “OOOO THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY INFINITE” even though infinite regress is obviously logically unsound.

Cmon I respect people that say “I don’t know”, these are the intelligent people. But Atheists are just rebellious morons that don’t like religion, so they go the opposite way. They’re emotional and not rational.
How arrogant do you have to be to say "out of the 100 different religions, MINE is the right one"?

Atheist are saying they are all wrong and religion is man made. Which view is more arrogant?
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Originally Posted By Alchem⏩
They’re usually the type of people that say chit like “I ****ING LOVE SCIENCE!”

Like how can you even arrive at that position? the world and existence itself don’t even make sense, why is there even existence rather than non-existence? “OOO THERE WAS NOTHING, THEN THE WORLD JUST POPPED” “OOOO THE WORLD IS ACTUALLY INFINITE” even though infinite regress is obviously logically unsound.

Cmon I respect people that say “I don’t know”, these are the intelligent people. But Atheists are just rebellious morons that don’t like religion, so they go the opposite way. They’re emotional and not rational.
lmao @ religious fuks like you who believe that religion rules the world, go to church on Sundays, yet forget about it the rest of the week. I don't have a problem with people who are religious...I have a problem with people likeYOUwho want to put their religion above everything else and want everybody else to do the same.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist
So basically you need to believe because you are worried if you don't your soul will be fuked?
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I am right here
That would only be evidence if there were no other alternate explanations.

To include other deities not included under your God.

You are almost as much an atheist as me. You simply disbelieve in one less god than I do.
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You simple do not believe because you don't understand the translation of language being used. I understand your lack of belief I wish I was better at explaining the miracles, but I simple can not explain the unexplainable experiences I have had.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
You simple do not believe because you don't understand the translation of language being used. I understand your lack of belief I wish I was better at explaining the miracles, but I simple can not explain the unexplainable experiences I have had.
What do you mean by "translation of language"?

It is not that I don't believe in miracles. I just choose not to attribute them to an invisible entity. Nor do I feel the need to attribute "anti-miracles" to an invisible entity.

I define miracles as low probability positive events of such magnitude that they impact direction of a persons life.

Quite simply if I believe in God Miracles I would also feel the need to blame him for the Anti's in which case he is a kunt. (Or not Omnipotent in which case he shouldn't get credit for miracles either. )
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Originally Posted By Austanian⏩
What do you mean by "translation of language"?

It is not that I don't believe in miracles. I just choose not to attribute them to an invisible entity. Nor do I feel the need to attribute "anti-miracles" to an invisible entity.

I define miracles as low probability positive events of such magnitude that they impact direction of a persons life.

Quite simply if I believe in God Miracles I would also feel the need to blame him for the Anti's in which case he is a kunt. (Or not Omnipotent in which case he shouldn't get credit for miracles either. )
i think people think we think God is some dude in heaven with a big white beard looking down on us, and if one was made to believe that I too would question that logic. The normal Christian considers my personal belief to be a bit blasphemous, if I was too pick one Religon that repesents me the best it would probably be some Buddhist like belief. Don't get me wrong I am also a follower of Jesus and his teachers, but most of the time the church says one thing and the teaching of Jesus says another.
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Originally Posted By cman1787⏩
sometimes i want to bang my head against a wall when atheist try to refute with the "but which god is the right one" argument
It's not an argument to refute god in and of itself, but you need to be able to define something before you even discuss its existence. Not to mention that believing in X when you can't even tell us what X is doesn't sound very well thought out, let's just put it that way. At least science has the good manners of defining things rigorously, that way they can be tested equally rigorously.
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Originally Posted By sy2502⏩
It's not an argument to refute god in and of itself, but you need to be able to define something before you even discuss its existence. Not to mention that believing in X when you can't even tell us what X is doesn't sound very well thought out, let's just put it that way. At least science has the good manners of defining things rigorously, that way they can be tested equally rigorously.
it is still best to be skeptical of a metanarrative of empiricism. science is just a word for a bunch of specialty areas of study who are generally looking for answers within their own field using their own tools. it is a buncha hammer n nail bros.
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Originally Posted By BlackJack619⏩
I don't have enough faith to be an Atheist
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
it is still best to be skeptical of a metanarrative of empiricism. science is just a word for a bunch of specialty areas of study who are generally looking for answers within their own field using their own tools. it is a buncha hammer n nail bros.
Science has its limits, but it's the reason why you and I can have this conversation online, know what I'm saying? Because somebody defined very precisely what electricity is and how it behaves, and someone else defined precisely what a transistor is and how it works, and someone else defined what an internet protocol is, etc etc. Had we stopped at "electricity is this thing we can't see, don't worry too much about it, take it on faith, don't get too empirical about it", we would still be lighting candles at night.
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Originally Posted By sy2502⏩
Science has its limits, but it's the reason why you and I can have this conversation online, know what I'm saying? Because somebody defined very precisely what electricity is and how it behaves, and someone else defined precisely what a transistor is and how it works, and someone else defined what an internet protocol is, etc etc. Had we stopped at "electricity is this thing we can't see, don't worry too much about it, take it on faith, don't get too empirical about it", we would still be lighting candles at night.
oh no doubt, no doubt. i just am always afraid of whats lost when we do away w mysticism. it was such a big part of our collective history. we definitely got that propensity for belief. like neils bohr "of course i don't believe in superstition but they say it works even if you do not believe in it."
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