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post 1566486651 11-17-2018, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted By NameOfPeace⏩
my talking point has been mainly focused on acosta but you keep making it about trump but then you say acosta is in trouble for asking difficult or critical questions, it has to do with his behavior not his words. alot of your solutions seem to promote further shunning and essentially bullying reporters but you say trump is very rude and and authoritarian because of his bullying. so your saying to solve the acosta problem trump shoud 1. allow acostas to do and say whatever he wants with impunity or 2. bully him in an authoritarian way, implying you want trump to further do the things your criticizing him for doing. think i might stop this convo and agree to disagree because it appears that you have put acosta on a pedestal as a man who stands for freedom and the people standing up against the evil and childish trump. what i see is a rude unprofessional president and a rude unprofessional press person doing roughly the same type of ****, except in your and a few other peoples eyes acosta is the hero who did no wrong and trump is the dictator who is fully to blame for everything
I have put the First Amendment on a pedestal.

The big point I am trying to make is that the First Amendment is more important than Acosta. The First Amendment is more important than Trump. The First Amendment is more important than etiquette. The White House isn't Buckingham Palace. So it's so important to me that I am personally willing to put with an ***hole of a President so long as he doesn't ban reporters, and I am willing to put up with a jerk reporter for this same reason as well. And I'm not suggesting any particular tactic. What I'm suggesting, in general, is that there are a wide variety of ways Trump can get his way, or at least some of what he wants, that don't involve pissing on the First Amendment. If you were to press me for the best solution, the solution I think which would be preferable, it would be holding more press conferences. And the thing here is, the reason why Trump isn't doing this is that he's doing things he's getting criticized for and he doesn't like getting criticized or questioned.

Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press is a fundamental, foundational, individual right. And respect for it overrides all other considerations in my view.
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
In my view the root of the problem is not Acosta. The root of the problem is that Trump doesn't want to have to deal with difficult questions from critics and tough reporters. That's why Hannity gets to go on stage with Trump, and why Acosta gets banned. Trump supporters cannot see this because they literally believe Acosta is an enemy of the people and has no right to interfere in Trump's agenda by asking critical questions (which is completely contrary to our founding principles and ideals).

And the reason why many press events resemble a free-for-all is because Trump rarely does them, and when he does it's usually a spur-of-the-moment, informal chaotic event. I tried to highlight this above, but I guess you don't think it's an important point.

With regard to the kinds of things that the Trump administration can do, if it actually cares about etiquette -- which I really don't think is the case as this criticism is coming from one of the rudest human beings to ever occupy the office -- there are a wide variety of tools the WH can use other than just banning people:

One of those things is to lead by example. So instead of being an absolute pr**k in every situation Trump could just behave politely. That's one. The behavior of a leader rubs off on others.

Another tactic would be polite reminders to Acosta, which can be done in public and in private.

Another tactic would be to badger, insult, and put down the reporter during press conferences, a form of public humiliation. This is actually Trump's favorite informal tactic and he uses it quite frequently. Trump loves to humiliate people. In fact, it's one of a bully's (Authoritarian's) favorite tool of manipulation. Obviously, it doesn't work on everyone. Some reporters, like Acosta, are tough and can stand up to authority figures when they do things like this.

Another tactic would be to use humor to highlight a rude reporter's poor behavior while also sparing the reporter from the same degree of shame that public humiliation would entail.

Another tactic would be to simply give up on this idea that Trump can do and say whatever the heck he wants without consequence and without regard to the First Amendment, to give up on this idea that President Trump should be allowed to be completely unaccountable to the press, and simply allow Acosta to ask the difficult questions Trump hates answering -- and this is never going to happen because the etiquette stuff is a red herring. And Trump supporters cannot understand this approach because they think Trump is a God-Emperor and everyone else should just shut up and listen. News flash guys: this isn't a dictatorship.


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But none of that really matters. This isn't really about Acosta. What this is about is Trump wanting people to stfu and do what he says. What this is about is Trump supporters hating the media and wanting everyone else to toe the line and listen to Trump, and never criticize Trump, and never be rude to Trump, and just stfu and do what he says, because he's the President and everyone else should just shut up. Unfortunately, that kind of attitude runs contrary to our traditional values and principles as a country. This is a free country and we all have the right to criticize the President.
Trump answered the questions that Acosta asked. He wasn't looking to answer questions, he was looking to start an argument. After the President answered his follow-up question and told him enough was enough, he physically refused to surrender the mic. This has nothing to do with Acosta asking tough questions or the President not wanting to answer them. He answered hundreds of questions in a 90 minute press conference. You're arguing a false premise.
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post 1566488831 11-17-2018, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted By 89FoxBody⏩
Trump answered the questions that Acosta asked. He wasn't looking to answer questions, he was looking to start an argument. After the President answered his follow-up question and told him enough was enough, he physically refused to surrender the mic. This has nothing to do with Acosta asking tough questions or the President not wanting to answer them. He answered hundreds of questions in a 90 minute press conference. You're arguing a false premise.
Did you watch the whole press conference? I did. At 2x speed, but I did.

Trump's general pattern of behavior when a reporter asks questions which irritate Trump is to quickly move on to the next reporter, and he did it to Acosta and also to other reporters at the last press conference. And in previous press events whenever someone asks him difficult questions or questions that makes him look like a jerk he has resorted to insulting the reporter or moving on to the next reporter, and so on.

And this is part of a broader pattern of behavior. Trump is not doing may press conferences. The WH has stopped doing the press briefings, or now does them very rarely:
The WH has far fewer press briefings with Sarah Sanders these days:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/whit...e-control.html

Trump doesn't hold that many press conferences either:

https://theweek.com/speedreads/77040...r-trump-held-1
And the reason is simple. Trump doesn't like being criticized and doesn't like being called out on his sh*t.

And the Trump supporters are okay with this, and are okay with Trump assaulting the First Amendment because Trump supporters think the "Fake News" media is the "enemy of the people" as Trump has suggested.
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LOL, ran across this earlier.

Sounds like a good idea to me.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ext-jim-acosta

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post 1566497881 11-17-2018, 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
I have put the First Amendment on a pedestal.

The big point I am trying to make is that the First Amendment is more important than Acosta. The First Amendment is more important than Trump. The First Amendment is more important than etiquette. The White House isn't Buckingham Palace. So it's so important to me that I am personally willing to put with an ***hole of a President so long as he doesn't ban reporters, and I am willing to put up with a jerk reporter for this same reason as well. And I'm not suggesting any particular tactic. What I'm suggesting, in general, is that there are a wide variety of ways Trump can get his way, or at least some of what he wants, that don't involve pissing on the First Amendment. If you were to press me for the best solution, the solution I think which would be preferable, it would be holding more press conferences. And the thing here is, the reason why Trump isn't doing this is that he's doing things he's getting criticized for and he doesn't like getting criticized or questioned.

Freedom of Speech and Freedom of the Press is a fundamental, foundational, individual right. And respect for it overrides all other considerations in my view.
You liberals absolutely crack me up. Where is this constitutional support when it comes to the 2nd amendment? Nothing wrong with a "little common sense reporter control".
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Originally Posted By JaegerBrah⏩
LOL

Needs to be in back row though.
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post 1566506481 11-17-2018, 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted By TrappSki⏩
You liberals absolutely crack me up. Where is this constitutional support when it comes to the 2nd amendment? Nothing wrong with a "little common sense reporter control".
You Authoritarians absolutely crack me up. I am not a liberal. I am a moderate. I own firearms. I have also donated to gun rights groups. I have also volunteered my time and money for pro 2nd amendment candidates.

What have you done to support the 2nd amendment?
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Originally Posted By JaegerBrah⏩
What's Trump's seat doing there?
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Originally Posted By BS57⏩
LOL, ran across this earlier.

Sounds like a good idea to me.


https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...ext-jim-acosta

Omg yes!!
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CNN has 30+ press passes for the white house. Show me in the constitution where it says that Jim Acosta is required to maintain a white house press pass after assaulting an intern.
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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
CNN has 30+ press passes for the white house. Show me in the constitution where it says that Jim Acosta is required to maintain a white house press pass after assaulting an intern.
Show me where he assaulted an intern
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Originally Posted By AriGhold⏩
Show me where he assaulted an intern
Even the judge was like, "lol, idiots."
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Originally Posted By AriGhold⏩
Show me where he assaulted an intern
Its hidden in the hippocampus, its indelible there
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Its hidden in the hippocampus, its indelible there
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
You Authoritarians absolutely crack me up. I am not a liberal. I am a moderate. I own firearms. I have also donated to gun rights groups. I have also volunteered my time and money for pro 2nd amendment candidates.

What have you done to support the 2nd amendment?
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I agree 100 percent and I will be voting for Democrats this election cycle.

The GOP has lost its way.
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He legally has the right to be there unless they can prove he is a danger to the president or the family.
nope, he doesnt allow other people to do their jobs..he is disturbing the peace
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Originally Posted By AriGhold⏩
Show me where he assaulted an intern
There is hard video evidence where he straight up karate chopped the interns arm when he was acting like a baby and hogging the mic.

Its easily found on the internet. Many liberal MSM sites call the video "doctored". Its their way of coping I guess.


Hopefully Acosta ends up in jail. The guy is a ticking time bomb.
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Originally Posted By AlwaysFocus⏩
There is hard video evidence where he straight up karate chopped the interns arm when he was acting like a baby and hogging the mic.

Its easily found on the internet. Many liberal MSM sites call the video "doctored". Its their way of coping I guess.


Hopefully Acosta ends up in jail. The guy is a ticking time bomb.
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We’ll see. This Acosta soon shifted when the Don made a move towards him
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Originally Posted By wesleysh21⏩
Its hidden in the hippocampus, its indelible there
I lol'd
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Originally Posted By TrappSki⏩
lol at authoritarian. Also, you're a liarhttps://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=175893841
Yes, 100 percent the GOP has lost its way. My opinion on that has not changed.

And I still ended up voting a split ticket despite my extreme dislike of Trump.

I did vote Dems for House though and I’m glad I did because the Mueller investigation must continue and Trump’s assault on our institutions and our Constitution especially as it concerns the Mueller investigation represents a threat to our Republic.

And I’m not alone in my growing disgust of Trump and the GOP. That’s why the Democrats won a solid victory in the midterms. And I would not disparage any moderate or conservative who voted a straight Democratic ticket given the cult which has developed around Trump and this thread is just yet more evidence of that.
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I wish Trump just told him his questions were stupid, when his mic was taken he was just parroting sjw dribble about the language Trump used to describe the invaders
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Originally Posted By beowulf10⏩
Yes, 100 percent the GOP has lost its way. My opinion on that has not changed.

And I still ended up voting a split ticket despite my extreme dislike of Trump.

I did vote Dems for House though and I’m glad I did because the Mueller investigation must continue and Trump’s assault on our institutions and our Constitution especially as it concerns the Mueller investigation represents a threat to our Republic.

And I’m not alone in my growing disgust of Trump and the GOP. That’s why the Democrats won a solid victory in the midterms. And I would not disparage any moderate or conservative who voted a straight Democratic ticket given the cult which has developed around Trump and this thread is just yet more evidence of that.
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Originally Posted By 128⏩
I wish Trump just told him his questions were stupid, when his mic was taken he was just parroting sjw dribble about the language Trump used to describe the invaders
On this point Acosta was 100 percent correct. Trump did try to use demagogic language to rile up his base about the caravan. Trump knew it. That's why he didn't like being called out on his sh*t, and like a coward tried to move on to the next question as quickly as possible.

Of particular importance, Trump implied unarmed civilians; men, women, and children should be shot. You don’t have to be a SJW to recognize that that kind of talk is wrong, you just have to not be an ***hole.

This isn’t about left and right. It’s about right and wrong. It’s not okay to treat other human beings like animals.
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