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post 1691940883 10-19-2023, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted By Reserrection
Volk outstruck Islam too. Islam's most significant moments in the fight were a few takedowns and hugging volk on the ground, one or two sub attempts iirc

Volk won if you score based on damage / sig strikes. it's total nonsense to say "Volk was beaten in every aspect"

if you score fights how they're supposed to be scored, Volk won but it was close
Yeah by the rules Volk clearly won. If we're to score fights the way this one was, why would anyone even go for a submission? Just get a body triangle and keep it lmao


The problem is judges are never consistent. It's a complete chit show
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8
Yeah by the rules Volk clearly won. If we're to score fights the way this one was, why would anyone even go for a submission? Just get a body triangle and keep it lmao


The problem is judges are never consistent. It's a complete chit show
Judges were never great and have gotten a lot worse recently. It's becoming like boxing where the more popular fighter gets gifted decisions more regularly

no more USADA either. it's gonna be a lot juiced up fighters and robberies from now on lmao
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8
"Volk was beaten in every aspect of the fight. That was Volk on a full camp."

Dude, what? The fight ended with Islam getting his face caved in, he was completely defeated by the end. 15 more seconds and volk literally wins the fight

You can say Islam won via scoring but that's a weird way to put it
Islam had the better grappling. He got the better of the striking exchanges. Islam won 4 out of 5 rounds.

Sure Volk had him at the end, but that means nothing from a scoring perspective.

Rewatch the fight and score it round by round. Review each exchange. You'll be hard pressed not to agree with me. Make sure to turn the volume down.

I'd like Volk to beat the inbred as much as the next man, but I'm just being realistic.
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Round 1 was pretty much Islam.
Round 2 Islam hit volk with nasty shots. Volk did not "knock down" Islam. Volk took a swing, Islam shot to secure a takedown. Islam followed up by dropping Volk to a knee with a hook that cut him before the end of the round.
Round 3 was a competitive round, but I gave it to Islam.
Round 4 was clearly Islam. Islam stalled on the back, but he was still holding dominant position. Volk's little baby punches over the shoulder did not impact. Islams had the take down & dominate positional control.
Round 5 Volk.

I can see an argument for Volk taking round 3, which would make it 3-2 for Islam with volk taking rounds 3 & 5. What argument can you give for Volk having taken round 1, 2 or 4 in order to make it 3-2 for Volk? I'm failing to see how anyone scored those rounds for Volk.
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Originally Posted By CellyTech
Islam had the better grappling. He got the better of the striking exchanges. Islam won 4 out of 5 rounds.

Sure Volk had him at the end, but that means nothing from a scoring perspective.

Rewatch the fight and score it round by round. Review each exchange. You'll be hard pressed not to agree with me. Make sure to turn the volume down.

I'd like Volk to beat the inbred as much as the next man, but I'm just being realistic.
I don't care about that lol, that has been debated forever. You said he was beaten in every aspect of the fight which is wrong. Edging out a couple rounds by landing a strike more doesn't warrant that statement. Durability/gas tank/whatever you want to call it is a huge ASPECT of a fight. You framed it like this by saying "That was Volk in a full camp"...Yes, volk in a full camp fuked Islam up

There's fights more one sided than this and no one says they were beaten in every aspect of the fight, certainly not when they were saved by the fukking bell
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8
I don't care about that lol, that has been debated forever. You said he was beaten in every aspect of the fight which is wrong. Edging out a couple rounds by landing a strike more doesn't warrant that statement. Durability/gas tank/whatever you want to call it is a huge ASPECT of a fight. You framed it like this by saying "That was Volk in a full camp"...Yes, volk in a full camp fuked Islam up

There's fights more one sided than this and no one says they were beaten in every aspect of the fight, certainly not when they were saved by the fukking bell
Yes Volk with a full camp still lost 4, maybe 3, out of 5 rounds.
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I scored the first fight 49-46 for Islam watching live. On rematch I'd maybe go 48-47 for Islam still. He definetly won. People seem to only remember the last 90 seconds of the 5th round.

All logic points to Islam winning this.
He already beat volk at his absolute worst and volk at his absolute best (volk weighed more than Islam in the first fight, volk was bulking up before Islam fought olives) and the Australian timetable is garbage and doesn't allow the right amount of time for fighters to rehydrate.

Volk on 11 days (183lbs too fckn hell lmao weight bully)

So by all logical reasons, Islam should win. But the hidden factor of mma is that sht happens.

I'm expecting volk to PUSH PUSH PUSH for the first two rounds. Islam is a bit chinny so a heavy volk could land a shot and go from there.

Rest of the card I've got

Chimaev (usman is done at the peak level, his knees are shot. Guy has to walk backwards down stairs and he's got ptsd from that KO. He was very gun shy in the 3rd Edwards fight. Didn't capitalise on a lot of shots that he could have)
Ankalaev (although walker is crazy and wouldn't be shocked at a timed knee ending ankalaev)
Aliskerov
Nurmagomdev
Mokaev
Magomedov (dudes a legit psycho with 1 eye. Very excited for his debut)
Fck u james
post 1691945293 10-19-2023, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted By ninetynine8
Yeah by the rules Volk clearly won. If we're to score fights the way this one was, why would anyone even go for a submission? Just get a body triangle and keep it lmao


The problem is judges are never consistent. It's a complete chit show
Dumb. No idea why people are praising what volk did. Firing shots that are doing zero damage whilst a guy is on your back. If anything it shows a lack of fight iq. You don't waste energy and time throwing shots that result in nothing in that situation. You try and get out of thr position or accept defeat and lose the round
Fck u james
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Thanks for putting the thread up. This is going to be epic

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post 1691987623 10-19-2023, 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted By Gringo12
Dumb. No idea why people are praising what volk did. Firing shots that are doing zero damage whilst a guy is on your back. If anything it shows a lack of fight iq. You don't waste energy and time throwing shots that result in nothing in that situation. You try and get out of thr position or accept defeat and lose the round
Doesn't matter. it's the rules. Damage > doing nothing with a body triangle. Facts don't care about your feelings

So Volk won not only by the rules, but also by beating the life out of him
post 1691987803 10-19-2023, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted By CellyTech
Yes Volk with a full camp still lost 4, maybe 3, out of 5 rounds.
Izzy was also winning the rounds against periera in the first fight until he got tkod, yet rewatching it it's clear he was losing the fight from a physical perspective. He was getting beat up and periera wasn't. From scoring I can see the case for Islam, to say he won in every aspect of the fight is bs
post 1691990133 10-19-2023, 09:50 PM
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This card became significantly better with Costa and Charles pulling out.

Islam vs Volk 2 is gonna be a war. Two warriors who never run from a fight. Love em both. Usman vs Chimaev at Middleweight is a blast.

Finally a UFC event that gets me hypeeed.
post 1692004393 10-20-2023, 08:19 AM
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Pretty sure Volk got offered HUGE money to take this fight. He is not in fight shape but the money was so good he couldn't turn it down. I expect Islam to have an easier time than their 1st bout.
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What a ****ty main event

Why didn't they get one of the countless lightweights with a good recent record to fight Islam

hate these ****ty rematches, why UFC is dying
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This is gonna be a great card, especially the last 2 fights
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Originally Posted By Harry362
why UFC is dying
Dying indeed

"In looking at the profits of UFC, their net income (profits) are even more impressive, growing from $119 million in 2015 to $177 million in 2020 to $272 in 2021 and reaching $387 million in 2022, a margin of 34%"
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Originally Posted By Harry362
What a ****ty main event

Why didn't they get one of the countless lightweights with a good recent record to fight Islam

hate these ****ty rematches, why UFC is dying
youre retarded this is the fastest growing sport in the world
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youre retarded this is the fastest growing sport in the world
Isn't that pickle ball?
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i punted alot of multi bets for UFC294, but this one could be it
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Originally Posted By Oceanofthc
i punted alot of multi bets for UFC294, but this one could be it
Get a load of mr. high roller over here
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl
Get a load of mr. high roller over here
lmao
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If they had the entire camp I wouldve had marty and volk winning. 12 days notice, damn that's tough. But if anyone could do it they can
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i'm thinking islam finishes volk, khamzat beats usman by decis


i actually want volk and usman to win but small ass notices and usmans knees are fooked
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Get a load of mr. high roller over here
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Looks like instructions were clear from Abu Dhabi to the judges - any name that ends with -ev or -ov shall not lose of Dana can say bye to fight island.
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Originally Posted By Schnitzl
Looks like instructions were clear from Abu Dhabi to the judges - any name that ends with -ev or -ov shall not lose of Dana can say bye to fight island.
thats why im not betting on volk, i can see him winning by decis and then getting robbed

might actually change it to 3 r parlay, islam by decis, kumshot by decis and johnny walker by fluke ko..
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