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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers⏩
Out or not, Ben has retard strong ogre squeeze for sure.
Ed Strangler Lewis had enough squeeze to put people out with headlocks above the ears.
Ed Strangler Lewis had enough squeeze to put people out with headlocks above the ears.
rasslin be like that
ben was gettin his hips out too, the position would only improve
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03-04-2019, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By Manletbolic⏩
I've watched it at least twenty times.again watch the clip
ben was being active, adjusted right away from turtle position, he swung his left leg to the other side to get him into half guard, then puting his left arm under robbies arm getting the under hook closing the distance and then finding the right time to get back up.
he also didn't show signs of blacking out at herb's discretion during the onslaught.
ben was being active, adjusted right away from turtle position, he swung his left leg to the other side to get him into half guard, then puting his left arm under robbies arm getting the under hook closing the distance and then finding the right time to get back up.
he also didn't show signs of blacking out at herb's discretion during the onslaught.
Lawler slammed him, fed him at least 14 unanswered undefended loaded up rights and two hammer fists, switched position and delivered multiple left handed forearms/elbows/punches directly to his face - I absolutely believe that the 8th right flipped Askren's light switch and I'm pretty sure he was out blind for like the next three rights.
Askren took almost twenty undefended unanswered shots to his face from a pretty strong fkn dude and herp let's it go...Lawler's arm does something somewhat unusual and herp's diving in to save him.
I'm not giving Askren a whole lot of credit but I'm not hating on him either, he's a pretty tough mfer.
I do believe it was a bad stop by Dean.
Now...if ya want to play by Stockton rules...Askrensfacepostlawler.jpg
That's the reason he doesn't want to do a rematch.
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03-04-2019, 09:25 AM
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03-04-2019, 09:26 AM
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"Something somewhat unusual..."
An arm going 100% limp is not "something somewhat unusual". He was out at that moment. And unanswered shots or not, obviously they didn't seriously hurt Askren or he wouldn't have recovered like he did. They may have both had "flash" events, but the difference is Askren could and did recover, Lawler wasn't going to. As mentioned, the hold would have only gotten worse had the ref not stepped in. Lawler can say what he wants, but he was out and likely only regained consciousness because the ref stepped in and Askren momentarily release a little.
An arm going 100% limp is not "something somewhat unusual". He was out at that moment. And unanswered shots or not, obviously they didn't seriously hurt Askren or he wouldn't have recovered like he did. They may have both had "flash" events, but the difference is Askren could and did recover, Lawler wasn't going to. As mentioned, the hold would have only gotten worse had the ref not stepped in. Lawler can say what he wants, but he was out and likely only regained consciousness because the ref stepped in and Askren momentarily release a little.
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03-04-2019, 09:30 AM
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I want a rematch asap, fuc all the other bullchit.
03-04-2019, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted By AltarOfPlagues⏩
rasslin be like that
ben was gettin his hips out too, the position would only improve
Yeah, it looked like he was beginning to sit out and drop his weight.rasslin be like that
ben was gettin his hips out too, the position would only improve
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03-04-2019, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted By jfindon⏩
Yeah ok, arm went limp and IMMEDIATELY moved forward when it hit the mat...so IF I play along Lawler was out for maybe a half second."Something somewhat unusual..."
An arm going 100% limp is not "something somewhat unusual". He was out at that moment. And unanswered shots or not, obviously they didn't seriously hurt Askren or he wouldn't have recovered like he did. They may have both had "flash" events, but the difference is Askren could and did recover, Lawler wasn't going to. As mentioned, the hold would have only gotten worse had the ref not stepped in. Lawler can say what he wants, but he was out and likely only regained consciousness because the ref stepped in and Askren momentarily release a little.
An arm going 100% limp is not "something somewhat unusual". He was out at that moment. And unanswered shots or not, obviously they didn't seriously hurt Askren or he wouldn't have recovered like he did. They may have both had "flash" events, but the difference is Askren could and did recover, Lawler wasn't going to. As mentioned, the hold would have only gotten worse had the ref not stepped in. Lawler can say what he wants, but he was out and likely only regained consciousness because the ref stepped in and Askren momentarily release a little.
Askren was out for at least 3 loaded up rights- that's about six times as long as Lawler was supposedly out from the "choke".
As far as this "choke" that everyone is claiming- Askren's right forearm was across Lawler's JAW- I'm am not aware of any major arteries running along the human jaw that one can apply pressure to in order to cut off the flow of blood to one's brain resulting in a loss of consciousness.
"But but Askren was advancing and can break vegetables with his bare hands"...yeah ok, and Robbie Lawler is one of the toughest mma fighters there is and has been training for decades- he's probably been in that same position thousands of times before.
I change my position from bad stoppage to horrible.
I'm not saying I could have done better than Herb, given the chaos of an mma fight I think he does a good job overall...i just think he made the wrong decision in this one.
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03-04-2019, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Nice woman logic in a mma threadYeah ok, arm went limp and IMMEDIATELY moved forward when it hit the mat...so IF I play along Lawler was out for maybe a half second.
Askren was out for at least 3 loaded up rights- that's about six times as long as Lawler was supposedly out from the "choke".
As far as this "choke" that everyone is claiming- Askren's right forearm was across Lawler's JAW- I'm am not aware of any major arteries running along the human jaw that one can apply pressure to in order to cut off the flow of blood to one's brain resulting in a loss of consciousness.
"But but Askren was advancing and can break vegetables with his bare hands"...yeah ok, and Robbie Lawler is one of the toughest mma fighters there is and has been training for decades- he's probably been in that same position thousands of times before.
I change my position from bad stoppage to horrible.
I'm not saying I could have done better than Herb, given the chaos of an mma fight I think he does a good job overall...i just think he made the wrong decision in this one.
Askren was out for at least 3 loaded up rights- that's about six times as long as Lawler was supposedly out from the "choke".
As far as this "choke" that everyone is claiming- Askren's right forearm was across Lawler's JAW- I'm am not aware of any major arteries running along the human jaw that one can apply pressure to in order to cut off the flow of blood to one's brain resulting in a loss of consciousness.
"But but Askren was advancing and can break vegetables with his bare hands"...yeah ok, and Robbie Lawler is one of the toughest mma fighters there is and has been training for decades- he's probably been in that same position thousands of times before.
I change my position from bad stoppage to horrible.
I'm not saying I could have done better than Herb, given the chaos of an mma fight I think he does a good job overall...i just think he made the wrong decision in this one.
03-04-2019, 02:50 PM
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03-04-2019, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
They weren’t loaded up rights though.Yeah ok, arm went limp and IMMEDIATELY moved forward when it hit the mat...so IF I play along Lawler was out for maybe a half second.
Askren was out for at least 3 loaded up rights- that's about six times as long as Lawler was supposedly out from the "choke".
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Askren was out for at least 3 loaded up rights- that's about six times as long as Lawler was supposedly out from the "choke".
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They were actually from a non ideal position.
If Robbie was skilled he would have tried to take his back for a choke of his own (but didn’t have the skill) or would have went for more hip control to keep him pinned down. Instead he did neither and did a novice lay and pray type volume assault from an awkward angle till Ben was able to get up. He neither did what it would take to finish him nor keep him there.
Again, try getting down on the ground in a push up position, then lift one hand up and punch a pillow or something. You can’t do much. True punching power comes from the ground and your legs channeling to the core, and that can’t happen in a laying down position.
03-04-2019, 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
he trains with benson hendersonCan you actually fight? It kinda seems like you're talking out of your ass.
I have no bjj training, have been boxing for only two years, and wrestled in high school - that's the extent of my combat training - so maybe I'm just ignorant but it really does sound like you're just talking chit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
I have no bjj training, have been boxing for only two years, and wrestled in high school - that's the extent of my combat training - so maybe I'm just ignorant but it really does sound like you're just talking chit. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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03-04-2019, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted By scooterbrah⏩
This.he trains with benson henderson
He broke his jaw once with a bulldog choke.
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03-04-2019, 04:53 PM
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If someone has you in a bulldog choke and is able to sit out, your head might pop right off your body.
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03-04-2019, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Sorry I wasn't being serious.He broke benson's jaw with a choke or the other way around?
He was talking about how he can break jaws in another thread...
And he did claim to have trained at The MMA Lab. He even produced a keychain at one point. I do remember that much.
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Originally Posted By IrRon⏩
Herb had the best view out of everyone. If Ben was out like you said he was, Herb would have called it.I've watched it at least twenty times.
Lawler slammed him, fed him at least 14 unanswered undefended loaded up rights and two hammer fists, switched position and delivered multiple left handed forearms/elbows/punches directly to his face - I absolutely believe that the 8th right flipped Askren's light switch and I'm pretty sure he was out blind for like the next three rights.
Askren took almost twenty undefended unanswered shots to his face from a pretty strong fkn dude and herp let's it go...Lawler's arm does something somewhat unusual and herp's diving in to save him.
I'm not giving Askren a whole lot of credit but I'm not hating on him either, he's a pretty tough mfer.
I do believe it was a bad stop by Dean.
Now...if ya want to play by Stockton rules...Askrensfacepostlawler.jpg
That's the reason he doesn't want to do a rematch.
Lawler slammed him, fed him at least 14 unanswered undefended loaded up rights and two hammer fists, switched position and delivered multiple left handed forearms/elbows/punches directly to his face - I absolutely believe that the 8th right flipped Askren's light switch and I'm pretty sure he was out blind for like the next three rights.
Askren took almost twenty undefended unanswered shots to his face from a pretty strong fkn dude and herp let's it go...Lawler's arm does something somewhat unusual and herp's diving in to save him.
I'm not giving Askren a whole lot of credit but I'm not hating on him either, he's a pretty tough mfer.
I do believe it was a bad stop by Dean.
Now...if ya want to play by Stockton rules...Askrensfacepostlawler.jpg
That's the reason he doesn't want to do a rematch.
As soon as ben got slammed, he was trying to recover. He went from turtle, to half, and then back up. There's no way anyone else would be able to adjust positions if they went out.
Edit - wereas robbie tho made adjustments too but ended up getting caught and showing much more evident of blacking out
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03-04-2019, 10:14 PM
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03-05-2019, 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers⏩
Legit the most reputable people to comment on the situation.Cliffs
- early stoppage
- wouldnt have change the outcome either way
Source - gracie bjj
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03-05-2019, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted By Mr.PissShivers⏩
Definately the strongest case for Askren/Dean but the end is based on speculation that Lawler was absolutely fkd...speculation based on a sht ton of knowledge and experience but still speculation.I still believe Askren was out...if the fight was stopped at that point the discussion would be in reverse- but Ben was still shifting/adjusting etc, Herb should have let it go ie Kongo- Berry.
Bad stoppage in a perfect world but Herb did what he thought was right- gotta respect him for that.
Great discussion but I'm out.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
He's just the local retard nobody takes srs.yep, the sarcasm went right over my head.
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