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Opposing viewpoints

There is a philosophy that it is good to hear opposing viewpoints which I agree with I think it is good to keep an open mind but how come almost every time you hear or Listen to an opposing viewpoint it becomes so obvious why your logic is correct and How listening to some of these fools is such a waste of time.
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Didn't read, sorry brah
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Originally Posted By Jandels⏩
Didn't read, sorry brah
Damn. BRAH, I didn't EVEN capitalize RANDOM things. That hurt.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
There is a philosophy that it is good to hear opposing viewpoints which I agree with I think it is good to keep an open mind but how come almost every time you hear or Listen to an opposing viewpoint it becomes so obvious why your logic is correct and How listening to some of these fools is such a waste of time.
Your viewpoint is flawed.


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Is it really listening to a new viewpoint if you aren’t adding information that you didn’t previously take into account or is what you are doing just applying confirmation bias onto something you have already made your mind up about? In which case yeah, I can see it coming across as being stupid.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
There is a philosophy that it is good to hear opposing viewpoints which I agree with I think it is good to keep an open mind but how come almost every time you hear or Listen to an opposing viewpoint it becomes so obvious why your logic is correct and How listening to some of these fools is such a waste of time.
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Originally Posted By Duckliver⏩
Is it really listening to a new viewpoint if you aren’t adding information that you didn’t previously take into account or is what you are doing just applying confirmation bias onto something you have already made your mind up about? In which case yeah, I can see it coming across as being stupid.
Exactly, It feels like a lot of the viewpoints I hear while different then mine aren't presenting me with information that causes me to change my belief.
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I agree with you, only on the first part.

As for the rest, I don't.
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Because no one is objective nor ever makes up their mind based on rationality. The information you consume speaks to you either as true or false based on a preconceived notion, it's never used to come to a conclusion. Rationality is used after intuition, gut feeling, natural inclination or whatever you want to call it to justify and communicate the idea or opinion. Many people will deny this because they believe themselves to be rational and objective, especially the type abundant on the misc who love someone like Ben Shapiro but they are delusional.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
There is a philosophy that it is good to hear opposing viewpoints which I agree with I think it is good to keep an open mind but how come almost every time you hear or Listen to an opposing viewpoint it becomes so obvious why your logic is correct and How listening to some of these fools is such a waste of time.
you always think your logic is correct and you're right? how is that working out for you?

you need to have some humility and make an honest assessment of your life and realize that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are.

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Saying you have an open mind, and actually having an open mind, are two different things.
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Originally Posted By GordonXXX⏩
you always think your logic is correct and you're right? how is that working out for you?

you need to have some humility and make an honest assessment of your life and realize that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are.

“I have a great appreciation for how stupid I am. That’s one of my strengths.” – David Tepper - Multi-Billionaire
Says the self-proclaimed millionaire who takes creepshots with humility...hmmm,



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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Because no one is objective nor ever makes up their mind based on rationality. The information you consume speaks to you either as true or false based on a preconceived notion, it's never used to come to a conclusion. Rationality is used after intuition, gut feeling, natural inclination or whatever you want to call it to justify and communicate the idea or opinion. Many people will deny this because they believe themselves to be rational and objective, especially the type abundant on the misc who love someone like Ben Shapiro but they are delusional.
So, With that line of logic your belief that nobody is objective is a result of your intuition and Not of rationality. that is a very flawed statement, A logical fallacy if you will.

I agree with you that perception as well as intuition can play a reasonable part in a decision making process however I think it would be ignorant to say that people are not objective or Rationale in their decision making.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
So, With that line of logic your belief that nobody is objective is a result of your intuition and Not of rationality. that is a very flawed statement, A logical fallacy if you will.

I agree with you that perception as well as intuition can play a reasonable part in a decision making process however I think it would be ignorant to say that people are not objective or Rationale in their decision making.
Not fallacious, I'm not claiming I've come to that conclusion as a result of logic or rationality.

If you remain hung up on logic you'll just engage in mental masturbation forever.
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Originally Posted By xxAchillesxx⏩
Saying you have an open mind, and actually having an open mind, are two different things.
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It depends, some people have gotten so ridiculous and can't discuss/debate things in good faith and are very intellectually dishonest (if not flat out stupid).
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“Confirmation bias”

Explains everything you need to know OP
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Usually it helps if its not the same bullshiit you've heard 1000x before

If someone brings a fresh viewpoint to something then I'm more likely to think about it instead of ignoring them

No way I'm gonna listen to "women make 70% as much as men" for the 2000th time knowing that their logic is already bullshiit
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Not fallacious, I'm not claiming I've come to that conclusion as a result of logic or rationality.

If you remain hung up on logic you'll just engage in mental masturbation forever.
Sounds like cope for being called out as a pseudo-intellectual making low-IQ statements.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
Sounds like cope for being called out as a pseudo-intellectual making low-IQ statements.
You haven't described any fallacy, you just want to cling on to the idea that you are objective and rational because of your ego.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
You haven't described any fallacy, you just want to cling on to the idea that you are objective and rational because of your ego.
How would it satisfy or Fulfill my ego simply acknowledging that I am objective and Rational or At the very least try to be.

I don't see how that could benefit your ego in anyway.
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Originally Posted By Realclout⏩
How would it satisfy or Fulfill my ego simply acknowledging that I am objective and Rational or At the very least try to be.

I don't see how that could benefit your ego in anyway.
Because it would presumably place you above the non-rational simpletons operating on emotion. But you're not Dr Spock, you're just an ape like the rest of us.

I think I've escaped the prison of rationality, and I don't listen to stupid youtube debates or search endlessly for new philosophy or ideology anymore, and that satisfies my ego. At least I can admit it.

I am projecting ITT, but aren't we all?
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Because it would presumably place you above the non-rational simpletons operating on emotion. But you're not Dr Spock, you're just an ape like the rest of us.

I think I've escaped the prison of rationality, and I don't listen to stupid youtube debates or search endlessly for new philosophy or ideology anymore, and that satisfies my ego. At least I can admit it.

I am projecting ITT, but aren't we all?
I dunno mate, I think you're being affected by your perception and Beliefs.

I don't believe being rational is a prison, Nor do I think that acknowledging ones attempt to at the bare minimum be rational and Objective directly results in the feeling of superiority. I also don't think there is anything wrong with believing that if one attempts to be rational or Objective thus potentially making him superior presents any sort of problem as within reason it is probably not inaccurate to hold such a belief.

I don't feel as though I search for philosophy or Ideologies either or Ever have for the most part I just try to analyze my own thoughts and Decision making as objectively and Rationally as possible.

Sometimes, I project I think it is almost impossible to avoid doing so entirely but I think if one can identify what causes one to do so or why and Understand why one feels the need to project I think one can make the choices to speak of beliefs and Opinions without feeling right or Wrong all while explaining your viewpoint without expressing it as fact unless it is fact.
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Originally Posted By PenorBrahNoHomo⏩
Not fallacious, I'm not claiming I've come to that conclusion as a result of logic or rationality.

If you remain hung up on logic you'll just engage in mental masturbation forever.
You touched in a lot of things but this basically summarizes the end result.

Eventually you turn into a dog chasing it’s tail. Theirs diminishing returns to being open minded and logical past a certain point it becomes pointless.
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Originally Posted By r32gojirra⏩
“Confirmation bias”

Explains everything you need to know OP
I am not looking for confirmation sometimes within reason sure without being biased but I am more so looking for the truth.
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Originally Posted By GordonXXX⏩
you always think your logic is correct and you're right? how is that working out for you?

you need to have some humility and make an honest assessment of your life and realize that maybe you're not as smart as you think you are.

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Generally speaking I do within reason I am always open to the possibility I am wrong however until that information is presented to you or You experience something that indicates you're wrong I believe it may be foolish to doubt yourself unnecessarily.

Sure, I agree completely. I think that is the one thing a lot of people get wrong and I feel as though that is almost the root of a lot of peoples suffering. I know that is something I have struggled with in many ways and I think it is best to be able to admit you're not as smart as you think within reason.
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