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post 1667732563 09-12-2022, 08:01 AM
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Say what you will about Ukraine, but Russia still hasn't taken over.

Their leader, Zelensky, might be annoying asking for money and support and this and that, but honestly it is an alpha move.

Non-alpha males do not like asking for help because they don't want to seem rude or in need or whatever else kind of reason there is.

Alphas do not think about this or that, they just do what NEEDS to be done, so if they need help to finish the task, they recruit, ask for assistance or whatever. There's never a thought about how this will affect the people they ask or what it means for them but more so - how to get the task at hand done.

Russia still hasn't taken over Ukraine and has actually lost ground.

IF THIS WAR IS HAPPENING AS IT SEEMS: Russia trying to advance but failing miserably, then I got to hand it to Zelensky for doing what needed to be done to protect his people in the country he is leading.

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With that said, nothing this large is ever as it seems (so it would seem).
post 1667732653 09-12-2022, 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted By Lucas5814⏩
IF THIS WAR IS HAPPENING AS IT SEEMS
yeah...
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The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years and had to retreat. They also couldnt take over Vietnam

The reality is that winning a war takes long
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years and had to retreat. They also couldnt take over Vietnam

The reality is that winning a war takes long
We could have ended both countries with 1 bomb. We half ass things and lose interest. lol @ thinking the US 'couldn't' do these things. Those enemies hide behind civilians like cowards and the US backs off of that many times.
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post 1667733373 09-12-2022, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years and had to retreat. They also couldnt take over Vietnam

The reality is that winning a war takes long
We had full control of the country in less than 2 months lol. Roughly same size and population as Ukraine with less infrastructure. Russian strategy is trash. Insurgency doesn’t mean you don’t have control of the country it just means you haven’t completely wiped out enemy combatants. We had every major city under control and the general population supported us, and Afghanistan was joining the 21st century. Then Biden gave that all up just because.
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post 1667733513 09-12-2022, 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
We could have ended both countries with 1 bomb. We half ass things and lose interest. lol @ thinking the US 'couldn't' do these things. Those enemies hide behind civilians like cowards and the US backs off of that many times.
And yet it still means you lost.
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post 1667733803 09-12-2022, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted By bemyguest⏩
And yet it still means you lost.
Lol that isn't what that means at all. It took us over 100 years just to completely demoralize the Native Americans. If you have effectively wiped out the standing military of another country and control all major cities and ports/airports, you won.

Also I don't think anyone from ukland should be discussing military strategy like the UK is good at it. Haven't been relevant in 70 years.
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Originally Posted By Holyfenix⏩
We had full control of the country in less than 2 months lol. Roughly same size and population as Ukraine with less infrastructure. Russian strategy is trash. Insurgency doesn’t mean you don’t have control of the country it just means you haven’t completely wiped out enemy combatants. We had every major city under control and the general population supported us, and Afghanistan was joining the 21st century. Then Biden gave that all up just because.
NATO has been there for so many years they didnt develop chit.

Only time when it could be considered developed was before Americans decided to support islamic terrorists in there
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Originally Posted By natypes⏩
We could have ended both countries with 1 bomb. We half ass things and lose interest. lol @ thinking the US 'couldn't' do these things. Those enemies hide behind civilians like cowards and the US backs off of that many times.
Russia could end Ukraine with 1 nuke to Kiev too but since this is a conventional war, it is similar to the US
Originally Posted By Holyfenix⏩
We had full control of the country in less than 2 months lol. Roughly same size and population as Ukraine with less infrastructure. Russian strategy is trash. Insurgency doesn’t mean you don’t have control of the country it just means you haven’t completely wiped out enemy combatants. We had every major city under control and the general population supported us, and Afghanistan was joining the 21st century. Then Biden gave that all up just because.
You guys retreated and the country is back at point zero, getting lead by the taliban again.
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Originally Posted By imiscubb⏩
Russia never wanted to take over Ukraine
This.
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Originally Posted By Sinan09400⏩
NATO has been there for so many years they didnt develop chit.

Only time when it could be considered developed was before Americans decided to support islamic terrorists in there
They didn't want to develop anything. It's a lot less profit to mine in a modern country than in one with conflict.
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years and had to retreat. They also couldnt take over Vietnam

The reality is that winning a war takes long
That's the problem when a place has no infrastructure - what are you going to take over? You capture a couple of cities and then what? Skirmish forever? There's a reason Russia couldn't do it in the 80s either. If there's no real existing power structures there is nothing to capture.
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What makes you think Russia wants to end the war?

Go read 1984, it will give you a much more nuanced view of modern conflicts.
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years and had to retreat. They also couldnt take over Vietnam

The reality is that winning a war takes long
This. Unless your plan is to absolutely decimate a country and genocide a ppl, guerrilla warfare is a long grind, even for the most powerful military in the world.

Which is why there is so much irony, btw, in dems saying "give us your guns, you wouldn't be able to do anything against jets and nukes anyways"
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Yeah Ukraine have proved far more resilient than many expected. Partly due to the bravery and determination of it's people and partly due to the sheer inadequacy of the Russian army.

Even if Russia are able to annex the lands they currently hold and retain them once a peace deal is made, the fact is the reputation of Russia as a military power has taken a big hit.

Will be interesting to see if the recent gains by Ukraine can be held or even expanded on.
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Fukking LMAO if you don't realize that Putin is a globohomo player and his decisions are made for him by the globalists, just like the American govt, who have an interest in ongoing conflict in Ukraine to advance their agenda. Prolonged war means more time for Europeans (and Americans to a lesser extent) to acclimate to spending more income on their energy bills and food until they are willing to eat bugs and ration energy.

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MSM has been telling us that "ukraine is winning" and "almost there" for like 6 months now and asking for you to donate money.


Ukraine doesnt win anything until Russia is completely gone and signs in writing an agreement not to annex any new land and obeys it. Even if that happens Ukraine is not even back where they started in January 2022.



muh winning


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Originally Posted By Peacening⏩
Fukking LMAO if you don't realize that Putin is a globohomo player and his decisions are made for him by the globalists, just like the American govt, who have an interest in ongoing conflict in Ukraine to advance their agenda. Prolonged war means more time for Europeans (and Americans to a lesser extent) to acclimate to spending more income on their energy bills and food until they are willing to eat bugs and ration energy.

The goal is a global neofeudalist state.
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
The USA couldnt take over Afghanistan in 20 years

The reality is that winning a war takes long
So does losing one...
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Originally Posted By Beast92⏩
Russia could end Ukraine with 1 nuke to Kiev too but since this is a conventional war, it is similar to the US


You guys retreated and the country is back at point zero, getting lead by the taliban again.
I mean if it makes your bean sucking a$$ feel better you can call it a retreat but if you want to live in reality poor leadership decided it wasn't a strategically valuable area and withdrew. I believe that was a mistake as we were holding the country with a fraction of the forces it required to take it.
Then again why am I discussing geopolitcal warfare with someone who lives in a barely 2nd world country. The US could probably conquer Mexico with 20,000 Marines.
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Won what. Their country is destroyed, their men are dying and their women are pimping themselves out to western men.

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Originally Posted By elterrible987⏩
MSM has been telling us that "ukraine is winning" and "almost there" for like 6 months now and asking for you to donate money.


Ukraine doesnt win anything until Russia is completely gone and signs in writing an agreement not to annex any new land and obeys it. Even if that happens Ukraine is not even back where they started in January 2022.



muh winning


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That will never happen...they already had Minsk 1 and 2 and the Ukrainians betrayed both of those while the ink was wet.

Russians will never trust the regime again.
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