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post 1704570051 08-03-2024, 11:48 PM
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intel is fukked?

intel is in strong decline

do you believe in their new "AI" cpus?

is this an opportunity to invest after losing 60% of its value in 5 years?

hard to believe the leader in CPUs for decades is going to die
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heard they are 10 years of development behind compared to China

that's what happens when u get complacent and pay useless geeks 350k each
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Semiconductor industry crew. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time. Intel is 2-3 years behind TSMC in technology, and their latest attempt to catch up let to 10% of their CPUs being physically defective. They just slashed R&D to the bone and laid off 20,000 workers, so I don't know how they will catch up. I am willing to bet that they declare Chapter 11 within 2 years.
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I'm not sure how they would catch up in AI.

Their whole competitive advantage was in dominating the CPU market. Windows OS was designed for Intel chips. With 10x the revenue of their closest competitor it was easy for them to fund 10x the R&D and stay well ahead.

Now that's all been flipped in favor of NVIDIA. But Intel has the added disadvantage of a creaking 50+ yr old bureaucracy.

However barriers to entry have decreased as the market has opened up. Used to be the only big market was CPUs, now there are phone chips, GPUs, AI chips, server/cloud chips etc. So probably expect lower barriers to entry (good for Intel) but lower margins for the leader (bad for Intel, if they ever retake first place, which is unlikely in my mind).
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funny story... i was once just hitting the keyboards at random laptops in a walmart and a crazy homeless guy using one of the laptops told me..

"hey, don't go buying that intel chinese junk, it won't last you.. you want this computer with the AMD sticker.. you know what AMD means... it means American Made"

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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Semiconductor industry crew. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time. Intel is 2-3 years behind TSMC in technology, and their latest attempt to catch up let to 10% of their CPUs being physically defective. They just slashed R&D to the bone and laid off 20,000 workers, so I don't know how they will catch up.I am willing to bet that they declare Chapter 11 within 2 years.
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Still no reason to upgrade from AM4
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
I'm not sure how they would catch up in AI.

Their whole competitive advantage was in dominating the CPU market. Windows OS was designed for Intel chips. With 10x the revenue of their closest competitor it was easy for them to fund 10x the R&D and stay well ahead.
The interesting thing is Intel took the failed option for transitioning from 32bit to 64bit CPUs. They went for a whole new architecture called Itanium. It failed. AMD chose the correct option called x86-64 (AMD64). Windows is written explicitly for x86-64, which means it favors AMD CPUs. Intel has been on the back foot for a long time now, this might be the end.

Intel got rich on the back of 'no one got fired for buying Intel'. Today no one is going to get fired for buying AMD. I'm no stock bro, but AMD is likely going to expand massively to fill Intel's failing market share.
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Semiconductor industry crew.
What did he mean by this?
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post 1704579841 08-04-2024, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Semiconductor industry crew. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time. Intel is 2-3 years behind TSMC in technology, and their latest attempt to catch up let to 10% of their CPUs being physically defective. They just slashed R&D to the bone and laid off 20,000 workers, so I don't know how they will catch up. I am willing to bet that they declare Chapter 11 within 2 years.
they could just take a knee and use TSMC like everyone else.
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Originally Posted By OffwhiteBrah⏩
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damn. 200k down the drain
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You gotta be straight up retarded to invest in a company whose stock did not go up a single dollar in 25+ years,


especially when there is an Nvidia, Tesla, AMD, and some other giants out there who are actually making a profit and driving the innovation and disruption, And their stock will perform magnificently in the next several years.


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I thought they are (or have) started a new plant where I live. I'm all for that not happening, though.
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Originally Posted By Misque*******⏩
Still no reason to upgrade from AM4
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Semiconductor industry crew. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time. Intel is 2-3 years behind TSMC in technology, and their latest attempt to catch up let to 10% of their CPUs being physically defective. They just slashed R&D to the bone andlaid off 20,000 workers,so I don't know how they will catch up. I am willing to bet that they declare Chapter 11 within 2 years.
I thought a company is Bullish when they do massive lay offs.
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Originally Posted By OffwhiteBrah⏩
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Holy fuk. People are retarded.

So many companies are laying off and going out of business it's insane. Intel going down though like this is pretty wild. Can't fall behind in tech I guess.
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I don't think they're done, I just don't think it's good short or medium term.

It is strategically important for the US to maintain chip fab capacity. Bet they get bailed out like GM.
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
However barriers to entry have decreased as the market has opened up. Used to be the only big market was CPUs, now there are phone chips, GPUs, AI chips, server/cloud chips etc. So probably expect lower barriers to entry (good for Intel) but lower margins for the leader (bad for Intel, if they ever retake first place, which is unlikely in my mind).
It's still an uber high-moat field. There's not more than 2 or 3 competitors in each of the CPU, mobile, server, and GPU space, and the last startup to join their ranks was pry Qualcomm in the late 90s.

You're either a $100B+ market cap player in the semi field or you're nothing. It just takes so much overhead to build a competitive product. There's a saying in industry that "the first chip costs a billion dollars, the second chip costs fifty cents".
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they could just take a knee and use TSMC like everyone else.
They already are. Which is pathetic when you already own $100B of fabs.
Originally Posted By CRYSULLY⏩
I thought a company is Bullish when they do massive lay offs.
It's situational. In Intel's case, they either need to catch up to TSMC on the leading node or die as a company (all the big money in semis is on the leading node). Firing their entire R&D staff isn't going to get them caught up, so it's a super bad look.
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Originally Posted By OffwhiteBrah⏩
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Brutal lol
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Originally Posted By FA*******⏩
Semiconductor industry crew. The writing has been on the wall for this for a long time. Intel is 2-3 years behind TSMC in technology, and their latest attempt to catch up let to 10% of their CPUs being physically defective. They just slashed R&D to the bone and laid off 20,000 workers, so I don't know how they will catch up. I am willing to bet that they declare Chapter 11 within 2 years.
10% is like the absolute best case optimist la la land dream scenario for intel LMAO
ALL their 11th, 13th, and 14th gen chips are affected. All.
It's just a matter of time if you have one of these before they break.

I think intel goes to 0 in the next few years.
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I bought Intel at 19.80 today. We will see. Just my Robinhood "play" account, not enough to hurt if it tanks further.
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Originally Posted By JackyChin⏩
I'm not sure how they would catch up in AI.

Their whole competitive advantage was in dominating the CPU market. Windows OS was designed for Intel chips. With 10x the revenue of their closest competitor it was easy for them to fund 10x the R&D and stay well ahead.

Now that's all been flipped in favor of NVIDIA. But Intel has the added disadvantage of a creaking 50+ yr old bureaucracy.

However barriers to entry have decreased as the market has opened up. Used to be the only big market was CPUs, now there are phone chips, GPUs, AI chips, server/cloud chips etc. So probably expect lower barriers to entry (good for Intel) but lower margins for the leader (bad for Intel, if they ever retake first place, which is unlikely in my mind).
i dont understand how the richest chip manufacturer cant keep up. they need to fire their management, hire new talent, and go back to the drawing board

intel's move has been "add more power" for like 6 years
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I've done a lot of things right, and a lot of things wrong. I'm just glad I sold my INTC back in April or so, I consider that to be one of the things I did right. It was 33% of my portfolio for a time, srs.

EDIT: I think it was May, so not the best move, but way better than seeing it drop to $19 lol.
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INTC is an American institution and is backed by israel so I doubt America will let it go out of business, they just gave INTC $9 billion and they are trying to onshore American semi manufacturing, a lot of chip makers get their chips from TSMC.
Originally Posted By kusok⏩
You gotta be straight up retarded to invest in a company whose stock did not go up a single dollar in 25+ years,


especially when there is an Nvidia, Tesla, AMD, and some other giants out there who are actually making a profit and driving the innovation and disruption, And their stock will perform magnificently in the next several years.


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Aren't you heavily invested in tech?
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I hope Intel doesn't go under. Biden and Harris administration hasn't been all that smart with Intel as i was reading earlier. They gave the company close to 9 billion dollars. Now Intel is letting go 15,000 employees.


‘It’s Nuts!’: Fox Business’ Charles Payne Unloads On Biden-Harris Admin’s Economic Policies As Market Tanks

https://dailycaller.com/2024/08/05/f...-market-tanks/

....“The main focus here was all the money that not only did Biden and Harris pump into the economy that continue to gush in. And ironically they brag about things like the Inflation Reduction Act. That’s stoking inflation! They brag about all the money they’re giving the world, to the richest corporations, to build factories here. Well guess what? We gave $8.5 billion to Intel and you know what we got in return? They’re gonna get rid of 15,000 workers. Is that smart? Is that really brilliant? Is that what should really be done with taxpayer money, stoking inflation and losing jobs? It’s nuts!” (RELATED: ‘Gaffe After Gaffe After Gaffe’: Charles Payne Explodes At Panelist Over Biden’s ‘Frustrating’ Blunders)

“What you’re seeing right now in the stock market is what Americans have been feeling for the past three years. It’s just a manifestation of it right now,” Payne continued.
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Originally Posted By ParsleyTea⏩
I hope Intel doesn't go under. Biden and Harris administration hasn't been all that smart with Intel as i was reading earlier. They gave the company close to 9 billion dollars. Now Intel is letting go 15,000 employees.


‘It’s Nuts!’: Fox Business’ Charles Payne Unloads On Biden-Harris Admin’s Economic Policies As Market Tanks

https://dailycaller.com/2024/08/05/f...-market-tanks/

....“The main focus here was all the money that not only did Biden and Harris pump into the economy that continue to gush in. And ironically they brag about things like the Inflation Reduction Act. That’s stoking inflation! They brag about all the money they’re giving the world, to the richest corporations, to build factories here. Well guess what? We gave $8.5 billion to Intel and you know what we got in return? They’re gonna get rid of 15,000 workers. Is that smart? Is that really brilliant? Is that what should really be done with taxpayer money, stoking inflation and losing jobs? It’s nuts!” (RELATED: ‘Gaffe After Gaffe After Gaffe’: Charles Payne Explodes At Panelist Over Biden’s ‘Frustrating’ Blunders)

“What you’re seeing right now in the stock market is what Americans have been feeling for the past three years. It’s just a manifestation of it right now,” Payne continued.
People keep saying this because they have no financial sense lol.

Imagine if INTC didnt get $9 billion, how many people would they be laying off and what would be their prospects for survival?

INTC collects $9 billion, lays off 15,000 people and then cuts their dividend. Sure, this seems stupid to the general population, the government and retail INTC investors but to me, it shows INTC is doing what is necessary to provide 30,000 jobs, bring back an even bigger dividend and survive for its shareholders.
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When the CEO starts quoting Bible versus on his Twitter....something is afoot

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When the CEO starts quoting Bible versus on his Twitter....something is afoot

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