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08-08-2024, 07:32 PM
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Blood test, High cholesterol, should I be concerned?
This is what they wrote.
“Total cholesterol and LDL high otherwise normal bloodwork. Follow low-fat low-cholesterol diet and exercises. Normal liver, kidney, electrolytes, thyroid, blood count. No diabetes or prediabetes.”
Cholesterol: 211mg/dl (normal <200)
HDL cholesterol: 54mg/dl (normal 40-59)
% HDL cholesterol: 25%
VLDL: 15mg/dl (normal <31)
LDL: 142mg/dl (normal <100)
Could my high cholesterol be from eating eggs and breakfast sausage/bacon every day? I’m not going on a low fat diet lol
“Total cholesterol and LDL high otherwise normal bloodwork. Follow low-fat low-cholesterol diet and exercises. Normal liver, kidney, electrolytes, thyroid, blood count. No diabetes or prediabetes.”
Cholesterol: 211mg/dl (normal <200)
HDL cholesterol: 54mg/dl (normal 40-59)
% HDL cholesterol: 25%
VLDL: 15mg/dl (normal <31)
LDL: 142mg/dl (normal <100)
Could my high cholesterol be from eating eggs and breakfast sausage/bacon every day? I’m not going on a low fat diet lol
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08-08-2024, 07:59 PM
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08-08-2024, 08:01 PM
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Doesn't look bad.
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
08-08-2024, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
Triglyceride was 77mg/dl
Doesn't look bad.
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
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08-08-2024, 08:10 PM
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breakfast sausage and bacon every day? I dunno about that bro. just a guess but it might be some fatty liver disease or pre-fatty liver disease. From what I read excess cholesterol is caused by the liver, at least.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
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08-08-2024, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted By eatliftskate⏩
unfortunately in Canada we use mmol/l so not sure if 77 is bad or not, but look up lipid ratios that's what doctors mostly use to assess cardiovascular risks using framingham's risk calculator..at least in Canada
Triglyceride was 77mg/dl
08-08-2024, 08:12 PM
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Its not from the eggs its from the fkn bacon and sausage every day lmao.
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08-08-2024, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
Liver is fine.
breakfast sausage and bacon every day? I dunno about that bro. just a guess but it might be some fatty liver disease or pre-fatty liver disease. From what I read excess cholesterol is caused by the liver, at least.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
AST 32 U/L (normal <50)
Bilirubin .59mg/dl (normal <1.20)
Albumin 4.9 (normal 3.5-5.2)
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08-08-2024, 08:22 PM
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Mainstream doctors generally know that cholesterol is good for you and low cholesterol is a greater health risk.
So if any doctor tells you "LDL" is bad cholesterol and a high number means you're at risk, then never see him again.
The easiest way to see how you are doing with cholesterol is your VLDL (which is good for you), and take your triglycerides divided by your HDL. That is a much better indicator of health.
If your triglycerides divided by HDL is under 2.0, then you are good.
Never follow a low cholesterol diet. That's not even logical in medical terms. Every cell in your body has cholesterol. Notice how everything else is functioning perfectly? BUT YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DIET BECAUSE THIS ARBITRARY NUMBER IS HIGH! The medical industry is so fukked.
So if any doctor tells you "LDL" is bad cholesterol and a high number means you're at risk, then never see him again.
The easiest way to see how you are doing with cholesterol is your VLDL (which is good for you), and take your triglycerides divided by your HDL. That is a much better indicator of health.
If your triglycerides divided by HDL is under 2.0, then you are good.
Never follow a low cholesterol diet. That's not even logical in medical terms. Every cell in your body has cholesterol. Notice how everything else is functioning perfectly? BUT YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DIET BECAUSE THIS ARBITRARY NUMBER IS HIGH! The medical industry is so fukked.
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08-08-2024, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted By DolphinPilot⏩
Fatty liver is usually caused by insulin sensitivity, not fatty foods.
breakfast sausage and bacon every day? I dunno about that bro. just a guess but it might be some fatty liver disease or pre-fatty liver disease. From what I read excess cholesterol is caused by the liver, at least.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
I wouldn't skip the eggs, though.
I've spent 8 months eating 70% fat and 30% protein, 2-3lbs of meat every day, butter on everything, cooked in tallow, and almost zero carbs and am in the best health of my life. The medical industry will say I should be dead with a heart attack.
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08-08-2024, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Interesting. On spread with you, brah.
Mainstream doctors generally know that cholesterol is good for you and low cholesterol is a greater health risk.
So if any doctor tells you "LDL" is bad cholesterol and a high number means you're at risk, then never see him again.
The easiest way to see how you are doing with cholesterol is your VLDL (which is good for you), and take your triglycerides divided by your HDL. That is a much better indicator of health.
If your triglycerides divided by HDL is under 2.0, then you are good.
Never follow a low cholesterol diet. That's not even logical in medical terms. Every cell in your body has cholesterol. Notice how everything else is functioning perfectly? BUT YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DIET BECAUSE THIS ARBITRARY NUMBER IS HIGH! The medical industry is so fukked.
So if any doctor tells you "LDL" is bad cholesterol and a high number means you're at risk, then never see him again.
The easiest way to see how you are doing with cholesterol is your VLDL (which is good for you), and take your triglycerides divided by your HDL. That is a much better indicator of health.
If your triglycerides divided by HDL is under 2.0, then you are good.
Never follow a low cholesterol diet. That's not even logical in medical terms. Every cell in your body has cholesterol. Notice how everything else is functioning perfectly? BUT YOU NEED TO CHANGE YOUR DIET BECAUSE THIS ARBITRARY NUMBER IS HIGH! The medical industry is so fukked.
VLDL is within normal range and triglycerides/HDL is 1.42 so it sounds like I’m good.
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08-08-2024, 08:32 PM
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08-08-2024, 08:35 PM
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if concerned
read about naicin and fishoil
that can tackle moderate increase in cholestrol.
in the ass
read about naicin and fishoil
that can tackle moderate increase in cholestrol.
in the ass
08-08-2024, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted By lnvictus⏩
Not sure why people continue to trot out this myth. High ldl is causal for coronary artery disease irrespective of any other markers. It's been extensively studied at this point. Check out the PESA trial.
Doesn't look bad.
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
It's the high tris and low HDL combo is bad
OP, up your fiber intake and eliminate the bacon and sausage at least.
08-08-2024, 08:45 PM
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Same boat
Cut out sodium I guess and eat cleaner
Cut out sodium I guess and eat cleaner
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08-08-2024, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted By Kiop⏩
Just started taking fish oil
if concerned
read about naicin and fishoil
that can tackle moderate increase in cholestrol.
in the ass
read about naicin and fishoil
that can tackle moderate increase in cholestrol.
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08-08-2024, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted By EireGunner⏩
lol I put salt on everything
Same boat
Cut out sodium I guess and eat cleaner
Cut out sodium I guess and eat cleaner
Sodium was within normal range tho
142 mmol/L (normal 136-145)
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08-08-2024, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
There is not one single study that says that lmao.
Not sure why people continue to trot out this myth. High ldl is causal for coronary artery disease irrespective of any other markers. It's been extensively studied at this point. Check out the PESA trial.
OP, up your fiber intake and eliminate the bacon and sausage at least.
OP, up your fiber intake and eliminate the bacon and sausage at least.
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08-08-2024, 09:29 PM
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your chol is more than fine especially if you exercise correctly (i.e don't overtrain) and are normal-high T
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08-08-2024, 09:34 PM
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My advice is to not take nutrition advice from retards on the misc (including me)
For some reason miscers correlate eating red meat with masculinity and being a red blooded alpha male. Food has been politicized so much that these retards will ignore any evidence that goes against their beliefs
Talk to your doctor srs, your LDL is slightly high and can be reduced by some lifestyle and dietary changes. I bought mine down from 173 to 90 by just reducing my red meat and egg intake. Was eating almost a pound of red meat daily for a year and my ldl skyrocketed
This is a great article by docs (Austin Baraki and Jordan Feigenbaum) that actually lift and mog all miscers
https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog...isconceptions/
For some reason miscers correlate eating red meat with masculinity and being a red blooded alpha male. Food has been politicized so much that these retards will ignore any evidence that goes against their beliefs
Talk to your doctor srs, your LDL is slightly high and can be reduced by some lifestyle and dietary changes. I bought mine down from 173 to 90 by just reducing my red meat and egg intake. Was eating almost a pound of red meat daily for a year and my ldl skyrocketed
This is a great article by docs (Austin Baraki and Jordan Feigenbaum) that actually lift and mog all miscers
https://www.barbellmedicine.com/blog...isconceptions/
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08-08-2024, 09:38 PM
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If you can’t fix your levels threw diet there’s cholesterol pills for that . I take them daily
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08-08-2024, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
Yeah I was going to say I read high cholesterol is caused by excess carb intake… but I wasn't 100% on that.
Fatty liver is usually caused by insulin sensitivity, not fatty foods.
I've spent 8 months eating 70% fat and 30% protein, 2-3lbs of meat every day, butter on everything, cooked in tallow, and almost zero carbs and am in the best health of my life. The medical industry will say I should be dead with a heart attack.
I've spent 8 months eating 70% fat and 30% protein, 2-3lbs of meat every day, butter on everything, cooked in tallow, and almost zero carbs and am in the best health of my life. The medical industry will say I should be dead with a heart attack.
It's funny a lot of people I know (who are visibly overweight and unhealthy, by the way..) are always talking about cutting out red meat, staying away from eggs, "I gotta lower my cholesterol" It reminds me of this:
I bet that's a big slab of tofu on his skillet there
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08-08-2024, 09:43 PM
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Originally Posted By DeadlyStriker⏩
https://www.jacc.org/doi/10.1016/j.jacc.2021.05.011
There is not one single study that says that lmao.
08-08-2024, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
Yep this is a great paper
Not sure why people continue to trot out this myth. High ldl is causal for coronary artery disease irrespective of any other markers. It's been extensively studied at this point. Check out the PESA trial.
OP, up your fiber intake and eliminate the bacon and sausage at least.
OP, up your fiber intake and eliminate the bacon and sausage at least.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...320?via%3Dihub
But of course the shirtless man yelling in the grocery store (Paul Saladino) and Shawn Baker say this is bs, so I must believe it
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08-08-2024, 10:53 PM
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My cholesterol was super high about a year ago.
It was legit 5.5 (0.00-3.0) range
Im pretty lean as well so it was a shock.
Anyways, i got to 2.3 within 7 weeks (srs) by running every second day, no red meat, chicken/fish only, no take-out, no booze, no milk, no chocolate/sugary chit, lots of greens, lots of oats
It was legit 5.5 (0.00-3.0) range
Im pretty lean as well so it was a shock.
Anyways, i got to 2.3 within 7 weeks (srs) by running every second day, no red meat, chicken/fish only, no take-out, no booze, no milk, no chocolate/sugary chit, lots of greens, lots of oats
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08-08-2024, 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted By Rebel012⏩
Good paper, probably not that readable though for the general population.
I agree with others the diet link is only partly to blame as it seems peoples' risk of atherosclerosis is strongly tied to genetics, so it's a game of "poking the bear", where if you have the risk factor, then do the wrong thing, you get bitten.
Imaging studies are the most useful tool there is in determining if the number correlates to vascular changes, thankfully they're readily accessible now and will show changes by 50yo in most cases. It makes the decision to treat or drastically change things much more palatable when you're going off something you can see rather than just an extrapolation from blood tests.
Those suffering familial hypercholesterolaemia are unable to do much at all to lower their numbers and will develop early cardiovascular disease without intervention. Most of the genes responsible aren't known. There must be some spectrum in the middle where your numbers aren't great and if you do eat too much of the wrong thing, don't exercise, etc your numbers will be chit. Then there are the blessed- those that can eat all they want, sit on their azz, and still have numbers near the optimal range. The same seems to go for insulin sensitivity; see the strong genetic preference for diabetes in certain racial sub-groups.
Almost universally when you image people in their 50's with sub-optimal numbers (particularly high LDL or trig, with low HDL), you see significant plaque burden. Those same people usually end up having events within 10-15 years thereafter.
My numbers are good eating 4+ eggs/day and not huge amounts of meat thankfully. I know others who do the same as me but are a bit older, have high LDL, and when imaged, had extensive coronary disease.
08-09-2024, 08:48 AM
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I think cholesterol is a scam to get you hooked on some drugs.
You cant test it at home and have no way to tell if its high or low or whatever. You have to be compliant, take the meds and do as your told.
The reason I think this is most men naturally dont go to the doctor. They just tough it out or whatever.
That means that from a doctors perspective, 50% of the population is not using their services, paying for their daughters new condo or taking the drugs the tell you to take.
To counter this when a man goes to the doctor, almost every time they will walk out with cholesterol pills, high blood pressure pills and sleep apnea machines.
These are considered the easy things to get you hooked on. Once you are in the system and compliantly taking them, they can just start giving you whatever pills they get the biggest kickbacks from that month.
Next up will be some type 2 diabetes because that needs a whole bunch of pills.
Have you ever heard of someone coming off all those pills? Rarely if they lose a bunch of weight or the like. Even then its not a given.
If they can get you on some form of disability then they have won. Look around at home many grown healthy men are on disability. Why?
Factories werent super dengerous all this time were they? of course not. Its just a label they fell in to because they listened to another man tell them what to think.
You cant test it at home and have no way to tell if its high or low or whatever. You have to be compliant, take the meds and do as your told.
The reason I think this is most men naturally dont go to the doctor. They just tough it out or whatever.
That means that from a doctors perspective, 50% of the population is not using their services, paying for their daughters new condo or taking the drugs the tell you to take.
To counter this when a man goes to the doctor, almost every time they will walk out with cholesterol pills, high blood pressure pills and sleep apnea machines.
These are considered the easy things to get you hooked on. Once you are in the system and compliantly taking them, they can just start giving you whatever pills they get the biggest kickbacks from that month.
Next up will be some type 2 diabetes because that needs a whole bunch of pills.
Have you ever heard of someone coming off all those pills? Rarely if they lose a bunch of weight or the like. Even then its not a given.
If they can get you on some form of disability then they have won. Look around at home many grown healthy men are on disability. Why?
Factories werent super dengerous all this time were they? of course not. Its just a label they fell in to because they listened to another man tell them what to think.
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08-09-2024, 09:12 AM
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I personally have a dim view of cholesterol testing. I feel it is a poor predictor of heart disease. there are other better theories for the cause of heart attacks.
With that said it is the top heart disease concern of many, their cholesterol levels. I know for me back when I was testing my cholesterol levels I would always have low testing levels. That probably was due to me spending time outside, getting some sensible sun exposure. Sun exposure can lower cholesterol levels, sometimes dramatically from what I've read. Sun exposure also has been found in studies to help lower the risk of having a heart attack but by other means than lowering cholesterol levels.
With that said it is the top heart disease concern of many, their cholesterol levels. I know for me back when I was testing my cholesterol levels I would always have low testing levels. That probably was due to me spending time outside, getting some sensible sun exposure. Sun exposure can lower cholesterol levels, sometimes dramatically from what I've read. Sun exposure also has been found in studies to help lower the risk of having a heart attack but by other means than lowering cholesterol levels.
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