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03-29-2024, 04:07 AM
#271
03-29-2024, 04:09 AM
#272
Originally Posted By DevilMayRage⏩
I disagree….MISC is waiting Wincel.
Just stop by Home Depot for supplies, make it a special day where you finally crawl from the basement.
Just stop by Home Depot for supplies, make it a special day where you finally crawl from the basement.
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
You took that seriously?
Let's see if this post gets him banned..
Come on Pat… everybody knows wincel isn't capable of coming out of his basement
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 04:10 AM
#273
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Search his posts.. they're all like that. Wonder why left leaning posters keep getting multiple bans for very, very minor offenses while people like this violate the rules in almost every post and get ignored.
You took that seriously?
Come on Pat… everybody knows wincel isn't capable of coming out of his basement
Come on Pat… everybody knows wincel isn't capable of coming out of his basement
Weird..
03-29-2024, 04:28 AM
#274
Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
What… is it not true though? I thought it was common knowledge that wincel can't come out of his basement.
Search his posts.. they're all like that. Wonder why left leaning posters keep getting multiple bans for very, very minor offenses while people like this violate the rules in almost every post and get ignored.
Weird..
Weird..
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 04:55 AM
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Originally Posted By NYPat⏩
I see as many right leaning posters get banned as left leaning, possibly more. Unless you have some numbers to back it up I’m just gonna attribute that claim to your bias, which is easily seen in pretty much all of your posts.
Search his posts.. they're all like that. Wonder why left leaning posters keep getting multiple bans for very, very minor offenses while people like this violate the rules in almost every post and get ignored.
Weird..
Weird..
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03-29-2024, 05:07 AM
#276
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Do you think there should be an investigation into these treatments occurring without consent?
God damn but wincel loves him some trannies!
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
03-29-2024, 05:09 AM
#277
https://www.nationalreview.com/corne...-for-children/
As the Biden administration and deeply ideological publications such as the New England Journal of Medicine push for treating children with gender dysphoria with nothing but affirmation — and castigate mental-health treatment for gender dysphoria, considering it equivalent to “conversion therapy” — less politicized institutions in other liberal societies are hitting the brakes.
Contrary to the Biden administration’s and gender activists’ assertions that the science is settled — there is a paucity of studies on the best approach to caring for gender-dysphoric children (my emphasis).
The National Board of Health and Welfare has previously, based on, among other things, data from SBU, the Swedish National Agency for Medical and Social Evaluation, concluded that systematic documentation and follow-up of care does not take place to a sufficient extent and that the scientific data is insufficient to assess the effects of puberty-inhibiting and gender-sensitive hormone therapy of children and young people.
The need for good clinical studies is clear from the knowledge gaps listed by SBU. Follow-up and evaluation was something we emphasized already in the knowledge support in 2015, and since then very little knowledge has been added. It is important that the health- and medical-care regions work to ensure that systematic documentation and follow-up of care at the national level is realized and that clinical studies can start,” says Thomas Lindén.
The board also wants to cut back on what activists call “top surgeries,” that is mastectomies of children:
There is also a recommendation regarding breast surgery (surgical removal of breast tissue). Similar to the hormonal treatments, the assessment is that such treatment should continue to be given within the framework of research, and that, pending the onset of a research study, it can be given in exceptional cases, according to the criteria contained in the knowledge support.
“As with the previously presented recommendations on hormone therapy, the uncertain state of knowledge suggests caution at present,” says Thomas Lindén.
The Swedes also note the explosion in cases and the “detransition” phenomenon:
Several factors have pointed towards increased caution in offering hormonal and surgical treatment: insufficient scientific evidence, a yet-to-be-explained increase in the number of people being diagnosed, especially 13–17 years old and with registered sex female at birth, less uniform experience-based knowledge among participating experts than in 2015, and the documented prevalence of detransition.
This recommendation makes clear that, despite the caterwauling of gender-ideology warriors, there is no general scientific agreement — much less certainty — on how to best care for children with gender dysphoria, nor is there currently the depth of knowledge or the kind of systematically collected evidence required to assume that certainty. The recent spike in cases warrants an investigation as it may indicate a social contagion, akin to how youth suicide can sometimes proliferate.
But this is something we already knew…or at least those of us who weren’t brainwashed. Go back 10-15 years and have this conversation and everyone here, even the most adamant leftist, would’ve agreed that those types of interventions should not be administered to kids and teens. Yet fast forward to today, and the cult/brainwashing/demoralizing machine has caused tons of people to lose sight of common sense(and decency).
And to add to the social contagion aspect(which is obvious), I think there are a lot of therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists who are much more quick to make that diagnosis now due to the social climate. Similar to ADHD. Diagnosis skyrocketed because it was such an easy label to throw on people. Of course, there are some more sinister aspects at play as well…but the readiness to diagnose it as transgenderism instead of getting to the real root of the problem. The result??
Within a few years of their country adopting the Dutch protocol in 2011, however, Finnish researchers noticed a sharp rise in the number of patients referred for services. Most of these patients were teenage girls with no history of dysphoria in childhood, and some 68% had a history of severe psychopathology prior to the emergence of their gender-related distress. During this same time period, the U.K.’s largest pediatric gender clinic, at the Tavistock Centre, witnessed a 3,360% surge in patient referrals between 2009 and 2018. Most of the new patients were females—whose representation in the clinic rose 4,400% during this time frame—with a history of serious psychological problems and no gender dysphoria prior to adolescence.
As the Biden administration and deeply ideological publications such as the New England Journal of Medicine push for treating children with gender dysphoria with nothing but affirmation — and castigate mental-health treatment for gender dysphoria, considering it equivalent to “conversion therapy” — less politicized institutions in other liberal societies are hitting the brakes.
Contrary to the Biden administration’s and gender activists’ assertions that the science is settled — there is a paucity of studies on the best approach to caring for gender-dysphoric children (my emphasis).
The National Board of Health and Welfare has previously, based on, among other things, data from SBU, the Swedish National Agency for Medical and Social Evaluation, concluded that systematic documentation and follow-up of care does not take place to a sufficient extent and that the scientific data is insufficient to assess the effects of puberty-inhibiting and gender-sensitive hormone therapy of children and young people.
The need for good clinical studies is clear from the knowledge gaps listed by SBU. Follow-up and evaluation was something we emphasized already in the knowledge support in 2015, and since then very little knowledge has been added. It is important that the health- and medical-care regions work to ensure that systematic documentation and follow-up of care at the national level is realized and that clinical studies can start,” says Thomas Lindén.
The board also wants to cut back on what activists call “top surgeries,” that is mastectomies of children:
There is also a recommendation regarding breast surgery (surgical removal of breast tissue). Similar to the hormonal treatments, the assessment is that such treatment should continue to be given within the framework of research, and that, pending the onset of a research study, it can be given in exceptional cases, according to the criteria contained in the knowledge support.
“As with the previously presented recommendations on hormone therapy, the uncertain state of knowledge suggests caution at present,” says Thomas Lindén.
The Swedes also note the explosion in cases and the “detransition” phenomenon:
Several factors have pointed towards increased caution in offering hormonal and surgical treatment: insufficient scientific evidence, a yet-to-be-explained increase in the number of people being diagnosed, especially 13–17 years old and with registered sex female at birth, less uniform experience-based knowledge among participating experts than in 2015, and the documented prevalence of detransition.
This recommendation makes clear that, despite the caterwauling of gender-ideology warriors, there is no general scientific agreement — much less certainty — on how to best care for children with gender dysphoria, nor is there currently the depth of knowledge or the kind of systematically collected evidence required to assume that certainty. The recent spike in cases warrants an investigation as it may indicate a social contagion, akin to how youth suicide can sometimes proliferate.
But this is something we already knew…or at least those of us who weren’t brainwashed. Go back 10-15 years and have this conversation and everyone here, even the most adamant leftist, would’ve agreed that those types of interventions should not be administered to kids and teens. Yet fast forward to today, and the cult/brainwashing/demoralizing machine has caused tons of people to lose sight of common sense(and decency).
And to add to the social contagion aspect(which is obvious), I think there are a lot of therapists, psychologists, and psychiatrists who are much more quick to make that diagnosis now due to the social climate. Similar to ADHD. Diagnosis skyrocketed because it was such an easy label to throw on people. Of course, there are some more sinister aspects at play as well…but the readiness to diagnose it as transgenderism instead of getting to the real root of the problem. The result??
Within a few years of their country adopting the Dutch protocol in 2011, however, Finnish researchers noticed a sharp rise in the number of patients referred for services. Most of these patients were teenage girls with no history of dysphoria in childhood, and some 68% had a history of severe psychopathology prior to the emergence of their gender-related distress. During this same time period, the U.K.’s largest pediatric gender clinic, at the Tavistock Centre, witnessed a 3,360% surge in patient referrals between 2009 and 2018. Most of the new patients were females—whose representation in the clinic rose 4,400% during this time frame—with a history of serious psychological problems and no gender dysphoria prior to adolescence.
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03-29-2024, 05:13 AM
#278
There can never be informed consent if the patient can’t be informed.
The files provide clear evidence that doctors and therapists are aware they are offering minors life-changing treatments they cannot fully understand.
The files provide clear evidence that doctors and therapists are aware they are offering minors life-changing treatments they cannot fully understand.
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03-29-2024, 05:18 AM
#279
Referral for care isn't referral for hormones and surgery.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
"
What are the criteria for use of puberty blockers?
In most cases, to begin using puberty blockers, an individual needs to:
- Show a lasting pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.
- Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty.
- Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with the treatment.
- Be able to understand the treatment and agree to have it. This is called informed consent.
-Puberty blockers are not recommended for children who have not started puberty.
In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20459075
My understanding is that the OP says the above is not what's happening.
Imo, there should be an investigation of (inexperienced/untrained) professionals who are not following standards of care nor obtaining consent.
In most cases, to begin using puberty blockers, an individual needs to:
- Show a lasting pattern of gender nonconformity or gender dysphoria.
- Have gender dysphoria that began or worsened at the start of puberty.
- Address any psychological, medical or social problems that could interfere with the treatment.
- Be able to understand the treatment and agree to have it. This is called informed consent.
-Puberty blockers are not recommended for children who have not started puberty.
In most cases, youth aren't old enough to get medical treatment without a parent, guardian or other caregiver's permission. This is called medical consent. For those who haven't reached the age of medical consent, a parent, guardian or caregiver often needs to agree to the use of puberty blockers. Parent and family support and encouragement also has been shown to be an important part of boosting mental health and well-being throughout this treatment."
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/art-20459075
My understanding is that the OP says the above is not what's happening.
Imo, there should be an investigation of (inexperienced/untrained) professionals who are not following standards of care nor obtaining consent.
03-29-2024, 05:24 AM
#280
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
How TF is that even a question?
Do you think there should be an investigation into these treatments occurring without consent?
If a doctor treats anything without consent there should - and probably would be an investigation. Beside the point of my post that you quoted though…
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
God damn but wincel loves him some trannies!
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 05:27 AM
#281
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
How TF is that even a question?
If a doctor treats anything without consent there should - and probably would be an investigation. Beside the point of my post that you quoted though…
If a doctor treats anything without consent there should - and probably would be an investigation. Beside the point of my post that you quoted though…
neg him and move on.
03-29-2024, 05:27 AM
#282
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Okay cool.
How TF is that even a question?
If a doctor treats anything without consent there should - and probably would be an investigation. Beside the point of my post that you quoted though…
If a doctor treats anything without consent there should - and probably would be an investigation. Beside the point of my post that you quoted though…
That's the topic of the thread
03-29-2024, 05:29 AM
#283
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't give AF.
Okay cool.
That's the topic of the thread
That's the topic of the thread
Doesn't change what I said though…
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
God damn but wincel loves him some trannies!
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 05:35 AM
#284
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Well yeah. Some folks like to discuss topics, others prefer to discuss Internet strangers. Everybody's different
I don't give AF.
Doesn't change what I said though…
Doesn't change what I said though…
03-29-2024, 05:38 AM
#285
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
I am passionate about the defense of the oppressed and marginalized, and I will throw down with anyone anywhere to defend such people because that is what being an American is SUPPOSED to mean.
God damn but wincel loves him some trannies!
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
A worthless homebound drain on the ass of society whose entire life revolves around playing video games and the misc… but he'll throw TF down with you over trannies!
I guess everybody should be passionate about something though lol.
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03-29-2024, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Well the most marginalized and oppressed people in America today are straight white males and Asians, so thanks for your support!!
I am passionate about the defense of the oppressed and marginalized, and I will throw down with anyone anywhere to defend such people because that is what being an American is SUPPOSED to mean.
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03-29-2024, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Just pointing out how unhappy it looks. But why is it so unhappy? 8 million net worth, finally the man she always knew she was, but looks beyond drained, and depressed.
Amazing how you have such an opinion and judgment over his life. Have you ever met him? How is his gender identity your business, Dave?
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03-29-2024, 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
False, but I do call out racism against whites when I see it. My best friend is white, after all.
Well the most marginalized and oppressed people in America today are straight white males and Asians, so thanks for your support!!
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03-29-2024, 05:44 AM
#289
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Whoa, a nine year ago old consented and the parent consented….. So it's all good to give a nine year old puberty blockers…..
Do you think there should be an investigation into these treatments occurring without consent?
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03-29-2024, 05:47 AM
#290
Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
So you're passionate about defending the mentally ill? Someone whos Bi-Polar should be celebrated?
I am passionate about the defense of the oppressed and marginalized, and I will throw down with anyone anywhere to defend such people because that is what being an American is SUPPOSED to mean.
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03-29-2024, 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
That's really not your business, Dave.
Just pointing out how unhappy it looks. But why is it so unhappy? 8 million net worth, finally the man she always knew she was, but looks beyond drained, and depressed.
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03-29-2024, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
Bipolar people should be defended and treated with dignity. Yes, Dave. Rather than stone them and throw them from the cliffs. This is 2024. This is not a fascist civilization. Humans have rights. I realize this is a shocker for you, a cop. But try.
So you're passionate about defending the mentally ill? Someone whos Bi-Polar should be celebrated?
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03-29-2024, 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
He asked if they should be celebrated.
Bipolar people should be defended and treated with dignity. Yes, Dave. Rather than stone them and throw them from the cliffs. This is 2024. This is not a fascist civilization. Humans have rights. I realize this is a shocker for you, a cop. But try.
03-29-2024, 05:52 AM
#294
Originally Posted By uneducated⏩
Boy please.. you're passionate about the misc and video games. And the only thing you'll ever throw down on is your steady diet of Mountain Dew and Doritos.
I am passionate about the defense of the oppressed and marginalized, and I will throw down with anyone anywhere to defend such people because that is what being an American is SUPPOSED to mean.
Delusions of grandeur much?
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 05:53 AM
#295
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
That's the narrative.
Well the most marginalized and oppressed people in America today are straight white males and Asians, so thanks for your support!!
Unfortunately, the data are lacking
03-29-2024, 05:54 AM
#296
Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
If your is argument is that it's not, why?
Whoa, a nine year ago old consented and the parent consented….. So it's all good to give a nine year old puberty blockers…..
03-29-2024, 05:55 AM
#297
Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
Which is a silly conflation of acceptance and tolerance with celebration.
He asked if they should be celebrated.
03-29-2024, 05:56 AM
#298
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Asians are being attacked all across the country. This is a known fact, and the data is not lacking.
That's the narrative.
Unfortunately, the data are lacking
Unfortunately, the data are lacking
"Do you think S actually felt like that was a sxual thing he was doig? he's like. Only an actual p3do would thik that she thought he was groping her, too."
"Not that it's impossibl to touch a minor inapproriately, but it is true that a 6 year old girl will not recognie someone putting a hand on their chest as roping, whether it is inappropriat or not."
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03-29-2024, 05:58 AM
#299
Originally Posted By Bushmaster⏩
Then share some.
Asians are being attacked all across the country. This is a known fact, and the data is not lacking.
There was a of attaching during covid. Racists gon racist.
03-29-2024, 06:01 AM
#300
Originally Posted By Polaris⏩
If there is reason to celebrate them. There are many famous bipolar people.
He asked if they should be celebrated.
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