10-18-2023, 06:32 PM
#3001
Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
To be honest I'm not the right person to ask since I never cared about anything other than actually playing.. I don't know much about chit like gear or even setting up guitars.. Same with cars, don't know about engines, parts and models.. I just know that I love to drive whatever you put in front of me as long as it works.
Even back as a teen I had a line 6 gearbox and just used software but it was soooo fuking chit, sounded like ass.. Then I got the pod hd500x which is still the GOATest piece of guitar equipment ever invented but it was too powerful for me so I got the axe fx.. Maybe I'm just drawn to digital cause I'm a lazy kunt
Even back as a teen I had a line 6 gearbox and just used software but it was soooo fuking chit, sounded like ass.. Then I got the pod hd500x which is still the GOATest piece of guitar equipment ever invented but it was too powerful for me so I got the axe fx.. Maybe I'm just drawn to digital cause I'm a lazy kunt
I'm much the same. The closest I've ever gotten to actually being a gear head was experimenting with the effects on my AVT100 run through a few pedals. But, I think something like Axe-Fx is worth getting because of the insane tweakbility and nuance and quality of sounds you can acquire.
I mean, I've heard people sitting on their beds filming crappy YT vids getting album quality sounds. I think it would pay dividends to invest a bit of study into figuring out how this works.
Don't mind rollerball btw. He's just a nazi POS who thinks I can't post in here because I don't own a guitar ATM.
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10-18-2023, 06:44 PM
#3002
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
*snicker*
"I'm a master of abstruse jazz theory."
No one respects a fraud.
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10-18-2023, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Yes, it's why I loved Allan too and can listen to his stuff over and over and always find something new. I used to love studying the most abstruse elements of jazz theory and believe me it gets complex. Even at its most abstract, I found something that Holdsworth had incorporated.
I read an interview where he said he saw little LEDS in his mind that showed the scale pathways, and he had his own system for categorizing scales. He always sounded like he invented his own scales, like his runs didn't even sound human or fitting within any known musical concept.
You just can't capture him with rules or theory. He knows rules and theory, of course, and that helps him go beyond rules and theory into pure creativity without being discordant or lawless. It's a form of outside-sound that springboards off traditional music theory but isn't just playing whatever, either. It's difficult to put into words, it's like a highly refined aesthetic sense of when and where you can stray beyond the bounds of "rules".
That's why this type of jazz has elements which I think simply can't be taught.
I read an interview where he said he saw little LEDS in his mind that showed the scale pathways, and he had his own system for categorizing scales. He always sounded like he invented his own scales, like his runs didn't even sound human or fitting within any known musical concept.
You just can't capture him with rules or theory. He knows rules and theory, of course, and that helps him go beyond rules and theory into pure creativity without being discordant or lawless. It's a form of outside-sound that springboards off traditional music theory but isn't just playing whatever, either. It's difficult to put into words, it's like a highly refined aesthetic sense of when and where you can stray beyond the bounds of "rules".
That's why this type of jazz has elements which I think simply can't be taught.
As you can see, I never said I was a "master" of any jazz theory. I said I studied it and admired its complexity and saw Holdsworth employing some of the highly abstract ideas in his outside form of playing.
Wonder why he had to lie about what I said?
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10-18-2023, 06:55 PM
#3004
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Lmao this dumb f*ggot here somehow can't comprehend how he's obviously pretending to know more than he does here. What a complete loser unworthy of any respect whatsoever, not to mention he smears sh*t on walls. Srs.
I used to love studying the most abstruse elements of jazz theory and believe me it gets complex. Even at its most abstract, I found something that Holdsworth had incorporated.
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10-18-2023, 06:56 PM
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Lol. Remember this Fraudy.
Originally Posted By adimare⏩
As I said, it was good on you to admit no prior knowledge of the concept instead of pretending like you knew about it so I was just gonna leave it at that, but now you seem to be implying that you were unable to answer only because I didn't provide enough context…
If you only had 3 days to learn the most basic ways to get to the I chord in a jazz context, on day 1 you'd learn about the ii-V-I, on day 2 you'd learn about tritone substitutions, and on day 3 you'd learn about backdoor ii-Vs. z4 recognized the progression I posted immediately without me having to "provide extra musical context" as you'd expect from anyone who's spent even a tiny bit of time playing jazz. What you're doing is like claiming you need more context to identify what's going on in a Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 progression and it is completely incompatible with someone who has claimed to have studied "the most abstruse elements of jazz theory".
If you only had 3 days to learn the most basic ways to get to the I chord in a jazz context, on day 1 you'd learn about the ii-V-I, on day 2 you'd learn about tritone substitutions, and on day 3 you'd learn about backdoor ii-Vs. z4 recognized the progression I posted immediately without me having to "provide extra musical context" as you'd expect from anyone who's spent even a tiny bit of time playing jazz. What you're doing is like claiming you need more context to identify what's going on in a Dm7 G7 Cmaj7 progression and it is completely incompatible with someone who has claimed to have studied "the most abstruse elements of jazz theory".
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10-18-2023, 06:58 PM
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Lol or this.
Originally Posted By z4v4⏩
Not to beat a dead horse, but the criticism is they claim you said, "I've studied the most abstruse elements of jazz theory, and believe me it gets complex."
If you said that, which I can't recall exactly but it does sound pretty close, then a 20-year gap wouldn't matter because no abstruse jazz theory has been discussed in this thread. If you want abstruse pick up A Chromatic Approach to Jazz Harmony and Melody by Liebman.
Sorry bro, but it is sound. Both a ii-V-I and a backdoor ii-V-I start on a minor chord, but when you see Dmi7 G7 Cma7 you see it as complete and know immediately that the Dmi7 is a ii chord with no context needed.
The reason why Dmi7 G7 Ama7 doesn't similarly immediately jump out to you is because you were not familiar with the backdoor. His point was that both progressions are common in standards and should be vanilla to those steeped in the abstruse.
If you said that, which I can't recall exactly but it does sound pretty close, then a 20-year gap wouldn't matter because no abstruse jazz theory has been discussed in this thread. If you want abstruse pick up A Chromatic Approach to Jazz Harmony and Melody by Liebman.
Sorry bro, but it is sound. Both a ii-V-I and a backdoor ii-V-I start on a minor chord, but when you see Dmi7 G7 Cma7 you see it as complete and know immediately that the Dmi7 is a ii chord with no context needed.
The reason why Dmi7 G7 Ama7 doesn't similarly immediately jump out to you is because you were not familiar with the backdoor. His point was that both progressions are common in standards and should be vanilla to those steeped in the abstruse.
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10-18-2023, 06:59 PM
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Or when Dom suggested you learn the Circle of Fifths Mr. Avid studying of Abstruse Jazz theory and trust me it gets complex. LMAO.
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Save that on your phone and look at it every day until it becomes automatic. Relative minor is a minor 3rd down (C-A, G-E, etc.)
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10-18-2023, 07:01 PM
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Cept I passed all the music theory quizzes, including the latest one. Took me a minute to get the question about the more complex substitution, but got it regardless.
Little nazi jerks behind keyboards who like to start internet fights, not even once.
Little nazi jerks behind keyboards who like to start internet fights, not even once.
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10-18-2023, 07:02 PM
#3009
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Trust me I would beat your fukking ass in rl too you little fraud lol. Get fukking rekt lmao.
I lie about everything.
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10-18-2023, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Trust me I would beat your fukking ass in rl too you little fraud lol. Get fukking rekt lmao.
You've never gone near a weight in your life, you little nazi loser. The only thing you'd beat is your 3 inch dick to a box of tentacle porn, lol. Why don't you go back to your autism-tier fantasies about putting blacks and homos into giant ovens instead of popping off on the internet?
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10-18-2023, 07:05 PM
#3011
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Lmao what f*ggot ass response that was, wtf who references "3 inch dick tentacle porn" you fukking freak lol. And we both know you are 100% a little bitch, you exude bitchery lol.
You've never gone near a weight in your life, you little nazi loser. The only thing you'd beat is your 3 inch dick to a box of tentacle porn, lol. Why don't you go back to your autism-tier fantasies about putting blacks and homos into giant ovens instead of popping off on the internet?
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10-18-2023, 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
That's impressive. A big part of Mal's tone along with his technique was Gretsch Firebird + Filtertron + heavy strings with a wound 3rd + playing ridiculously loud while you've got a Charvel superstrat with light strings and hotter pickups like you said. Good job.
Here's a brief attempt using a stock plexi tone on the FM3 and I tried to futz with the controls but I suspect my bridge pickup is just way too hot to produce that sound, also not easy getting that kerrang sound.
For some reason the FM3 signal was clipping in my PC.
For some reason the FM3 signal was clipping in my PC.
10-18-2023, 11:31 PM
#3013
Originally Posted By Bodhy⏩
Anyone can post here. I've seen a few people come and go and when they were banned I'd check their recent post history and it didn't always make great reading.
Don't mind rollerball btw. He's just a nazi POS who thinks I can't post in here because I don't own a guitar ATM.
I think the most important thing right now is actually getting a guitar in your hands.
10-19-2023, 08:27 AM
#3014
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Here's a quick take with a NAM profile
SwimToTheFractal
I'd like to put the challenge to you millennial digital nuthugging cucks. Who can get closest to an old 60s/70s Marshall?
I'm talking 60s plexi through 70s 1959 SLP / JMP 2203. Early AC/DC tone. No slick production like Youtuber shills with their fancy DAW plugins and double tracking that makes everything sound the same and no riding the volume knob — pick attack should go from clean to distorted with the kerrang of a nasty old Marshall. Just a phone recording playing power chords, riffs, blues, whatever you want. Who's in?
I want to see how close digital can get to this.
I'd like to put the challenge to you millennial digital nuthugging cucks. Who can get closest to an old 60s/70s Marshall?
I'm talking 60s plexi through 70s 1959 SLP / JMP 2203. Early AC/DC tone. No slick production like Youtuber shills with their fancy DAW plugins and double tracking that makes everything sound the same and no riding the volume knob — pick attack should go from clean to distorted with the kerrang of a nasty old Marshall. Just a phone recording playing power chords, riffs, blues, whatever you want. Who's in?
I want to see how close digital can get to this.
https://voca.ro/17X47hzZ3h0R
10-19-2023, 10:11 AM
#3015
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Nicely done. Which amp profile did you use?
10-19-2023, 11:49 AM
#3016
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
It's from a 1959HW clone:
Nicely done. Which amp profile did you use?
https://tonehunt.org/brianbuckles/8c...7-3b073f00a39e
10-19-2023, 12:00 PM
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10-19-2023, 12:50 PM
#3018
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Very impressed by how close you can get with these. Same goes for rollerball's FM3. If you were allowed to play loud and had dummy Marshall cabs on stage I don't think many would be able to tell the difference.
I've got a pretty big Marshally sound going here but I'd have to do a bit of tweaking to get closer to that Live Wire tone which is pretty stripped back and lacking low end which sounds much better in a mix with the bass. With IRs vs a real cabinet it's a lot easier to share that sound because you can just directly record it like you did there. With a real cabinet and IRs disabled you get a much bigger sound in the room but how you record it will have a big influence on how someone who wasn't actually there evaluates it.
AC/DC's tone changed a lot over the years. That early tone was raw and I don't think they even cared about tuning — they'd just tune to whoever started playing the riff. The last of the 3 albums with Mutt Lange in 1981 got pretty dark but I love that tone a lot. I don't think the amps were any different and the earliest JCM 800s were probably in use by that time especially given how much Mutt Lange used them on everything else, but I suspect the darker tone was all about mic placement and overall production.
10-19-2023, 01:02 PM
#3019
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
The raw energy those guys brought was just awesome!
Very impressed by how close you can get with these. Same goes for rollerball's FM3. If you were allowed to play loud and had dummy Marshall cabs on stage I don't think many would be able to tell the difference.
I've got a pretty big Marshally sound going here but I'd have to do a bit of tweaking to get closer to that Live Wire tone which is pretty stripped back and lacking low end which sounds much better in a mix with the bass. With IRs vs a real cabinet it's a lot easier to share that sound because you can just directly record it like you did there. With a real cabinet and IRs disabled you get a much bigger sound in the room but how you record it will have a big influence on how someone who wasn't actually there evaluates it.
AC/DC's tone changed a lot over the years. That early tone was raw and I don't think they even cared about tuning — they'd just tune to whoever started playing the riff. The last of the 3 albums with Mutt Lange in 1981 got pretty dark but I love that tone a lot. I don't think the amps were any different and the earliest JCM 800s were probably in use by that time especially given how much Mutt Lange used them on everything else, but I suspect the darker tone was all about mic placement and overall production.
I've got a pretty big Marshally sound going here but I'd have to do a bit of tweaking to get closer to that Live Wire tone which is pretty stripped back and lacking low end which sounds much better in a mix with the bass. With IRs vs a real cabinet it's a lot easier to share that sound because you can just directly record it like you did there. With a real cabinet and IRs disabled you get a much bigger sound in the room but how you record it will have a big influence on how someone who wasn't actually there evaluates it.
AC/DC's tone changed a lot over the years. That early tone was raw and I don't think they even cared about tuning — they'd just tune to whoever started playing the riff. The last of the 3 albums with Mutt Lange in 1981 got pretty dark but I love that tone a lot. I don't think the amps were any different and the earliest JCM 800s were probably in use by that time especially given how much Mutt Lange used them on everything else, but I suspect the darker tone was all about mic placement and overall production.
I've never played through an actual Marshall, but these captures are making me want to. NAM was supposed to be a gas cure
10-19-2023, 01:11 PM
#3020
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
A good testimonial for why amp builders shouldn't see modeling gear as all bad news — when you find tones you really like you're probably going to want the real thing one day. When I went balls deep in the Two Notes stuff I discovered which speakers I really like and how speakers that are polarizing like V30s can sound great when paired with greenbacks for example.
I've never played through an actual Marshall, but these captures are making me want to. NAM was supposed to be a gas cure
Anyway I think I've hit my gear talk quota before SwimToTheFractal negs me. Even if your world is digital it's good to know more about the actual gear the tones you like are built on.
10-19-2023, 01:13 PM
#3021
Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
It's just so crazy that this is free!
A good testimonial for why amp builders shouldn't see modeling gear as all bad news — when you find tones you really like you're probably going to want the real thing one day. When I went balls deep in the Two Notes stuff I discovered which speakers I really like and how speakers that are polarizing like V30s can sound great when paired with greenbacks for example.
Anyway I think I've hit my gear talk quota before SwimToTheFractal negs me. Even if your world is digital it's good to know more about what the actual gear the tones you like are actually built on.
Anyway I think I've hit my gear talk quota before SwimToTheFractal negs me. Even if your world is digital it's good to know more about what the actual gear the tones you like are actually built on.
The guy who did the '78 2203 went all out:
My real cab is a Bogner oversize 212 with V30's and I love it with my MkIV. I wonder how it'd sound mixed with a greenback in there….
10-19-2023, 01:30 PM
#3022
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The NAM stuff actually sounds pretty decent. I will never really warm up to PC plugins/software but it's nice that they're improving in quality in terms of amp profiling.
It's just so crazy that this is free!
The guy who did the '78 2203 went all out:
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My real cab is a Bogner oversize 212 with V30's and I love it with my MkIV. I wonder how it'd sound mixed with a greenback in there….
The guy who did the '78 2203 went all out:
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My real cab is a Bogner oversize 212 with V30's and I love it with my MkIV. I wonder how it'd sound mixed with a greenback in there….
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10-19-2023, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
The fact that you have to work with a snapshot and can't really adjust anything is limiting.
The NAM stuff actually sounds pretty decent. I will never really warm up to PC plugins/software but it's nice that they're improving in quality in terms of amp profiling.
I've been looking at Tonex, Kemper, Strymon Iridium, Helix floor XL, and the FM3 or FM9.
A big mix of modelers and profilers/sims.
These days I'm only playing and recording at home (quietly) and all of the above could easily fit into that use case.
What's nice about the NAM is that it's free to test the waters and experiment.
I profiled my amp and use that most often. Up next, I want to get a good IR of my cabinet.
10-19-2023, 03:16 PM
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10-19-2023, 03:25 PM
#3025
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
There are a lot of high quality options these days in the modeling and profiling hardware world.
The fact that you have to work with a snapshot and can't really adjust anything is limiting.
I've been looking at Tonex, Kemper, Strymon Iridium, Helix floor XL, and the FM3 or FM9.
A big mix of modelers and profilers/sims.
These days I'm only playing and recording at home (quietly) and all of the above could easily fit into that use case.
What's nice about the NAM is that it's free to test the waters and experiment.
I profiled my amp and use that most often. Up next, I want to get a good IR of my cabinet.
I've been looking at Tonex, Kemper, Strymon Iridium, Helix floor XL, and the FM3 or FM9.
A big mix of modelers and profilers/sims.
These days I'm only playing and recording at home (quietly) and all of the above could easily fit into that use case.
What's nice about the NAM is that it's free to test the waters and experiment.
I profiled my amp and use that most often. Up next, I want to get a good IR of my cabinet.
I love the FM3 for the convenience of immediate access to incredible tones and combination of world class amp modeling and effects modeling and that you can plug it directly into a PC for recording without an interface but the UI is a bit much.
But I had the HX Stomp and didn't really like that interface either. I also thought the FM3 had distinctly better tones and feel.
Are you the type of player who sticks with one or two amps or do you like to switch between a wide variety of amps and effects?
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10-19-2023, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
I'm all over the place.
There are a lot of high quality options these days in the modeling and profiling hardware world.
I love the FM3 for the convenience of immediate access to incredible tones and combination of world class amp modeling and effects modeling and that you can plug it directly into a PC for recording without an interface but the UI is a bit much.
But I had the HX Stomp and didn't really like that interface either. I also thought the FM3 had distinctly better tones and feel.
Are you the type of player who sticks with one or two amps or do you like to switch between a wide variety of amps and effects?
I love the FM3 for the convenience of immediate access to incredible tones and combination of world class amp modeling and effects modeling and that you can plug it directly into a PC for recording without an interface but the UI is a bit much.
But I had the HX Stomp and didn't really like that interface either. I also thought the FM3 had distinctly better tones and feel.
Are you the type of player who sticks with one or two amps or do you like to switch between a wide variety of amps and effects?
One outlet for me is using stem separation on songs I like (diversity lives here) and then replacing the guitars with me. So flexibility in copping toanz is key. I think both modeling and profiling can do this.
But, I also record originals and want to get the sounds in my head recorded. Profiling doesn't let you turn knobs, modeling does.
I see modeling in my future. I think I mostly need(ed) to experience fake amps sounding good when recorded.
The fractal vs line6 debate rages on, so I really appreciate you sharing FM3 and Stomp impressions :ccol:
10-19-2023, 03:47 PM
#3027
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Fractal, imo, has better tone and effects but majority of people seem to prefer the Helix/HX UI.
I'm all over the place.
One outlet for me is using stem separation on songs I like (diversity lives here) and then replacing the guitars with me. So flexibility in copping toanz is key. I think both modeling and profiling can do this.
But, I also record originals and want to get the sounds in my head recorded. Profiling doesn't let you turn knobs, modeling does.
I see modeling in my future. I think I mostly need(ed) to experience fake amps sounding good when recorded.
The fractal vs line6 debate rages on, so I really appreciate you sharing FM3 and Stomp impressions :ccol:
One outlet for me is using stem separation on songs I like (diversity lives here) and then replacing the guitars with me. So flexibility in copping toanz is key. I think both modeling and profiling can do this.
But, I also record originals and want to get the sounds in my head recorded. Profiling doesn't let you turn knobs, modeling does.
I see modeling in my future. I think I mostly need(ed) to experience fake amps sounding good when recorded.
The fractal vs line6 debate rages on, so I really appreciate you sharing FM3 and Stomp impressions :ccol:
If price isn't a huge deterrent you might want to look into the Fender modeling unit that just came out. It kinda has a "next gen" vibe about it. It's expensive but after watching videos about it I actually don't find the price that outlandish.
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10-19-2023, 03:51 PM
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Jamming to a backing track as we speak
Anyone can post here. I've seen a few people come and go and when they were banned I'd check their recent post history and it didn't always make great reading.
I think the most important thing right now is actually getting a guitar in your hands.
I think the most important thing right now is actually getting a guitar in your hands.
No man has the right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable.
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10-21-2023, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
Talk about an soon to be oversaturated market lol.
JLC, have you seen this?
Free and $149 paid version.
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