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01-16-2024, 04:56 PM
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01-16-2024, 05:03 PM
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Yo brehs… How can I connect a microphone (shure sm57) with the axe fx and record two channels, guitar and mic, at the same time? Do I need to get something like this? https://www.m-audio.com/m-track-duo
Fukk that absolute garbage, get this in its place.

https://apogeedigital.com/product/ap...phony-desktop/

Or this.

https://www.rme-usa.com/madiface-xt.html
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01-16-2024, 07:15 PM
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fuuark i have the one channel version somewhere but I can't find it
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Fukk that absolute garbage, get this in its place.

https://apogeedigital.com/product/ap...phony-desktop/

Or this.

https://www.rme-usa.com/madiface-xt.html
and why the **** would I pay those prices nikuh?
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01-16-2024, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted By SwimToTheMoon⏩
fuuark i have the one channel version somewhere but I can't find it


and why the **** would I pay those prices nikuh?
Because you're a grown ass man with a grown ass job and you use an Axe-FX III? Why use bullchit when you can use chit that will make you happier?
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01-16-2024, 07:31 PM
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Because you're a grown ass man with a grown ass job and you use an Axe-FX III? Why use bullchit when you can use chit that will make you happier?
Bro I'm most likely gonna record 2 songs with it and never use it again.. Wanna try some chit.. I think I might have the voice of an angel
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01-16-2024, 08:24 PM
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Bro I'm most likely gonna record 2 songs with it and never use it again.. Wanna try some chit.. I think I might have the voice of an angel
anything less than this is absolute garbage

https://www.amazon.com/Antelope-Audi.../dp/B08HR9VLGW
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01-16-2024, 08:27 PM
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anything less than this is absolute garbage

https://www.amazon.com/Antelope-Audi.../dp/B08HR9VLGW
That's what I'm talking about
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01-17-2024, 10:01 PM
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Correction though - I think hybrid picking is cheating when the guitarist uses it instead of learning how to do proper alternate picking upstrokes.
I definitely get it. Nothing you have said about pickers resorting to hybrid isn't anything I didn't say myself back in the shred days, like verbatim, lol.

Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Mancuso has developed an entire system on that classical/flamenco technique - he isn’t taking the shortcut that I accuse hybrid-pickers taking (the ones who can’t actually alternate pick).
I just meant it more in the way that people who play classical growing up and then switch to electric usually grab a pick and hit reset instead of taking a nylon approach on electric.

I think it's fascinating that he learned by copying his dad's fingerstyle and started on electric, was influenced by electric players, but decided at that young of an age that he's more comfortable with fingerstyle and fukk electric tradition - he's going to do it his way. That's just super rare to have that kind of individuality at that age and not cave, so to speak.


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To further my own hypocrisy though, I’ve started to hybrid pick for use in legato lines and for country style snapping of the strings lol.
Yeah, it's super easy to laze it up and just start throwing it in on legato lines, lol. Sometimes the right hand just wants to chill.

Speaking of hypocrisy, I finally dipped my feet into a hardware modeler and picked up an FM3. I have to say: HO. LEE. ****. After playing it for 30 minutes, I fired off an email and put my name on the FM9 waitlist.

I heard a lot of crying about the UI, but that has gotta be one of the easiest pieces of digital gear I've ever had to program, and then when you start using FM3-Edit, it's ridiculously user friendly.
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01-18-2024, 10:20 AM
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Lord have mercy…

Matteo in an incredible guitarist, among the younger generation he's the only person I see that has truly innovated on the electric guitar a la Shawn Lane, Malmsteen, Van Halen. Dude's technique is ridiculous
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01-18-2024, 12:39 PM
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I think it's fascinating that he learned by copying his dad's fingerstyle and started on electric, was influenced by electric players, but decided at that young of an age that he's more comfortable with fingerstyle and fukk electric tradition - he's going to do it his way. That's just super rare to have that kind of individuality at that age and not cave, so to speak.
That's where the link to Holdsworth is for me.

No one was doing legato like AH in the 70s. Di Meola, Mclaughlin, etc. were all picking every note as fast as they could. He didn't go to a music school (Berklee) like Di Meola. His father wouldn't buy him a saxophone, he saw the electric guitar as a tool "like a screwdriver," and away he went trying to replicate the tone, attack, and fluidity of Coltrane and co. on an electric guitar with distortion.

After Tony Williams Lifetime, Jean Luc Ponty, UK, Bruford, the Bannister Effect kicked in. Once guitarists saw it was a viable method for soloing on an electric guitar they started trying to copy his approach. Some didn't get very far but took what they needed to approximate it like Satriani, EVH (on 1984), etc.

The same will happen with Mancuso. Guitarists born in the last 10-15 years with the benefit of time and neuroplasticity can go all in trying to copy him since they know it's a viable method but unlike Holdsworth for most of his career pre-internet there wasn't a glut of crystal clear free instructional videos, tab, and so on breaking it down which is why you'd hear the likes of Gambale, Garsed, Vai, and others saying they had no idea what he was doing. It's too late for older generations who perhaps backed the wrong horse technique wise for what they're trying to do. In that case just sit back and admire it.

Btw I enjoyed the way you broke down the technique in the last couple of posts. It is appreciated.
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01-18-2024, 02:05 PM
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I definitely get it. Nothing you have said about pickers resorting to hybrid isn't anything I didn't say myself back in the shred days, like verbatim, lol.



I just meant it more in the way that people who play classical growing up and then switch to electric usually grab a pick and hit reset instead of taking a nylon approach on electric.

I think it's fascinating that he learned by copying his dad's fingerstyle and started on electric, was influenced by electric players, but decided at that young of an age that he's more comfortable with fingerstyle and fukk electric tradition - he's going to do it his way. That's just super rare to have that kind of individuality at that age and not cave, so to speak.




Yeah, it's super easy to laze it up and just start throwing it in on legato lines, lol. Sometimes the right hand just wants to chill.

Speaking of hypocrisy, I finally dipped my feet into a hardware modeler and picked up an FM3. I have to say: HO. LEE. ****. After playing it for 30 minutes, I fired off an email and put my name on the FM9 waitlist.

I heard a lot of crying about the UI, but that has gotta be one of the easiest pieces of digital gear I've ever had to program, and then when you start using FM3-Edit, it's ridiculously user friendly.
Yeah that is a great point. The confidence and commitment for Mancuso to just stick with the finger style technique and apply it broadly in manner that has not been done before with the exception of Lenny Breau is just as extraordinary as his abilities imo.

The FM3 is amazing, and continues to get more amazing years after I bought it due to Fractal FW updates.
There are days when I’m all about my ENGL tube amp but then there are days where I complete forget about it in favor of the FM3.
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01-19-2024, 10:46 AM
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Newest release from ESP/LTD similarly inspired design to my custom Mr. Scary guitar that Lynch built. Pretty cool guitar.

https://www.espguitars.com/products/...l-desert-eagle
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01-19-2024, 10:51 AM
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Newest release from ESP/LTD similarly inspired design to my custom Mr. Scary guitar that Lynch built. Pretty cool guitar.

https://www.espguitars.com/products/32059-gl-desert-eagle
One of the ugliest guitars I’ve ever seen. I really can’t stand George Lynch lol.
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01-19-2024, 11:08 AM
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One of the ugliest guitars I’ve ever seen. I really can’t stand George Lynch lol.
Rollerball always choosing violence ITT lmao
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01-19-2024, 11:11 AM
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Rollerball always choosing violence ITT lmao
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01-19-2024, 04:10 PM
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My current effort is this one:



Using only NAM

Starting with a 70's 2203
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01-19-2024, 07:21 PM
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Howdy p….

Keep up the good work.
Yep….guitar is hard and requires focus and discipline over time.

I'm just the opposite and just a rhythm player/song writer.

Carry on.
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01-20-2024, 08:39 AM
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Without Joe's lessons as a beginner does Vai get into Berklee and on Frank Zappa's radar which led to Alcatrazz, Crossroads movie, and DLR?

And without Vai's fame and influence, does guitar teacher Joe get a record deal, Ibanez endorsement, Dimarzio, D'Addario, magazine covers, etc. and viable career as a solo artist?

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01-20-2024, 02:05 PM
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My current effort is this one:



Using only NAM

Starting with a 70's 2203
Quick take with fake/free amps

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01-21-2024, 07:29 AM
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That's where the link to Holdsworth is for me.

No one was doing legato like AH in the 70s. Di Meola, Mclaughlin, etc. were all picking every note as fast as they could. He didn't go to a music school (Berklee) like Di Meola. His father wouldn't buy him a saxophone, he saw the electric guitar as a tool "like a screwdriver," and away he went trying to replicate the tone, attack, and fluidity of Coltrane and co. on an electric guitar with distortion.

After Tony Williams Lifetime, Jean Luc Ponty, UK, Bruford, the Bannister Effect kicked in. Once guitarists saw it was a viable method for soloing on an electric guitar they started trying to copy his approach. Some didn't get very far but took what they needed to approximate it like Satriani, EVH (on 1984), etc.

The same will happen with Mancuso. Guitarists born in the last 10-15 years with the benefit of time and neuroplasticity can go all in trying to copy him since they know it's a viable method but unlike Holdsworth for most of his career pre-internet there wasn't a glut of crystal clear free instructional videos, tab, and so on breaking it down which is why you'd hear the likes of Gambale, Garsed, Vai, and others saying they had no idea what he was doing. It's too late for older generations who perhaps backed the wrong horse technique wise for what they're trying to do. In that case just sit back and admire it.

Btw I enjoyed the way you broke down the technique in the last couple of posts. It is appreciated.
For sure. It will be interesting as to what the look of right hand technique in fusion will be in the future because I think different+great attracts more people than common+great does, so many young players will be influenced to work on that approach.

Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Yeah that is a great point. The confidence and commitment for Mancuso to just stick with the finger style technique and apply it broadly in manner that has not been done before with the exception of Lenny Breau is just as extraordinary as his abilities imo.
Indeed. In order to be different+great one has to go through different+shiitty before one can become different+great, so dude must have taken a lot of shiit from his rock peers during his formative years but he stuck it out.

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The FM3 is amazing, and continues to get more amazing years after I bought it due to Fractal FW updates.
There are days when I’m all about my ENGL tube amp but then there are days where I complete forget about it in favor of the FM3.
Yeah, just wish it would allow 2 amp blocks. Amp blocks don't seem too CPU intensive as compared to cab blocks, and 2 amp blocks + 1 cab block, and maybe a reverb and drive shouldn't peak it past 80%.

I suppose people would pile blocks on and constantly get muted audio and CPU warnings and then rip Fractal on forums and potentially damage their reputation, but it would be nice to have the option to run 2 relatively dry amp blocks.

Originally Posted By CherryPopinski⏩
Newest release from ESP/LTD similarly inspired design to my custom Mr. Scary guitar that Lynch built. Pretty cool guitar.

https://www.espguitars.com/products/...l-desert-eagle
That guitar would be cool af if it were 1982 again.
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01-21-2024, 03:04 PM
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Can't believe this thread is still running…

Brahs, I am thinking about learning the bass. I played low brass in high school, listened to way too much Rush in high school, and told myself that one day after college ended, I'd learn the bass. I have never played guitar or chit before, but know basic high school band type theory.

What is a good beginner bass, that I could turn around and sell easily if I don't end up being into it? I don't mind paying a little more for an instrument if I can get my money back out of it.
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01-21-2024, 10:18 PM
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Yeah, just wish it would allow 2 amp blocks. Amp blocks don't seem too CPU intensive as compared to cab blocks, and 2 amp blocks + 1 cab block, and maybe a reverb and drive shouldn't peak it past 80%.
I’m surprised the newer FM3 Turbo still can’t do 2 amp blocks.

Tbh the FM3 seems to hit max CPU load rather quickly even compared to the previous gen Axe FX II.

The amps and cabs feel better on my FM3 but the effects and ability to layer more of them is something I miss about the Axe FX II.

I mainly use the FM3 for these very dry, simple chains with usually jusr some kind of plexi into cab into a smidgeon of delay and dash of reverb.
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Can't believe this thread is still running…

Brahs, I am thinking about learning the bass. I played low brass in high school, listened to way too much Rush in high school, and told myself that one day after college ended, I'd learn the bass. I have never played guitar or chit before, but know basic high school band type theory.

What is a good beginner bass, that I could turn around and sell easily if I don't end up being into it? I don't mind paying a little more for an instrument if I can get my money back out of it.
I picked up the bass this year and I enjoy it, I can actually play those main riffs in YYZ lol.

Imo the Sire U5 is fantastic for the money. Easy to play, so you’re fighting your own inexperience as opposed to fighting the bass, and it sounds and looks great imo.

I tried out some basses a few days ago at Guitar Center and didn’t like any of them till they hit like $1500 and I thought my U5 still felt slightly better at $450ish.

Sires are well regarded and should not be hard to sell as long as you keep it in good shape.

Get one of those and an Ampeg BA108 imo.
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Recently got a Martin 000-JR10 for $599 OTD.
It’s obviously a 000 shape but smaller seeming and with all solid woods which is nice for a Martin at this price range.

Here’s me plunking away on it with a somewhat abrasive pick. I think it’s a strong price point.

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Originally Posted By Dominik⏩
That's where the link to Holdsworth is for me.

No one was doing legato like AH in the 70s. Di Meola, Mclaughlin, etc. were all picking every note as fast as they could. He didn't go to a music school (Berklee) like Di Meola. His father wouldn't buy him a saxophone, he saw the electric guitar as a tool "like a screwdriver," and away he went trying to replicate the tone, attack, and fluidity of Coltrane and co. on an electric guitar with distortion.

After Tony Williams Lifetime, Jean Luc Ponty, UK, Bruford, the Bannister Effect kicked in. Once guitarists saw it was a viable method for soloing on an electric guitar they started trying to copy his approach. Some didn't get very far but took what they needed to approximate it like Satriani, EVH (on 1984), etc.

The same will happen with Mancuso. Guitarists born in the last 10-15 years with the benefit of time and neuroplasticity can go all in trying to copy him since they know it's a viable method but unlike Holdsworth for most of his career pre-internet there wasn't a glut of crystal clear free instructional videos, tab, and so on breaking it down which is why you'd hear the likes of Gambale, Garsed, Vai, and others saying they had no idea what he was doing. It's too late for older generations who perhaps backed the wrong horse technique wise for what they're trying to do. In that case just sit back and admire it.

Btw I enjoyed the way you broke down the technique in the last couple of posts. It is appreciated.


Listen to the line at 5.24:





It sounds so outside and unorthodox but still so wonderfully musical. Of course, Holdsworth had a ridiculous reach which allowed him to play massively spanning angular lines which would break the fingers of a mortal man.


Besides, his very mode of thought is pretty alien. Have you seen his REH video? He talks about his approach to music there and his whole manner of thinking. He also didn't do pull offs in his legato runs either, everything was hammer ons, even descending lines. Then of course his sliding out of key by a semitone and right back in again, stuff that doesn't really lend itself to an explicit tonal analysis, but sounds cool as feck anyway.

So many little nuances in his playing which made him so stand out.
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Originally Posted By rollerball⏩
Recently got a Martin 000-JR10 for $599 OTD.
It’s obviously a 000 shape but smaller seeming and with all solid woods which is nice for a Martin at this price range.

Here’s me plunking away on it with a somewhat abrasive pick. I think it’s a strong price point.

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Martin's are nice, I intend to own one someday. There's a mom & pop shop I visit every time I'm in Texas (where I got my big Gibson SJ200) and they have a dark sunburst D-18 that plays and sounds amazing.
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Martin's are nice, I intend to own one someday. There's a mom & pop shop I visit every time I'm in Texas (where I got my big Gibson SJ200) and they have a dark sunburst D-18 that plays and sounds amazing.
Those are great guitars but I’m a rosewood guy over mahogany. D28 all the way.
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Those are great guitars but I’m a rosewood guy over mahogany. D28 all the way.
They have a D28 there that was awesome as well. I want a mahogany one, dem darker tones. My taylor is super bright. I've been toying with a J45 Gibby, but I think I liked the D18 more, and it's less money, too
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I’m surprised the newer FM3 Turbo still can’t do 2 amp blocks.

Tbh the FM3 seems to hit max CPU load rather quickly even compared to the previous gen Axe FX II.

The amps and cabs feel better on my FM3 but the effects and ability to layer more of them is something I miss about the Axe FX II.

I mainly use the FM3 for these very dry, simple chains with usually jusr some kind of plexi into cab into a smidgeon of delay and dash of reverb.
In a preset, I can get about 8 effect blocks (not counting cab/amp) to run 8 scenes and hit about 70% running in series. It seems that blocks, even if they are inactive for a scene, still are eating up CPU space so that scene changes within a preset are gapless, I guess.

I haven't yet built a present with a bunch of chorus voices, multiplexer, and ultra-high reverbs, though. I found out that the amp, cab, and delay blocks are on the second core which isn't displayed as part of the the CPU usage meter, so maybe the single amp block pings the shiit out of that core and there's not enough room to allocate for another amp block.

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Of course, Holdsworth had a ridiculous reach which allowed him to play massively spanning angular lines which would break the fingers of a mortal man.

Besides, his very mode of thought is pretty alien. Have you seen his REH video?
Dude, I'm pretty sure Dom saw that video before you were born.


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Then of course his sliding out of key by a semitone and right back in again, stuff that doesn't really lend itself to an explicit tonal analysis, but sounds cool as feck anyway.
That's called side-slipping, and a tonal analysis can't get any more explicit than that. It's quite literally, "Yeah, man. Now play that same shiit again, but play that shiit up a half-step, man. Yeah, that's it, man."
Deepfat: "I guarantee I beat you by at least 6 strokes. Afterwards, I'll slide my thick conservative cawk in your old lady just to finish the job."

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