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03-14-2018, 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted By Hoyer4MVP
Can you confidently say we have fixed any of our plentiful issues?

MAYBE we fixed the center position. We still have holes at both guard positions, receiving depth, all linebacker positions (not knowing wtf is going to happen with Foster), cornerback, pass rusher and starting running back.

This could all work out in the end but this is a team ready to win now with a ton of cap space and John Lynch is acting like he has Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck and it’ll all work itself out regardless of the talent around them.
Honestly I think they've fixed almost all the positions I thought they would address in free agency. I'd expect a LB and another corner to be signed and not much else. There really isn't much left out there regarding guards.
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03-14-2018, 10:07 AM
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I'm not saying it was a bad signing, I was saying they paid too much for McKinnon. If you're a 49ers fan you should be excited. They're putting pieces together to make a very competitive team.
From an outsiders perspective it looks like they are going to be taking over their division IMO.
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03-14-2018, 10:22 AM
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From an outsiders perspective it looks like they are going to be taking over their division IMO.
Eh, I'd still say the Rams are favored to win the West.
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03-14-2018, 10:25 AM
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Can you confidently say we have fixed any of our plentiful issues?

MAYBE we fixed the center position. We still have holes at both guard positions, receiving depth, all linebacker positions (not knowing wtf is going to happen with Foster), cornerback, pass rusher and starting running back.

This could all work out in the end but this is a team ready to win now with a ton of cap space and John Lynch is acting like he has Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck and it’ll all work itself out regardless of the talent around them.
Can't say any of that because the players have to make the plays.

I have questions about our linebackers as well but it's still early and the draft can answer a lot of your concerns.

Pass rush is an issue which is why I like Landry early. Unfortunately it's a terrible FA class and not a great pass rush draft class so we'll have to get lucky or make due with what we have(not a great thought)

On paper we're already improved from last year just by guys getting healthy.

QB: Jimmy Garoppolo - he makes the offense go getting him signed was us basically winning free agency before it even started
RB: McKinnon - I hope the contract isn't as bad as it looks but he's a scheme fit and is super versatile. We'll see if he's an improvement(assuming he's even the starter) over Hyde as a rusher but he's definitely a step up as a weapon
FB: Juice - as well rounded as you get
WR: Garcon - this dude didn't even get a chance to play with Jimmy, Goodwin, Taylor and Bourne are good depth. I expect them to address it in the draft
OL: Staley, Richburg/Kilgore, Richburg/Kilgore, Garnett, Brown. Terrific interior OL depth in the draft and we'll most certainly address it then. But getting rid of Beadles alone will be a big help.
TE: Kittle, Celek and Hikutini

I'm certain we will address G, WR and TE in the draft. I was hoping we may address RB as well but with the McKinnon signing they may not think it's an urgent need.

I think we need more help on D, especially cuz Kyle and Jimmy can't help improve the play of those guys(outside of giving them more rest which is what helped us last year)
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03-14-2018, 10:56 AM
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McKinnon is not an improvement over Hyde lol

Hyde was good last year behind a chit O-line and mostly a chit QB. Hyde has been a good player in this league. McKinnon has been mostly irrelevant in this league his whole career up until last year where he got to split work with Murray because Dalvin Cook got hurt. Vikings have seen this guy for years and they still felt the need to sign Latavius Murray and draft Cook in the second round. He’s a fine receiver but that’s about it.

Tired of this “he fits the scheme” crap they keep feeding us. Get good players. Good players will make the scheme work. Obviously some players are better in certain schemes but to me it’s just a cop out for mediocre players.

As far as Sherman giving our glaring secondary issue, just remember he’s 30 years old coming off of a horrific injury.
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03-14-2018, 11:06 AM
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We got our asses kicked in Free Agency. I am in the get actual good players camp…we aren’t getting deals, McKinnon deal made me click multiple links to be sure the numbers were serious

We have a real opportunity to make things happen this season, but we are being timid. I guess we are taking the Lebron approach and hoping to have money when someone becomes available? Not sure who the people will be but great we will have tons of money thence

Shout out to Bill. Dude changed it all for us. Lynch got lucky af that was handed to him. If not, I’m not sure how this would go. Kyle could coach up a rookie QB….not sure we would get the weapons for him tho.
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03-14-2018, 11:10 AM
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I just found a list I made late last year of all the free agents I wanted and just realized we have signed 3 of them. I guess I made the list prior to us trading for Jimmy G.

Jimmy Garoppalo
Jerick McKinnon
Weston Richburg

In Lynch I trust.
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03-14-2018, 11:14 AM
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We got our asses kicked in Free Agency. I am in the get actual good players camp…we aren’t getting deals, McKinnon deal made me click multiple links to be sure the numbers were serious

We have a real opportunity to make things happen this season, but we are being timid. I guess we are taking the Lebron approach and hoping to have money when someone becomes available? Not sure who the people will be but great we will have tons of money thence

Shout out to Bill. Dude changed it all for us. Lynch got lucky af that was handed to him. If not, I’m not sure how this would go. Kyle could coach up a rookie QB….not sure we would get the weapons for him tho.
You ever think that Kyle Shannahan is fine with our current roster and believes in the young talent already there? The only guys we missed out on were Allen Robinson and the Novell guy. So did 31 other teams…

So tired of the fan base dissing on John Lynch bc he didn't sign so and so in free agency.
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03-14-2018, 11:14 AM
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I just found a list I made late last year of all the free agents I wanted and just realized we have signed 3 of them. I guess I made the list prior to us trading for Jimmy G.

Jimmy Garoppalo
Jerick McKinnon
Weston Richburg

In Lynch I trust.
I like McKinnon fine as a third down but we just paid him to be our #1. Fukkin LOL. And we already have him in Brieda.
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03-14-2018, 11:16 AM
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I like McKinnon fine as a third down but we just paid him to be our #1. Fukkin LOL
I'll wait until the real numbers to be released. Everyone thought we paid Richard Sherman a ungodly amount of money too.
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03-14-2018, 11:28 AM
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I'll wait until the real numbers to be released. Everyone thought we paid Richard Sherman a ungodly amount of money too.
If it’s more than 4 mil guaranteed it’s awful. Like I said, we have him already in Breida. What does he do any better than Breida? Not to mention that running backs grow on trees and we can find plenty of them in this draft.

Literally blows my mind that we act like we don’t want to give out big contracts to guys like Allen Robinson and more important positions at corner and guard, yet we’re fine giving out a seemingly bit contract to a back.
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03-14-2018, 11:29 AM
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You ever think that Kyle Shannahan is fine with our current roster and believes in the young talent already there? The only guys we missed out on were Allen Robinson and the Novell guy. So did 31 other teams…

So tired of the fan base dissing on John Lynch bc he didn't sign so and so in free agency.
I definitely think Shanahan believes in the roster. It’s not that he didn’t sign anyone…it’s that it’s a 0-9 team (giants gave up the game we beat them) without JG. I would like some legit pieces or talent to take the pressure from JG at times. He fell into our lap.

All this praise for Sherman is really due to the way PM worked the contract. We still don’t know how that works but we did miss on our other two attempts at CB, which I’m not too mad. Adding peters to our locker room would be a nightmare, same with Talib really.

I think the WR core is being vastly overrated. Goodwin is a great guy and getting better…but dude will drop balls, deep balls. Garçon is declining and definitely will do “numbers” as he is the number one in Shanahan system. He goes for 1200 and 8 tds it will only make me think Robinson would go 1800 for 14. Taylor is what he is…depth is all the same guy.

Trotting out JM at RB is disgusting. Who is getting tough yards for us? We are about to turn into one of those teams? Sort of feel like JM and Breida are the same damn guy too. Breida looked good last year. Would have rather kicked he tires on spray tan for a year while we try to find an actual RB.

I don’t care we missing on Johnson or Butler…way too expensive. I would have liked to spend on Norwell, but I’m praying Nelson is there for us.

I’m just saying, NFL is about opportunity. We have one right now…you waste years of contracts, youth etc forecasting too much money into next seasons. We will become Browns like with their draft strategy of trading…but we have JG so he will mask most of these missteps.

In short, lynch really hasn’t done **** yet. That’s all I’m saying. Basic GM skills and I know he’s just getting his feet wet but that’s life of a GM. IMO, he lucked into the draft day trade and one of our assests is a complete knucklehead that may have a short career. The team is young and has some talent for sure. I don’t want the NE approach because we aren’t them and it’s been proven no one is.

Edit: I shouldn’t say lucked into…but it was a incredibly odd and dumb move by Chicago. That’s not happening a lot.
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03-14-2018, 11:46 AM
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If it’s more than 4 mil guaranteed it’s awful. Like I said, we have him already in Breida. What does he do any better than Breida? Not to mention that running backs grow on trees and we can find plenty of them in this draft.

Literally blows my mind that we act like we don’t want to give out big contracts to guys like Allen Robinson and more important positions at corner and guard, yet we’re fine giving out a seemingly bit contract to a back.
From all accounts we were interested in Robinson but he never left his first visit, Chicago. Not much Lynch can do about that.

Not sure why we are bitching about not spending money on Robinson but turn around and bitch about spending money on a RB.

He got a corner and one of best ones in the league. Only guard that's been signed that would have helped was the kid from Carolina and he's now the highest paid guard in the league. No thx
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03-14-2018, 12:12 PM
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McKinnon is not an improvement over Hyde lol

Hyde was good last year behind a chit O-line and mostly a chit QB. Hyde has been a good player in this league. McKinnon has been mostly irrelevant in this league his whole career up until last year where he got to split work with Murray because Dalvin Cook got hurt. Vikings have seen this guy for years and they still felt the need to sign Latavius Murray and draft Cook in the second round. He’s a fine receiver but that’s about it.

Tired of this “he fits the scheme” crap they keep feeding us. Get good players. Good players will make the scheme work. Obviously some players are better in certain schemes but to me it’s just a cop out for mediocre players.

As far as Sherman giving our glaring secondary issue, just remember he’s 30 years old coming off of a horrific injury.
Like I said, we'll find out if he's an improvement over Hyde as a rusher. I don't know if he is but he's a better fit for the scheme.

And he's definitely a more well rounded player which is pretty important. Hyde was ok last year, I wouldn't say he was good and it sucked seeing him miss some big time throws from Jimmy.

I do think there are guys who can play well regardless of scheme but there are also guys who are great fits for a certain scheme who NEED the scheme to look really good. I don't think it's a copout for mediocrity either. Some guys aren't super well rounded studs who can play in any scheme but they have their strengths fit one scheme over another.

Quenton Nelson is a guy who isn't a perfect fit for this scheme but he's a fuking stud who can play well no matter where.

Meanwhile Mike Iupati is a total power guy and not a great fit in ZBS.

I think we have to see how this all breaks down. One thing I know is I trust Kyle Shanahan on offense especially with Jimmy G at QB. How many of us were really excited by Garcon and Goodwin at WR last year? Show of hands…

I'm definitely not thrilled with this signing especially given what the contract looks like but it's not my money and we have plenty of it. Hopefully it proves to be a great move.

Sherman has a lot to prove as well. I still hope we sign someone else because I don't trust him either. I think the contract protects us but we have to be careful so we're not out there with Ahkello and a rookie when it's all said and done.
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03-14-2018, 12:15 PM
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From all accounts we were interested in Robinson but he never left his first visit, Chicago. Not much Lynch can do about that.

Not sure why we are bitching about not spending money on Robinson but turn around and bitch about spending money on a RB.

He got a corner and one of best ones in the league. Only guard that's been signed that would have helped was the kid from Carolina and he's now the highest paid guard in the league. No thx
Because Robinson is a proven stud and McKinnon has never proven anything?

And Sherman is 30 years old coming off of a ruptured Achilles. Hardly fixing our corner problems even if he comes back to be a solid player.
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03-14-2018, 12:18 PM
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I'd be ok with Nelson depending on his contract. He could be a good weapon in the RZ in case we don't find anything in the draft.
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03-14-2018, 12:23 PM
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03-14-2018, 12:27 PM
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I definitely think Shanahan believes in the roster. It’s not that he didn’t sign anyone…it’s that it’s a 0-9 team (giants gave up the game we beat them) without JG. I would like some legit pieces or talent to take the pressure from JG at times. He fell into our lap.

All this praise for Sherman is really due to the way PM worked the contract. We still don’t know how that works but we did miss on our other two attempts at CB, which I’m not too mad. Adding peters to our locker room would be a nightmare, same with Talib really.

I think the WR core is being vastly overrated. Goodwin is a great guy and getting better…but dude will drop balls, deep balls. Garçon is declining and definitely will do “numbers” as he is the number one in Shanahan system. He goes for 1200 and 8 tds it will only make me think Robinson would go 1800 for 14. Taylor is what he is…depth is all the same guy.

Trotting out JM at RB is disgusting. Who is getting tough yards for us? We are about to turn into one of those teams? Sort of feel like JM and Breida are the same damn guy too. Breida looked good last year. Would have rather kicked he tires on spray tan for a year while we try to find an actual RB.

I don’t care we missing on Johnson or Butler…way too expensive. I would have liked to spend on Norwell, but I’m praying Nelson is there for us.

I’m just saying, NFL is about opportunity. We have one right now…you waste years of contracts, youth etc forecasting too much money into next seasons. We will become Browns like with their draft strategy of trading…but we have JG so he will mask most of these missteps.

In short, lynch really hasn’t done **** yet . That’s all I’m saying. Basic GM skills and I know he’s just getting his feet wet but that’s life of a GM. IMO, he lucked into the draft day trade and one of our assests is a complete knucklehead that may have a short career. The team is young and has some talent for sure. I don’t want the NE approach because we aren’t them and it’s been proven no one is.

Edit: I shouldn’t say lucked into…but it was a incredibly odd and dumb move by Chicago. That’s not happening a lot.
That's not a fair outlook though.

Lynch is still new to the position but some of that "luck" that people throw around in terms of what happens are due to his relationships with people in the league.

We're not getting Adam Peters without Lynch. We're not getting Jimmy G without Lynch. Some of these deals aren't getting done without Lynch.

You can tell people really respect him and even though he may not be a brilliant GM yet the relationships and the respect he has around the league is helping us in a big way.

At the end of the day outside of Norwell and Allen Robinson who were the free agents that we absolutely had to have? I know I wanted Aaron Colvin but we'll see what direction they go with the secondary.

Their first FA class paid off in a big way and one of the big signings from last year didn't even get a chance to play due to injury in Malcolm Smith.
Their first draft class looked pretty darn good and aside from Foster being a moron has the makings of some really good things moving forward.

Let's give them a chance. Now if there were players out there who were perfect fits for us at huge areas of need and we passed that's another story but I'm not seeing that.
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03-14-2018, 12:30 PM
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Because Robinson is a proven stud and McKinnon has never proven anything?

And Sherman is 30 years old coming off of a ruptured Achilles. Hardly fixing our corner problems even if he comes back to be a solid player.
If Sherman comes back to being even 80% of what he was then our corner problems are most certainly fixed. Between Sherman, Ahkello and Williams it may not force teams to run the ball every down but it won't make things easy for QBs…assuming our passrush doesn't resemble the Patriots in the SB.
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03-14-2018, 12:32 PM
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hmm….Eric Ebron cut by the Lions.

I'm intrigued…
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03-14-2018, 12:34 PM
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Sounds like the Jets fuked us on the McKinnon thing…fukers jacked up the price.
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03-14-2018, 12:39 PM
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Another point about the Mckinnon signing, if Kyle wants McKinnon as his starter who are we to say that's not right? I'm pretty sure Kyle knows what he needs more then any of us.
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Another point about the Mckinnon signing, if Kyle wants McKinnon as his starter who are we to say that's not right? I'm pretty sure Kyle knows what he needs more then any of us.
Because he begged John Lynch for Joe Williams (who Lynch had taken off of his draft board)?
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Because he begged John Lynch for Joe Williams (who Lynch had taken off of his draft board)?
Because they have already said multiple times that they will be working together. Do you not think Lynch asks his head coach, who is considered an offensive genius, who he wants and doesn't want?
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Because they have already said multiple times that they will be working together. Do you not think Lynch asks his head coach, who is considered an offensive genius, who he wants and doesn't want?
My point was not about their relationship, it was about Joe Williams. Guy that traded up for because Shanny loved him so much when Lynch wanted no part of him. And they put him on IR with an ankle injury (aka he’s not good).
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My point was not about their relationship, it was about Joe Williams. Guy that traded up for because Shanny loved him so much when Lynch wanted no part of him. And they put him on IR with an ankle injury (aka he’s not good).
Joe Williams' issue isn't talent. I'll still trust Kyle on the offensive talent front and who he sees as a fit in his scheme. McKinnon has played in the league for 4 years now without off the field concerns so the Joe Williams comparison doesn't fly IMO.

I do hope Kyle learned a valuable lesson with Williams. If you took a guy off your draft board for a reason…ignore the talent and heed the red flags.

Though I'm still hoping Williams gets his chit together and shows up. His reaction to the McKinnon signing didn't look great(even though he's claiming it had nothing to do with that)

It will either light a fire under his ass or completely get him to check out.

Personally I still hope we hit the RB position in the draft and I wouldn't mind us doing it early but doubt that happens now.
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03-14-2018, 01:54 PM
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Again, I’m not trying to be the whining ass fan…but getting JG had much more to do with Shanahan than Lynch, I believe, and what it seems in reading how it went down.

Personal relationships do help, sure. I’m not saying he is a bust. I’m saying he hasn’t done anything spectacular. The team we were trotting out went 0-9 and lost to the damn colts. I know some were close in the beginning, but it’s still 0-9.

Tremendous amount of pressure on JG to compete in the west with this team. We do not have actual star power anywhere…we have some potential in places. Compare us to other teams that made the playoffs last year and which team do we have a better roster (NFC)?

Edit: Can’t do it all in one offseason, but picking up pieces here and there is needed. Who are we looking to extend where we need significant money?

We need a hell of a draft with immediate impact players to make the playoffs.
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Again, I’m not trying to be the whining ass fan…but getting JG had much more to do with Shanahan than Lynch, I believe, and what it seems in reading how it went down.

Personal relationships do help, sure. I’m not saying he is a bust. I’m saying he hasn’t done anything spectacular. The team we were trotting out went 0-9 and lost to the damn colts. I know some were close in the beginning, but it’s still 0-9.

Tremendous amount of pressure on JG to compete in the west with this team. We do not have actual star power anywhere…we have some potential in places. Compare us to other teams that made the playoffs last year and which team do we have a better roster (NFC)?

Edit: Can’t do it all in one offseason, but picking up pieces here and there is needed. Who are we looking to extend where we need significant money?

We need a hell of a draft with immediate impact players to make the playoffs.
That's not as much on the GM though. Especially a GM who has to come into a team that sucked ass for several seasons as the former GM drafted ACL players who never healed properly and a scheme that kept changing so we couldn't get any consistency.

All that roster turnover and bad QB play = chitty results. We had our share of super close games though so the 0-9 record could've easily been 5-4.

Trust me I get the frustration but if you look around the league how many SB winning teams went heavy in free agency?

Only one I can think of is Denver but it was already after they had a record setting offense in place and had good building blocks on defense before going heavy in FA and signing Ware, Talib and Ward that offseason.

Pats have been buying low pretty much their whole dominant run outside of a splash signing here and there.

Eagles were bargain bin shopping last offseason and won the SB with quality depth and lots of home grown talent.
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We have some big expectations for Richburg with that Contract. Hopefully there is some coverage to get out.

I don’t know where I want to go at 9 now. I wanted Nelson badly but sort of want an impact player now…as in, can close out a game. I would definitely be happy with Nelson tho.
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My point was not about their relationship, it was about Joe Williams. Guy that traded up for because Shanny loved him so much when Lynch wanted no part of him. And they put him on IR with an ankle injury (aka he’s not good).
Its a 4th rounder. . . I dont believe calling someone a bust after 1 year but whatever its a 4th rounder… OMG fire everyone!!!!

I swear the hate you guys have over not signing Allen Robinson is unreal. And whats bad is by all accounts we showed interest in him but Chicago didnt let him get away. I dont see how you blame someone for that.
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