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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The paper presents deaths by heart attack (Acute Myocardial Infarction; AMI) during the Omicron period.

"The excess death, defined as the difference between the observed and the predicted mortality rates, was most pronounced for the youngest (25–44 years) aged decedents, ranging from 23% to 34% for the youngest compared to 13%–18% for the oldest age groups. The trend of mortality suggests that age and sex disparities have persisted even through the recent Omicron surge, with excess AMI-associated mortality being most pronounced in younger-aged adults."
What is the difference between those who received the injections and those who didn’t?









Also:

Like I said, baby steps. Keep trying, and maybe one day you’ll be able to understand what the rest of the world realized over two years ago. Some people are just slower than others, that’s all.




Feel free to start by reading through this thread

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180912613
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
What is the difference between those who received the injections and those who didn’t?









Also:

Like I said, baby steps. Keep trying, and maybe one day you’ll be able to understand what the rest of the world realized over two years ago. Some people are just slower than others, that’s all.




Feel free to start by reading through this thread

https://forum.obnoxiousbrutes.com/showt...hp?t=180912613
Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Science doesn’t revoke things, and science doesn’t “learn more”. Science and the scientific method are used by people to gain a better understanding of things. If we find out our previous understanding was flawed we don’t say “science lied to us” or “science learned more”….we say the person who created the earlier flawed view was just wrong. Science is supposed to be objective, but unfortunately these days there are many financial or other motives beyond seeking truth. This causes a system that bastardizes science and then hides behind the word.
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It's always funny when Jesus freaks tell scientists what actual science is.
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Dam page 12 already, were any minds changed and was proof presented 1 way or the other?
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Originally Posted By x-trainer
Dam page 12 already, were any minds changed and was proof presented 1 way or the other?
Evidence of association between previous variants and cardiac events (deaths) was presented.

It does not appear any minds were changed.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Evidence of association between previous variants and cardiac events (deaths) was presented.

It does not appear any minds were changed.
well then......
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
So I was right way before you and you refused to listen to me. Don’t worry, I’m used to it by now…
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The omicron deaths in young people were mostly mild, yeah?
You mean those sickly, young individuals who died "with" the Omicron variant?
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Originally Posted By commiedian⏩
It's always funny when Jesus freaks tell scientists what actual science is.
Actual science says the food pyramid doesn't make sense. Actual science says it never made sense to wear a mask outdoors or in your car.
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
You mean those sickly, young individuals who died "with" the Omicron variant?
I don't see "sickly" as a covariate. Can you clarify where that is in the analysis?
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I don't see "sickly" as a covariate. Can you clarify where that is in the analysis?
80% of those who died "with" COVID were obese, with numerous pre-existing conditions. Hmmmmmmm....... Almost like the government should have encouraged people to lose some weight?
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Originally Posted By Dave22reborn⏩
80% of those who died "with" COVID were obese, with numerous pre-existing conditions. Hmmmmmmm....... Almost like the government should have encouraged people to lose some weight?
I don't see that either, in which section do the authors make that statment?

The paper presents deaths by heart attack (Acute Myocardial Infarction; AMI) during the Omicron period.

"The excess death, defined as the difference between the observed and the predicted mortality rates, was most pronounced for the youngest (25–44 years) aged decedents, ranging from 23% to 34% for the youngest compared to 13%–18% for the oldest age groups. The trend of mortality suggests that age and sex disparities have persisted even through the recent Omicron surge, with excess AMI-associated mortality being most pronounced in younger-aged adults."
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The paper presents deaths by heart attack (Acute Myocardial Infarction; AMI) during the Omicron period.
Is that the only way Covid killed people at the time? Because otherwise posting this is meaningless.

Or are you only cherry-picking this because it backs up your belief that Omicron was as severe as Delta?


EDIT:https://www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj....ation%20status.
The linked retrospective cohort study by Ward and colleagues (doi:10.1136/bmj-2022-070695) takes a further step towards addressing this question. The study reported new evidence that mortality rates were lower for infections with the omicron BA.1 subvariant than for the delta variant of concern,even after controlling for patient demographics, previous infection, and vaccination status.
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
Is that the only way Covid killed people at the time? Because otherwise posting this is meaningless.

Or are you only cherry-picking this because it backs up your belief that Omicron was as severe as Delta?
It looks like AMI wasn't during the acute infection stage.

It seems relevant given the topic in OP.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
It looks like AMI wasn't during the acute infection stage.

It seems relevant given the topic in OP.
Added to my post, British Medical Journal confirming that Omicron was less severe.

Are you going to admit that your previous post was meaningless now?
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
Added to my post, British Medical Journal confirming that Omicron was less severe.

Are you going to admit that your previous post was meaningless now?
He already admitted he was wrong(albeit in a very roundabout way). Which means I(and many other posters here) were correct and tried to explain to him why he was wrong, yet he refused to listen for a very long time. But that’s ok, it just takes some people a lot longer to understand things.



As far as the other study he insists on referencing…again, it does absolutely nothing to differentiate between those who received the injection and those who didn’t. It’s quite possible that getting the injection then getting Covid was much more likely to result in having heart problems than simply getting Covid. But again, unfortunately, they didn’t look into that aspect. But some people have a narrative to push so that makes sense. Similar to the narrative of screaming that omicron was just as severe as delta.
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Originally Posted By TheJimmyRustler⏩
Added to my post, British Medical Journal confirming that Omicron was less severe.

Are you going to admit that your previous post was meaningless now?
The post form 2 years ago at the start of omicron based on the data available at the time?

Yes, in retrospect it appears acute omicron infections were generally less severe then acute Delta infections.

Weird flex, but okay.

I find it interesting how negative post-acute effects shifted to younger people.

I also find it interesting that nobody wants to discuss the current study
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The post form 2 years ago at the start of omicron based on the data available at the time?

Yes, in retrospect it appears acute omicron infections were generally less severe then acute Delta infections.

Weird flex, but okay.

I find it interesting how negative post-acute effects shifted to younger people.

I also find it interesting that nobody wants to discuss the current study
Yes, the negative effects of the much weaker variant shifted to younger people(who also just so happen to be the group at a higher risk of those types of negative effects from the injections). Meanwhile, the study for some reason decided to not look into any type of connection between injection and negative outcomes.



Maybe two years from now you’ll realize we were right again, but I guess until then we’ll just have to wait.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Yes, the negative effects of the much weaker variant shifted to younger people(who also just so happen to be the group at a higher risk of those types of negative effects from the injections). Meanwhile, the study for some reason decided to not look into any type of connection between injection and negative outcomes.



Maybe two years from now you’ll realize we were right again, but I guess until then we’ll just have to wait.
I get why you and other GBD/let it rippers don't like these results.
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Infected vs uninfected, yeah? Do you think vaccination status would be imbalanced across groups? If so, in which direction? Do you feel the model didn't account for possible imbalance?
Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
The data set is available and doesn't have that information ( CDC Wonder). But, I understand why you wouldn't want to discuss this paper, even though they used an unsupervised approach
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
He already admitted he was wrong(albeit in a very roundabout way). Which means I(and many other posters here) were correct and tried to explain to him why he was wrong, yet he refused to listen for a very long time. But that’s ok, it just takes some people a lot longer to understand things.



As far as the other study he insists on referencing…again, it does absolutely nothing to differentiate between those who received the injection and those who didn’t. It’s quite possible that getting the injection then getting Covid was much more likely to result in having heart problems than simply getting Covid. But again, unfortunately, they didn’t look into that aspect. But some people have a narrative to push so that makes sense. Similar to the narrative of screaming that omicron was just as severe as delta.
I like how you try to bland me for a study (on which I'm not an author) from two years ago. All it concluded was that at the time (beginning) severity looked similar.

I assume you didn't read that one, either

Just lol.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
I like how you try to bland me for a study (on which I'm not an author) from two years ago. All it concluded was that at the time (beginning) severity looked similar.

I assume you didn't read that one, either

Just lol.
I read it and immediately pointed out that it was horsesh!t. You disagreed for a very long time, but like I said, that’s ok…some people just take longer to understand things than others.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
I read it and immediately pointed out that it was horsesh!t. You disagreed for a very long time, but like I said, that’s ok…some people just take longer to understand things than others.
Saying you don't like something isn't much of a criticism tho. I disagree(d) with your approach to review.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Saying you don't like something isn't much of a criticism tho. I disagree(d) with your approach to review.
Except there was more to it than that. It was pointed out that:

A.) based on historical trends it’s almost a certainty that omicron would be less severe than delta

B.) there was a clear motive for some people to lie about the severity of omicron, and those people had already been shown to lie multiple times throughout the pandemic

C.) there was other data which contradicted what you shared(and believed) that seemed more reliable, and turned out to actually be more reliable


And while it appears that you are still unable to understand and follow the thought process which arrived at the correct conclusion, I’m not going to focus on that. I’m going to be positive and just appreciate the fact that you now understand you were wrong and we were correct.
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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Except there was more to it than that. It was pointed out that:

A.) based on historical trends it’s almost a certainty that omicron would be less severe than delta

B.) there was a clear motive for some people to lie about the severity of omicron, and those people had already been shown to lie multiple times throughout the pandemic

C.) there was other data which contradicted what you shared(and believed) that seemed more reliable, and turned out to actually be more reliable


And while it appears that you are still unable to understand and follow the thought process which arrived at the correct conclusion, I’m not going to focus on that. I’m going to be positive and just appreciate the fact that you now understand you were wrong and we were correct.
Yet none of those are issue with the study design, methods, analysis, or alignment with conclusions.

It's just a nope, I don't like it.

Like I said, what I disagree with is your approach to review.

Like suggesting regression isn't a valid technique.

It's not typically the study that gets critiqued around here. It's the made up stories and positions assigned to people who lost studies narrative supporters don't like that become the focus of discuss.

Unending attempts to turn discussions to focus on discussants rather than the topic.

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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Except there was more to it than that. It was pointed out that:

A.) based on historical trends it’s almost a certainty that omicron would be less severe than delta

B.) there was a clear motive for some people to lie about the severity of omicron, and those people had already been shown to lie multiple times throughout the pandemic

C.) there was other data which contradicted what you shared(and believed) that seemed more reliable, and turned out to actually be more reliable


And while it appears that you are still unable to understand and follow the thought process which arrived at the correct conclusion, I’m not going to focus on that. I’m going to be positive and just appreciate the fact that you now understand you were wrong and we were correct.
Depends on what you mean by less severe. If you mean infection virulence, which incorporates reduced severity due to acquired immunity then yes there was reason to believe Omicron would be less severe. If you mean an evolutionary (genetic) reduction in virulence, then no, there is no broad observational or theoretical reason to believe Omicron would be less severe.

Predicting evolutionary shifts in virulence is notoriously complex. It’s important to remember the inconvenient fact that VOCs had been evolving higher, not lower, virulence up until Omicron. I do agree Omicron is inherently less virulent than Delta and probably Alpha/Beta, but it’s probably in the same ballpark as the ancestral virus. More importantly though is the fact the the disease burden in a population is a product of virulence and transmissibility. In the US, Omicron had a higher mortality rate than Delta.
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Originally Posted By J.L.C.⏩
Yet none of those are issue with the study design, methods, analysis, or alignment with conclusions.

It's just a nope, I don't like it.

Like I said, what I disagree with is your approach to review.

Like suggesting regression isn't a valid technique.

It's not typically the study that gets critiqued around here. It's the made up stories and positions assigned to people who lost studies narrative supporters don't like that become the focus of discuss.

Unending attempts to turn discussions to focus on discussants rather than the topic.

Again, even though you don’t like the approach, it’s still way more than “nope I don’t like it”. You are unable to understand the reasoning and logic, but at least you now realize it arrived at the correct conclusion.


As far as studies, people have pointed out lots of flaws in things you’ve shared. For example, I immediately pointed out that a study you posted was just based on an internet survey with zero validation. Yet you used it to conclude that over 20% of people who get Covid suffer from symptoms two years later. Do you still believe that, or do you now realize that we were correct to call that horsesh!t as well.



See, there can be different ways to get to an accurate view of the world. A view that realizes omicron isn’t as severe as delta and that there’s no way over 1/5 of people who get Covid suffer from symptoms for over two years. Somehow you are very consistently on the wrong side. It makes one wonder if you are just that bad at analyzing the world, or if you’re just pushing a narrative.
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should I plan for my death soon? Srs

Like is there any hope for me
Or should I just call a morgue?
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Originally Posted By latverian41⏩
I'd give even odds it's the Vax that is going to do that and those clowns are saying. New covid variant will be the cause

Lol how.many different variants are there going to be?
Lmaoooo


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Originally Posted By jtaylor2010⏩
Again, even though you don’t like the approach, it’s still way more than “nope I don’t like it”. You are unable to understand the reasoning and logic, but at least you now realize it arrived at the correct conclusion.


As far as studies, people have pointed out lots of flaws in things you’ve shared. For example, I immediately pointed out that a study you posted was just based on an internet survey with zero validation. Yet you used it to conclude that over 20% of people who get Covid suffer from symptoms two years later. Do you still believe that, or do you now realize that we were correct to call that horsesh!t as well.
See, there can be different ways to get to an accurate view of the world. A view that realizes omicron isn’t as severe as delta and that there’s no way over 1/5 of people who get Covid suffer from symptoms for over two years. Somehow you are very consistently on the wrong side. It makes one wonder if you are just that bad at analyzing the world, or if you’re just pushing a narrative.
Some consider reading a substack created to confirm their biases as a good way to get an accurate view of the world.

I can see the appeal
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I've been blasting test, anavar and clen at various times over the last 12 months and no vaxxes or boosters were ever taken

Regular screenings have revealed, due to using the proper ancillary compounds, that my heart is in almost perfect working order

LMFAO at loading up on sterons and having better heart function than those who followed the advice, trusted the science and rekt themselves with experimental gene therapy jabs
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