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07-18-2023, 08:16 PM
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What makes that kit an SBR is a barrel under 16" long and a pistol brace which the AFT has decided to change a law regarding and declare pistol braces are now legally stocks so it's not a braced pistol any more, it's an SBR. Gotta be kind of living under a rock to not have an idea on those shenanigans at this point lol

Not that SBR's should be regulated more than a regular title 1 firearm to begin with (not that regular title 1 firearms should be as regulated as they are, either), but, we've all known the braced pistol thing was really just an end-around the SBR law anyway.

Again, not that the SBR restrictions should exist, because they shouldn't. But, they do.
I knew something was going on regarding those braces. Honestly I don’t care for short ARs anyway so didn’t pay much attention.

So it’s the brace that makes it SBR? So if that kit had a normal stock it would be perfectly legal with no stamp? That’s hilarious and the dumbest thing I have heard.
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07-18-2023, 08:49 PM
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07-18-2023, 09:04 PM
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What makes that kit an SBR is a barrel under 16" long and a pistol brace which the AFT has decided to change a law regarding and declare pistol braces are now legally stocks so it's not a braced pistol any more, it's an SBR. Gotta be kind of living under a rock to not have an idea on those shenanigans at this point lol

Not that SBR's should be regulated more than a regular title 1 firearm to begin with (not that regular title 1 firearms should be as regulated as they are, either), but, we've all known the braced pistol thing was really just an end-around the SBR law anyway.

Again, not that the SBR restrictions should exist, because they shouldn't. But, they do.
It's pretty wild when an enforcement agency with no judicial powers can either interpret laws as they see fit or create amendments out of thin air and turn a piece of plastic and make millions of people into criminals
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07-19-2023, 04:20 AM
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It's pretty wild when an enforcement agency with no judicial powers can either interpret laws as they see fit or create amendments out of thin air and turn a piece of plastic and make millions of people into criminals
that is if you listen to said non judicial power abc agency with make believe authority.
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07-19-2023, 05:10 AM
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07-19-2023, 08:03 AM
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Honestly I don’t care for short ARs anyway so didn’t pay much attention.

Why don't you care for them?
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07-19-2023, 08:20 AM
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I knew something was going on regarding those braces. Honestly I don’t care for short ARs anyway so didn’t pay much attention.

So it’s the brace that makes it SBR? So if that kit had a normal stock it would be perfectly legal with no stamp? That’s hilarious and the dumbest thing I have heard.
Having a barrel under 16" is the biggest thing that makes it an SBR. Previously those braces let them be considered pistols legally, but now they are basically considered the same as a stock (because they are basically the same thing as a stock). A barrel under 16" and a shoulder stock has been considered an SBR since the NFA passed in the 30's
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07-19-2023, 08:39 AM
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Why don't you care for them?
I know they are great for home protection, doomsday, every day range fun, etc. I have a couple handguns and shotguns set up for HD. For rifles I like to shoot longer distances and prefer a longer barrel. Too bad they didn't grandfather anyone in. If that was the case I would be pissed I didn't have a pistol AR.

Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Having a barrel under 16" is the biggest thing that makes it an SBR. Previously those braces let them be considered pistols legally, but now they are basically considered the same as a stock (because they are basically the same thing as a stock). A barrel under 16" and a shoulder stock has been considered an SBR since the NFA passed in the 30's
Thanks, I did a bunch of googling last night and figured this out. That's inane that all AR pistols are now illegal and classified as SBR's. So for people who do not want a stamp and want to keep their gun, do they just remove that brace and go naked back there? That is technically legal then right? I can't believe I didn't follow this more closely. I assumed worst case the braces would be illegal but that would be it. I didn't realize the larger ramifications from this.

It all makes sense. When I posted that link I was like, dam those are cheap right now. I get it now.

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07-19-2023, 10:17 AM
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I know they are great for home protection, doomsday, every day range fun, etc. I have a couple handguns and shotguns set up for HD. For rifles I like to shoot longer distances and prefer a longer barrel. Too bad they didn't grandfather anyone in. If that was the case I would be pissed I didn't have a pistol AR.
For me it's 20" or 11.5" or shorter.

16" is kinda like the "look I'm NFA compliant" length that also really doesn't do anything very well. Not that it's a poor choice just kinda meh
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07-19-2023, 10:44 AM
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For me it's 20" or 11.5" or shorter.

16" is kinda like the "look I'm NFA compliant" length that also really doesn't do anything very well. Not that it's a poor choice just kinda meh
For sure, I prefer longer than 16". I'm guessing I bought this PSA kit after a few beers and got a screaming deal. Maybe down the road I would have got a shorter barrel but not after that ruling. Maybe in a couple years they reverse this BS.

I will say I have always kind of wanted a short barrel with a can. I hate paperwork though. Now add on that $200 stamp and then the can $$$. No thanks Jeff

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07-19-2023, 12:17 PM
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For me it's 20" or 11.5" or shorter.

16" is kinda like the "look I'm NFA compliant" length that also really doesn't do anything very well. Not that it's a poor choice just kinda meh
Pinned and welded 13.7-14.5" to make it technically legally 16" is better. I quite like my pinned ADM 13.9" rifle
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07-19-2023, 12:30 PM
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For people who have a AR pistol, do not want to get the stamp and want to keep it legal. Can't they just put a foam wrapper buffer tube one that does not allow a stock or brace to be installed? Maybe I'm missing something.

Something like this https://a1armory.com/ar-15-parts/ar-...ith-foam-wrap/

Or are those gay and people hate them?

I'm just trying to fully understand what's legal and not. I see some deals on short barrel AR kits, maybe I do want one now Granted its legal and no stamp required.
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07-19-2023, 01:21 PM
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Pinned and welded 13.7-14.5" to make it technically legally 16" is better. I quite like my pinned ADM 13.9" rifle
whats the deal with that though…..If you want to run a suppressor you need to ditch that setup to buy/put on a new threaded barrel to accept screwing on a can. And then the new barrel would need to be 16" to be legal plus the added length of the can.

Or I guess you could swap out for a pinned QD suppressor mount (unless it was also welded on)…but still would need to be 16" before adding the can.
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07-19-2023, 01:23 PM
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For people who have a AR pistol, do not want to get the stamp and want to keep it legal. Can't they just put a foam wrapper buffer tube one that does not allow a stock or brace to be installed? Maybe I'm missing something.

Something like this https://a1armory.com/ar-15-parts/ar-...ith-foam-wrap/

Or are those gay and people hate them?

I'm just trying to fully understand what's legal and not. I see some deals on short barrel AR kits, maybe I do want one now Granted its legal and no stamp required.
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07-19-2023, 01:27 PM
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we (and the AFT) are on to you.
LOL, I'm curious how all this BS works, Srs

No one can answer my initial question on assembling my kit and what tools needed. They went off on this tangent so be it.
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07-19-2023, 03:51 PM
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LOL, I'm curious how all this BS works, Srs

No one can answer my initial question on assembling my kit and what tools needed. They went off on this tangent so be it.
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07-19-2023, 04:01 PM
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whats the deal with that though…..If you want to run a suppressor you need to ditch that setup to buy/put on a new threaded barrel to accept screwing on a can. And then the new barrel would need to be 16" to be legal plus the added length of the can.

Or I guess you could swap out for a pinned QD suppressor mount (unless it was also welded on)…but still would need to be 16" before adding the can.
Pin and weld a muzzle device that accepts a suppressor.

My 13.9 has a surefire socom compatible muzzle device and readily accepts my surefire 556 mini-2 suppressor.

The initial question is to YouTube it and buy the tools they use in the videos (srs)

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07-19-2023, 04:08 PM
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Reps, why didn’t I think of that, JK. I have been but hoping someone here had some insight.

I guess not though
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For people who have a AR pistol, do not want to get the stamp and want to keep it legal. Can't they just put a foam wrapper buffer tube one that does not allow a stock or brace to be installed? Maybe I'm missing something.

Something like this https://a1armory.com/ar-15-parts/ar-...ith-foam-wrap/

Or are those gay and people hate them?

I'm just trying to fully understand what's legal and not. I see some deals on short barrel AR kits, maybe I do want one now Granted its legal and no stamp required.
Second to last one. Not the answer you want, but they suck. 13.7 or 13.9 with a pinned and welded md >>>>>>>>
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07-19-2023, 04:15 PM
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Reps, why didn’t I think of that, JK. I have been but hoping someone here had some insight.

I guess not though
I have, but it's a lot to list if we're talking every single tool you might need.

The only special tool I can think of is a castle nut wrench.


Here is a decent how-to with a tool list.


https://www.pewpewtactical.com/build...receiver/#toc1
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07-19-2023, 06:45 PM
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Anyone have any experience with the g43x/48 and the Shield Arms Mags? May drunk buy, lol.
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07-20-2023, 03:53 AM
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I have one shield mag and it has jammed multiple times in my 43x.
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I have one shield mag and it has jammed multiple times in my 43x.
That's what YouTube told me. Damn shame, thanks.


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I have one shield mag and it has jammed multiple times in my 43x.
Two ways to make a Glock malfunction

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For those who got their pistols stippled and undercut. How does it work? You find a company and ship them the frame?
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For those who got their pistols stippled and undercut. How does it work? You find a company and ship them the frame?
Seems crazy to FFL transfer it both ways

Stippling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd8mHw-k1wE

Undercut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzqhJf3l10
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Seems crazy to FFL transfer it both ways

Stippling https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sd8mHw-k1wE

Undercut https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JzqhJf3l10
That’s what I never understood since that’s what had the serial on it , if that was part of the process.
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That’s what I never understood since that’s what had the serial on it , if that was part of the process.
For handguns, There are rare exceptions but the frame is considered the gun in terms of shipping and FFL
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