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09-08-2023, 02:00 PM
#4051
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
Never had problems with Federal Lake City
Damn, I been using WWB in my .45s forever and it’s always been good ammo. Most of the Lake City was prewinchester.
But, even though I swore off winchester years ago, I've had more problems with them than everything else combined. BY a factor of like 10. .22lr, 9mm, .45, .357 Sig, Ranger Talon, Ranger Bonded, all of it. Legit ass 50 round boxes of WWB .357 Sig where like 8/50 were noticeably over COAL and I sent pics and lot # and purchase location info and mic measurements to them and never heard a fuking word.
Failed QC rounds of Ranger Talon ammo, brass deformaties that resulted in feeding failures or recessed primer unreachable by firing pin…nearly squib load from a .40 180gr FMJ that literally hit the target 2 feet low and like 7 yards and didn't move the slide…and they, do, not, care. Contacted them multiple times never heard anything.
Their ammo sucks they know it they don't care
I used to buy the WWB 9mm vaule packs for like $9/100 at walmart, back in the day, but IIRC they moved that manufacturing to a newer cheaper location some time ago and that is when that specific product went down the drain
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09-08-2023, 02:00 PM
#4052
Federal group is the best manufacturers imo.
They make sooo much quality, cutting edge ammo.
Certainly one of the best in the world.
Is there a better carry load than HST after all these years? Of any caliber?
I don't think so. Not by much anyway.
They make sooo much quality, cutting edge ammo.
Certainly one of the best in the world.
Is there a better carry load than HST after all these years? Of any caliber?
I don't think so. Not by much anyway.
09-08-2023, 02:02 PM
#4053
Yeah, I shot like 20-30k of Federal Lake City and it’s phenomenal.
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
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09-08-2023, 02:15 PM
#4054
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
IMI
Yeah, I shot like 20-30k of Federal Lake City and it’s phenomenal.
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
PMC X-TAC
Not sure M855 is a good one to stock up on but it's okay I guess
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09-08-2023, 02:26 PM
#4055
Originally Posted By RThoe⏩
Nice…same mount I picked. Looking thick, solid, tight.
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I use the SBR mounts on both my 11.5 and 14.5. Zero issues with them. Went with them to push the lights a bit further forward to avoid excess can shadow.
I use the SBR mounts on both my 11.5 and 14.5. Zero issues with them. Went with them to push the lights a bit further forward to avoid excess can shadow.
Any advantage of this one over the “inline”? I couldn’t tell any other than this may be a little beefier and less prone to bending (it mentions the in-line could if any portion sticks beyond the rail…like in your setup)
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09-08-2023, 02:27 PM
#4056
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
American Eagle
Yeah, I shot like 20-30k of Federal Lake City and it’s phenomenal.
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
09-08-2023, 02:32 PM
#4057
Originally Posted By Brozef⏩
Still wear their jeans…
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09-08-2023, 02:44 PM
#4058
Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
tfw the only time you view RgrJNC's posts is when you neg him.
09-08-2023, 02:54 PM
#4059
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
M855 is an awful spec, get m193 for bulk
Yeah, I shot like 20-30k of Federal Lake City and it’s phenomenal.
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
What do you guys recommend to stock up on for M855?
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09-08-2023, 03:25 PM
#4060
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09-08-2023, 04:03 PM
#4061
Question about the CA gun roster
When I was doing my research I thought I saw that no new guns had been added to the roster since the roster was first drafted.
Then I saw some website saying there is some new gun added to the roster recently.
Where they always adding guns to the roster or is this a new thing since that Court Verdict a few months ago?
When I was doing my research I thought I saw that no new guns had been added to the roster since the roster was first drafted.
Then I saw some website saying there is some new gun added to the roster recently.
Where they always adding guns to the roster or is this a new thing since that Court Verdict a few months ago?
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09-08-2023, 04:05 PM
#4062
Originally Posted By Bigbuster1⏩
No, they weren't. Until recently it had been, I don't know, a decade or two or something retarded, since any gun was added.
Question about the CA gun roster
When I was doing my research I thought I saw that no new guns had been added to the roster since the roster was first drafted.
Then I saw some website saying there is some new gun added to the roster recently.
Where they always adding guns to the roster or is this a new thing since that Court Verdict a few months ago?
When I was doing my research I thought I saw that no new guns had been added to the roster since the roster was first drafted.
Then I saw some website saying there is some new gun added to the roster recently.
Where they always adding guns to the roster or is this a new thing since that Court Verdict a few months ago?
Then they added a POS gun.
Move out of CA
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09-08-2023, 04:05 PM
#4063
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Nah, BDC is set for M855 and even if M193 and MK262 is vastly superior on soft tissue, penetration is important. M855 is also mediocre for accuracy too. M193 is my bulk plinking ammo.
M855 is an awful spec, get m193 for bulk
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09-08-2023, 04:06 PM
#4064
Originally Posted By NuggzTheNinja⏩
Based
tfw the only time you view RgrJNC's posts is when you neg him.
Originally Posted By Horse86⏩
I use the SBR mounts on both my 11.5 and 14.5. Zero issues with them. Went with them to push the lights a bit further forward to avoid excess can shadow.
In other news. My Labor Day REIN 3 steal will be delivered today. I got the torrent SBR mount for it but if I get the Benelli M4…I’ll have to rethink mounts.
Anyone use the Cloud Defensive torrent SBR Mount and like it? I didn’t really get the difference between that and “in-line” mount other than the SBR mount has a bit of a “twist” in it.
Anyone use the Cloud Defensive torrent SBR Mount and like it? I didn’t really get the difference between that and “in-line” mount other than the SBR mount has a bit of a “twist” in it.
Originally Posted By Horse86⏩
The Inline must be mounted flush with the rail and not extend beyond it. The SBR one can extend beyond (see my pic). That's the only difference I could tell. I wanted the mount to be further forward and went with the SBR for both rifles because of that.
Nice…same mount I picked. Looking thick, solid, tight.
Any advantage of this one over the “inline”? I couldn’t tell any other than this may be a little beefier and less prone to bending (it mentions the in-line could if any portion sticks beyond the rail…like in your setup)
Any advantage of this one over the “inline”? I couldn’t tell any other than this may be a little beefier and less prone to bending (it mentions the in-line could if any portion sticks beyond the rail…like in your setup)
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09-08-2023, 04:08 PM
#4065
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
What kind of penetration are you expecting to matter, and get, from M855? In what context do you expect M855 to perform better than a BHTP/SMK, or a bonded LE/hunting round like Federal Fusion or even an mk318 type?
Nah, BDC is set for M855 and even if M193 and MK262 is vastly superior on soft tissue, penetration is important. M855 is also mediocre for accuracy too. M193 is my bulk plinking ammo.
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09-08-2023, 04:13 PM
#4066
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
Much more than M193. I notice wind on M193 at 300 way more than M855 too.
What kind of penetration are you expecting to matter, and get, from M855? In what context do you expect M855 to perform better than a BHTP/SMK, or a bonded LE/hunting round like Federal Fusion or even an mk318 type?
I’m looking for bulk moderately priced ammo. How much is MK318 and where is it available? I’ve never really seen it anywhere.
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09-08-2023, 04:22 PM
#4067
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
BC is better on M855, but not significantly. They're both poor for wind deflection.
Much more than M193. I notice wind on M193 at 300 way more than M855 too.
I’m looking for bulk moderately priced ammo. How much is MK318 and where is it available? I’ve never really seen it anywhere.
I’m looking for bulk moderately priced ammo. How much is MK318 and where is it available? I’ve never really seen it anywhere.
The only advantage M855 has on M193 is going through a STEEL helmet out to 400 yds. M193 is better in soft tissue, it's not really close.
BDCs are AIDS, learn mils.
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09-08-2023, 04:27 PM
#4068
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
I’m just saying for an emergency round to stock up on, penetration matters.
BC is better on M855, but not significantly. They're both poor for wind deflection.
The only advantage M855 has on M193 is going through a STEEL helmet out to 400 yds. M193 is better in soft tissue, it's not really close.
BDCs are AIDS, learn mils.
The only advantage M855 has on M193 is going through a STEEL helmet out to 400 yds. M193 is better in soft tissue, it's not really close.
BDCs are AIDS, learn mils.
I know M193 chits on it otherwise.
Who sells MK318, I want to see how overpriced this chit is
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09-08-2023, 04:34 PM
#4069
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
Why does penetration through steel matter on a stock up round? Why would you prioritize that over soft tissue performance?
I’m just saying for an emergency round to stock up on, penetration matters.
I know M193 chits on it otherwise.
Who sells MK318, I want to see how overpriced this chit is
I know M193 chits on it otherwise.
Who sells MK318, I want to see how overpriced this chit is
mk318 has always been low supply and overpriced for what it is, though it's better than the cheap 193/855 for sure.
The most likely place to find it is US Armorment.
The widely accepted stock up round of choice is either M193 if price is that strong of a driver, or IMI Razorcore 77gr SMK. Or Prvi Partizan/PPU .223 75gr BTHP Match.
I realize the reality is that the terminal performance of these is virtually guaranteed to never matter to any of us, because they'll never be used in that capacity. Or if they are, the fact that it's a rifle round means it will do the job, regardless of which one it is. Or, if we use it, and the difference matters, it's going to be that premium stuff in the first mag that's kept in the gun or the first handful of mags kept in the gun + PC/chest rig…not the stuff sitting in the safe or closet.
I just can't see planning to use M855 for, well, anything really, with M193 being basically the same price, or the performance improvement of Federal Fusion or one of the many BTHP/SMK type options
Federal Fusion
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09-08-2023, 04:42 PM
#4070
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
It doesn't, and if it did, you wouldn't get what you'd need from 855. It's not armor piercing.
I’m just saying for an emergency round to stock up on,
penetration matters.
I know M193 chits on it otherwise.
Who sells MK318, I want to see how overpriced this chit is
I know M193 chits on it otherwise.
Who sells MK318, I want to see how overpriced this chit is
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09-08-2023, 04:42 PM
#4071
Looks like MK318 is cheaper than BH262
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09-08-2023, 04:43 PM
#4072
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Notsureifsrs
It doesn't, and if it did, you wouldn't get what you'd need from 855. It's not armor piercing.
You ever see what happens to M193 when you have to shoot through something?
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09-08-2023, 04:46 PM
#4073
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
What might you have to shoot through that wouldn't be done better with a bonded round like Fusion, 223T3, TBBC, Gold Dot, etc?
Notsureifsrs
You ever see what happens to M193 when you have to shoot through something?
You ever see what happens to M193 when you have to shoot through something?
Older post but I don't think anything has changed
https://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-4344.html
There is a lot there, read it all, but going on the "through something" aspect, and what's realistically justifiable and plausible (auto glass)
"Contrary to what many believe, M193 & M855 FMJ are not very good against glass; the best military 5.56 mm load against glass is 52 gr M995 AP, followed by the 62 gr Mk318 Mod0 OTM and 70 gr Optimal "brown tip" OTM."
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09-08-2023, 04:49 PM
#4074
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
How much are all of those per round?
What might you have to shoot through that wouldn't be done better with a bonded round like Fusion, 223T3, TBBC, Gold Dot, etc?
Older post but I don't think anything has changed
https://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-4344.html
Older post but I don't think anything has changed
https://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-4344.html
We’re all on the same page, I acknowledge the M855 mediocrity but I value the versatility vs value.
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09-08-2023, 04:51 PM
#4075
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
If I'm stocking up for that application I'm buying the fed fusion because it's a bonded bullet. M855 does not do well going through obstacles either.
Notsureifsrs
You ever see what happens to M193 when you have to shoot through something?
You ever see what happens to M193 when you have to shoot through something?
Yes, I've seen what happens to m193 and m855 is shot through light barriers.
Any barriers that M855 will go through that M193 won't are barriers you don't want it to.
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09-08-2023, 04:52 PM
#4076
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Link to fed fusion.
If I'm stocking up for that application I'm buying the fed fusion because it's a bonded bullet. M855 does not do well going through obstacles either.
Yes, I've seen what happens to m193 and m855 is shot through light barriers.
Any barriers that M855 will go through that M193 won't are barriers you don't want it to.
Yes, I've seen what happens to m193 and m855 is shot through light barriers.
Any barriers that M855 will go through that M193 won't are barriers you don't want it to.
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09-08-2023, 05:01 PM
#4077
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
https://www.federalpremium.com/rifle...1-F223FS1.html
Link to fed fusion.
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09-08-2023, 05:03 PM
#4078
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...r1-p-4278.aspx
Link to fed fusion.
$25.75/20 with free shipping with membership not sure without
Once upon a time PSA (okay to buy stuff from them as long as they didn't make it) had this for $10/20.
…those were the days
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09-08-2023, 05:12 PM
#4079
Originally Posted By Ikeman83⏩
Ty ill look into it
Originally Posted By Farley1324⏩
I have membership. Pretty pricey still.
https://www.targetsportsusa.com/fede...r1-p-4278.aspx
$25.75/20 with free shipping with membership not sure without
Once upon a time PSA (okay to buy stuff from them as long as they didn't make it) had this for $10/20.
…those were the days
$25.75/20 with free shipping with membership not sure without
Once upon a time PSA (okay to buy stuff from them as long as they didn't make it) had this for $10/20.
…those were the days
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09-08-2023, 05:42 PM
#4080
Originally Posted By cobhc⏩
Have a realistic understanding of why you need ammo.
Ty ill look into it
I have membership. Pretty pricey still.
I have membership. Pretty pricey still.
"Stocking up" isn't preparing you for unresupplied perpetual firefights.
It's creating a buffer between you and your dependence on commercial ammo availability to keep shooting.
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